Hillary's Head Start

Posted November 19, 2007 | 01:00 PM (EST)



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While spending a sabbatical year at Harvard, conducting research for a book on Theodore Roosevelt and his times, I have been reading with both interest and amusement the columns and speeches attacking Hillary Clinton for the enemies she has generated during her career and for her supposed inability, therefore, to bring the country together for high purposes.

One wonders, reading such pronouncements, which great presidents the authors have in mind. Are they thinking of Jefferson, who was hated and denounced so fiercely for his radical views; or of Lincoln; or of Theodore Roosevelt; or of Franklin Roosevelt; or of Truman; or of JFK; or of Ronald Reagan? One might, rather, argue, that a common theme of these presidents and other great leaders was that they had so many enemies, so many outspoken foes, often legions of them long before they were nominated or elected; and if polls were available, perhaps opponents numbering close to half the country at the time. Yet all were able to mobilize the country for important goals, to bring troops to their own side, and to vanquish some important foes.

To many people, today's debate seems unhealthy because it is so intense and even vicious and partisan. While it would be nice to live in calmer, more congenial times, partisanship and debate are the hallmark of our democracy. There were times when the nation explored non-partisanship, but the concept was discarded at the national level, partly because it tended to favor certain inside groups, certain entrenched interests. One can call for honest debate; one can hope that leaders, once elected, will avoid partisan uses of the government and attendant mismanagement of public assets; and one can hope that leaders will reach across the partisan divide for allies and appointees and that they will make decisions based on what they deem the nation's interest and not on hopes for partisan gain. But those who read biographies or histories that bring to life the worlds of Jefferson, Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, John F. Kennedy, or Ronald Reagan may well wonder just which great leaders came to office -- or remained there -- without a huge number of bitter and, sadly, even hate-filled detractors.

While there are polarizing figures who should never be allowed to reach high office (David Duke comes to mind, for example), the Democratic Party should not shy away from leaders whom the right-wing loves to hate. For one can be certain that whoever becomes the party's nominee will quickly find that s/he, like Al Gore and John Kerry, has become a figure of derision and demonization. Hillary Clinton simply has a head start.

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- dsigeorge See Profile I'm a Fan of dsigeorge permalink

Gag! To attempt to equate the dishonest, divisive and pandering Hillary with Lincoln, Jefferson, The Roosevelts, etc. is disgusting. She would not know leadership if it hit her in the face. She is nothing more than a puppet for the group with the biggest bucks, which does not make for leadership.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 11/21/2007
- MPeter See Profile I'm a Fan of MPeter permalink

Clinton Library Sells Secret Donor List
Avni Patel and Marcus Baram Report:
Three years after the William J. Clinton Presidential Library opened its doors, the list of donors who helped the former president build his $165 million complex remains a secret from the public.
Yet the Blotter on ABCNews.com has learned that the Clinton Foundation sold portions of the list through a data company headed by a longtime friend and donor.
"The fact that they've sold the list and then turned around and said that these names must be kept anonymous completely undercuts their argument," said Sheila Krumholz of the Center for Responsive Politics, a Washington, D.C.-based government watchdog group that tracks the influence of money in politics.
An employee of Walter Karl, a subsidiary of the data company InfoUSA, told ABCNews.com that the company made a list of more than 38,000 donors to the Clinton presidential library available for sale to foundations and other nonprofit groups from June 2006 to May 2007. A spokesman for the company would not say how the profits from the sale of the partial list were distributed

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 11/20/2007
- xcrunner77 See Profile I'm a Fan of xcrunner77 permalink

I hear you saying that being hated is okay because a few other big names in history were hated. Leaving that point aside, did any of the people you mentioned have so many enemies *before* they took office?

One expects that a leader will have a certain amount of enemies. No great leader is loved by everybody. President Obama may even get to that point by the end of his two terms. But to start out in office with so much arrayed against you seems foolish, especially when *all* the other Dem candidates have so much less against them.

