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Do You Want to Be Immortal? Really?

Posted: 08/01/2012 9:48 pm

According to Dr. Igor Vishev (b. 1933), a distinguished Russian scientist and philosopher, it is likely that there are people alive today who will never die. Just stop for a moment and think about that. Alive today. Never die.

Vishev is convinced that medical technology is advancing so rapidly that sometime later in this century, Homo sapiens will become Homo immortalis. He believes that our current lifespan of up to 90 or, in extreme instances, slightly over 100 years, is not cast in stone or fixed in nature but an evolutionary stage out of which we are now emerging. Genetic engineering, replacement of natural organs with artificial instruments, nanotechnology, and other developing technologies could now extend our lives well beyond today's assumed limits. He proposes that a 200-year-old person is a present possibility, and a person who could live at least as long as a 2,000-year-old redwood tree is certainly imaginable. Such longevity will be self-propelling. New discoveries during the 200-year (or 2,000-year) lifespan would make what Vishev calls "practical immortality" a fairly safe bet. By "practical" he means "realizable" but not absolute. People could still die, accidentally or otherwise, but eventually techniques of "practical resurrection," toward which today's cloning is a primitive first step, would be able to restore life to those who somehow lose it. Vishev's philosophy, which he calls "practical immortology," is an attempt to shift our entire culture and worldview from one based on the certainty of human mortality to one based on the prospect of human immortality. This shift requires radical new directions not only in science and technology but in economics, politics, morality, ecology, art -- everything. Not easy, of course, but he thinks it's possible.

Vishev's line of thought is a 21st-century variation of Russian cosmism, a philosophical tendency that started with the eccentric 19th-century librarian and thinker Nikolai Fedorov (1829-1903) and continued through the 20th century in the works of religious thinkers such as Nikolai Berdyaev, Pavel Florensky, and Sergei Bulgakov and speculative scientists such as the rocket pioneer Konstantin Tsiolkovsky, the definer of the "noosphere" Vladimir Vernadsky, and the heliobiologist Alexander Chizhevsky. Intellectually diverse and not considering themselves members of any philosophical "school," the Russian cosmists shared a sense that man is a creature not of Earth alone, that in both a spiritual and scientific sense we should regard ourselves as simultaneously Earth citizens and "heaven dwellers." We are, in the cosmist view, active agents of our own evolution, capable of rationally directing -- or misdirecting -- our human and planetary future. Unfortunately, we currently choose to ignore our managerial abilities -- our naturally or divinely assigned task to regulate ourselves and our environment -- and are allowing ourselves to devolve into subhuman beings in a man-made hell. But, generally optimistic, the cosmists emphasize the spiritual and scientific advances that can set us and our world on the right path. Some of their proposals include exploration and colonization of the universe beyond Earth; active recognition of universal kinship; radical psychological, social, and cultural reorientation ("mind upgrade," as the recent cosmist writer Danila Medvedev put it); and, the proposal least attractive to some of us, reengineering our bodies to eventually allow an autotrophic diet in which we feed on sunlight and air instead of on plants and animals.

But from Fedorov on, a main cosmist idea has been to overcome death. For Fedorov individual immortality was not sufficient; our ultimate task was to bring back to life all humans who had ever lived. A devout if eccentric Christian, Fedorov viewed the resurrection as a human task, the Christ-like duty of the sons and daughters of humanity to restore life to those from whom it had been taken. Children would use future scientific technology to resurrect their parents, who in turn would resurrect theirs, all the way back to Adam and Eve.

As fantastic as Fedorov's idea seemed to his contemporaries, and as parts of it still seem to us, thinkers today, like Igor Vishev, have devoted very serious attention to the prospects and consequences of practical immortality. And Vishev knows something about overcoming apparent difficulties. Totally blind since age 14, due to a chemical accident, he has enjoyed a full academic career, addresses international conferences, works on a computer in several languages, plays chess, skis, and skates with his grandchildren.

The important question now may not be whether remaking ourselves and our universe to eliminate limits to present life is possible, but whether it is desirable. For centuries poets have intuited profound value in the mystery of death. As Shakespeare tells us in Sonnet 73, death gives life meaning, and love grows more strong for that "which thou must leave ere long." Or, as Wallace Stevens wrote in "Sunday Morning," "Death is the mother of beauty." Could many of our best intangibles be lost in the transition from human to "transhuman"?

And maybe we don't even need to fight death. Many traditions of religious and spiritual thought tell us that we are already immortal in part or in potential, that what we call death is simply a transition from one state of existence to another, worm to butterfly. And Socrates argued that because we don't know what death is, to fear it is hubris, pretending to know, and know well enough to fear, what we do not know. As he prepared to drink the hemlock, he famously told his friends that now was the time of parting, they to live and he to die, and which was better only the gods knew.

The question of what death is and how or whether we should attempt to eliminate it won't be settled here, or anywhere, anytime soon. But if Igor Vishev is right, someone alive today -- certainly not the one writing these words, but maybe someone reading them -- may be around long enough to know the answer.

 
 
 
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06:03 AM on 08/19/2012
The technoligy is avalible today,It just needs to go through more testing to make absolutly sure.
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loyalist1
From D voter to Ind. voter
12:23 PM on 08/10/2012
Well, looks like the mice-kins are getting their shots for longer lifespan now. In the study these seem to work better when given at the youngest age. So what should be done? Give kids a condom in HS, or a shot that extends their life by 25 years? ( Shudder: Who knows what the kids would pick? Probably the valedictorians opt for the shot.)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120514204050.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/08/120802122510.htm
avg american
It's about jobs, jobs, jobs...
11:16 AM on 08/10/2012
Well this certainly explains the fetus dumping....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/31/hundreds-of-fetuses-found_n_1726194.html

The real question is, with over population, who gets to live eternally???

hmmmm....
My guess is the folks with all the money.
01:24 AM on 08/10/2012
It will be far worse than that. Humanity will cease to dream.

We will stagnate, unable to sweep aside old ideas, prejudices and paradigms.

What happens when the 'Old Guard' does not or cannot die, thereby passing on the mantle? In this light alone, one can see how the immortality of the individual can ensure the death of the species.
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AlfredMDJD
12:31 PM on 08/09/2012
The singularity approaches.
09:11 AM on 08/08/2012
I agree with Socrates.

Also, bring back Adam and Eve? Really??
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GaryNOVA
Fear My Micro-bio!!!!!!!!
08:32 PM on 08/07/2012
no such thing. there might be someone who lives a really long time, but we'll all be gone eventually.

either way. who the heck actually wants immortality? I'll be ready to check out at 65! I'm exhausted at 32!
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Debbie338
What we manifest is before us
02:58 PM on 08/08/2012
Well, I'm 59, just did my first Superhero Scramble, and I feel like I'm just beginning to discover all the wonderful things life holds. There's so much I still want to do, I couldn't do it in another 100 years. I hope you aren't serious.
04:04 AM on 08/09/2012
There is no clear cutoff date at which we feel life fading away. You are obviously not there, yet. But it is part of the human experience that we get tired and we make peace with the inevitable. And that's OK. Everybody needs to rest, especially after an exciting day.

Think of death as the well earned sleep after an exciting life.
01:49 AM on 08/10/2012
And when your 100 year list is done? Then what? Eventually, you'll run out of things that interest you. You will tire of the incessant and petty human squabbling. Particularly if you have become a machine intelligence.

You will become a de facto Oligarch, as every scrap of wealth and power you accumulate over the centuries and millenia become an end unto themselves. It will never be passed on or recycled into the younger generations, who's ideas, goals and new technologies will be suppressed because the threaten an immeasurably calcified centuries-long status quo.

Look around you. We have only expanded our life-spans by a couple or a few decades, and it has begun already. The world dies, but those who insist on killing it will not...

You perhaps imagine what it would be like if we never lost our Einsteins, or Beethovens. I imagine what it would be like if we never lost our Hitlers, our Stalins.
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rbenjamin
Rule 5 rules
10:15 AM on 08/07/2012
I'm saving up my Quatloos for a really nice bell jar!
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Ossit
Ossit
03:19 AM on 08/08/2012
LOL! Galt will eagerly accept your quatloos with a glimmer in both eyes.
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rbenjamin
Rule 5 rules
10:32 AM on 08/08/2012
So, Galt is working at Target these days?
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jeffhintx
Yummy gruel! Thanks 1 percent!
11:46 PM on 08/06/2012
It's easy to be immortal, look at corporations. They're persons and they are, in a very real sense, immortal.
01:57 AM on 08/10/2012
Very true. And because of that, look how resistant they (and consequently the rest of the power structure) are to necessary change. It would be no different with immortal individuals.
fredgladys
Your Micro-bio is empty, I know, stop nagging.
09:16 PM on 08/06/2012
Another way of being immortal is to have kids, who have kids, who have kids, on and on. That way a part of you will live forever, or until the earth's expiry date.
09:40 PM on 08/06/2012
Yep. After 300 generations, one base pair on chromosome 3 will be "you". Whoo HOO!
fredgladys
Your Micro-bio is empty, I know, stop nagging.
03:32 AM on 08/07/2012
Ah yes, aim for quality not quantity.
02:08 AM on 08/10/2012
And yet science says there will be far more of you present after even 300 generations than you realize.