Anybody but Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 11/20/2007
- janmB See Profile I'm a Fan of janmB permalink

The debates say very little about the candidate's background. I find them BORING. I like the one-on-one interviews where you see their personalities emerge. The subjects surfed are more interesting because they are discussed without hurried responses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 11/20/2007
- clunger See Profile I'm a Fan of clunger permalink

What a great article. I agree with everything said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 11/20/2007
- wrabbitt See Profile I'm a Fan of wrabbitt permalink

hillary needs a head start. she is going to get caught up in the truth tidal wave....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 11/20/2007
- Ubertext See Profile I'm a Fan of Ubertext permalink

Kucinich has the positions on issues that are mirrored on this site, and he is the best candidate the Dems have on every issue of importance. The man is electable if you vote for him, he is for Universal helath Care, out of Iraq immediately and introduced articles of impeachment against Cheney on the House floor. The last time I looked, these are OUR issues too.
With th dollar south of Canada's i think we have to realize we need to support this country, not contractors in Iraq or the wealthy 1%
www.dennis4president.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 11/20/2007
- bleek See Profile I'm a Fan of bleek permalink

Oh, yeah, great, we should elect Hillary because some of our great presidents were hated as she is? What rubbish.

None of those great presidents that you mentioned sold pardons on the open market. Hillary did.

None of these great presidents ever threatened everyday Americans with imprisonment if they would not let that president take control of their individual destiny. Hillary did (her 90's health plan).

None of those great presidents that you mentioned were owned by AIPAC. Hillary is.

Those obvious things being said, she is incapable of being elected POTUS. Thereby her true purpose is to extend the neocon grip on power by -against all odds- handing the next election to the GOP. Wake up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 11/20/2007
- shelleybear See Profile I'm a Fan of shelleybear permalink

Am I Missing Something?
Seriously.
No attacks or insults.
But it seems to me that Hilary Clinton will likely be the Democratic nominee for president in 2008.
That said, I need to know why I should vote for her.
Please do not use the following reasons:
1)She's a woman
So are Thatcher and Imelda Marcos
2)She tried to enact universal health care
And because of her stubbornness and ego could not compromise her way to success.
3)She's a Clinton
Face it, the Sperm left her body when Chelsea was born so no connection.
It's like the line from "Blade Runner"
"Tell me the good things you remember about your mother."
Saying "Well, she's not Republican" (otherwise known as "Hold you nose and vote.") doesn't work anymore. This country needs honest, competent leadership.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 11/20/2007
- marcialosangeles See Profile I'm a Fan of marcialosangeles permalink

Thanks Geoff for putting this into historical perspective. I have alsways felt that one of Hillary's greatest assests (other than her brilliance, experience, and great ability to tackle difficult problems) was the fact that no one has had more experience fighting the right than she has. Gore and Kerry, esp. ,were completely knocked off guard and never recovered from their attacks. Hillary says, been there, done that, bring 'em on!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 11/20/2007
- Lansair See Profile I'm a Fan of Lansair permalink

Two Party America gets what it deserves more of the Bush-Clinton Crap. Cross over voting in the primary elections nation-wide would change things.
Without a strong 3rd party the Democratic and Republican Party will be giving us more of the same every election. Who ever raises the most money wins. Money talks and Bull Sh-t Walks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 AM on 11/20/2007
- brantl See Profile I'm a Fan of brantl permalink

But there are plenty of reasons not to vote for someone who is so triangulating that in a moment of urgent need (the Iraq vote) wouldn't vote a decent, conscientious vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 AM on 11/20/2007
- Slimsmom See Profile I'm a Fan of Slimsmom permalink

Indeed, mawrm, we do want change. How about if we just cut all the crap and make a rotating monarchy involving the Bushes and Clintons? Chelsea needs to start running for office soon, we can elect Jeb in '12 so he can take the reins until Chelsea, Jenna, and Barb are old enough to run. I am sick to death of both families and fervently desire fresh faces and new blood. Although I loved Bill Clinton and would vote for him again, the Bushes/Clintons are fast becoming synonymous with each other. It is time for a change!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 AM on 11/20/2007
- gardenbookie See Profile I'm a Fan of gardenbookie permalink

If we're all forced to use electronic, touch-screen voting machines, is there still a way to "write in" our choice for a national leader? I'd really like to know.....it might be important if the Dem's put Hillary Clinton's name on the ballot. I'll NEVER vote for HRC. I don't want my optional choice to be to vote AGAINST her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 AM on 11/20/2007
- Lansair See Profile I'm a Fan of Lansair permalink

Since the majority of the Americans are Independent Voters anyway. Why not make our so called party primaries an honest choice for the voters,instead of the choice of the select few.
Open the primaries to all voters regardless of party. Cross over voting would ensure a person,regardless of which party won the General Election,they would have a voice in who got on the ballot in the first place. The other badly needed change is to do away with the Electoral College. Whoever gets the most votes wins and that is it. Doing this would open the playing field to all voters

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 11/20/2007
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