Every decision you make and act upon creates a new universe. A new timeline. A new path down which all must tread. Your habits and decisions will effect the habits and decisions of your children. And their children, and so on. And everyone those decisions effect. Everyone your descendants meet and otherwise interact with.

Some will do genealogical research to learn of their roots, and find your name. Your life. And based on what they can see of the triumphs and failures of your life, they will make decisions about theirs, continuing and refreshing the cycle anew.

All of our tiniest actions have relevance unto the end of the universe itself. THAT is immortality. And a considerable responsibility.
06:53 PM on 08/06/2012
Making people immortal would be a huge mistake at this point - over population would doom our species. Immortality shouldn't be considered until humanity has interstellar travel capabability and the ability to colonize other worlds. This way, excess population can be used for colonization purposes, and as huge a the universe is, it is unlikely we'd ever fill it, even taking into consideration other intelligent civilizations.
07:58 PM on 08/06/2012
If you can make people immortal, you can greatly compress them, too. So the overpopulation problem will not hit for quite some time, probably never, because you will always have some depletion by suicide, so the total number of pickled humans can never approach infinity as long as you keep the birth rate lower than the depletion. Not a problem, whatsoever.
09:44 PM on 08/06/2012
Oh only the rich will be able to afford the treatment. You don't think just anyone is going to get it do you? Starving kids in Africa? Urban slum dwellers? Mentally unstable? Democrats? Homeless people? Sorry, trix are for kids and the immortality elixar is for ritch, white, jowly old men.
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Phil Ken Sebbin
Birdman get in here!
11:08 PM on 08/08/2012
You read my thoughts exactly. Immortality is for the grasping rich... no vision but for the worldly, here-and-now.
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flipacoin
Heads they win, tails we lose.
06:06 PM on 08/06/2012
Yea, I can see it now. Collecting Social Security for 200 years kicking back and swinging in a hammock on a beach in Panama...
03:29 PM on 08/07/2012
I doubt current economic trends and practices would even be relevant in a society full of people whose life expectancy is well past a millenia. The current economic trends support lifespans of near 100 years per individual....obviously these would become vastly antiquated and a new state of being would have to be approached to sustain society.
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novaflo39
05:16 PM on 08/06/2012
google: the IMMORTAL JELLYFISH
nature is ahead of us...as always.
12:58 AM on 08/08/2012
Dammit! they don't really have a head to take their Quickening! NNNOOOO!!!!!!!
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onionboy
Blessed are the Cheese Makers
03:21 PM on 08/06/2012
Well, if we really want to get philosophical about it, we're all immortal already...possibly all the way back to the Big Bang or soon after.

Everything we are is from stars. Our sun is second generation for our region, so that would be two stars, even discounting anything arriving from other solar systems. And the hydrogen that went into those stars might go way way back. Then of course, there's time on Earth, where our atoms have been through trilobites and dinosaurs and atmosphere.

Every atom that makes up each of us has a story, and we are but one small word in that Proust-like novel.
06:57 PM on 08/06/2012
thats not being philosophical. face palm. we are not the things that make us up, but the pattern of things that make us up. this is what separates a dead person from a live person. We are our intelligence. If we can make our consciousness live forever, than yes, we will be immortal.
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onionboy
Blessed are the Cheese Makers
01:44 AM on 08/07/2012
We are the things that make us up.  Our consciousness is chemical reactions.  The only thing that separates a dead person from a live one is a lack of chemical reactions in certain organs.
There is no evidence that there is magical force know as "consciousness", certainly not one that would continue once our brain stops working.  It's chemistry.  We are our chemical reactions, our atoms.
Until there is evidence otherwise, save your face palm.
02:38 PM on 08/06/2012
"I know when I'm going to die because my birth certificate has an expiration date on it" Steven Wright.
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PMJ79
05:07 AM on 08/14/2012
@Boomfink

What if your b-certificate really did have an expiration-date on it? What if the the G-Men came on your 85th birthday to "retire" you?