Florida & Michigan Deserve a Voice at the Democratic Convention

Posted January 30, 2008 | 12:20 PM (EST)



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As you may know, both Michigan and Florida scheduled their primaries in January. They were told by the powers that be in Washington that the dates chosen were too early. They were informed that the national party did not want primaries scheduled anywhere except New Hampshire and South Carolina prior to February 5th.

While the readers of this blog may understand all of this, it is unlikely that most voters in either state knew what happened. That's why hundreds of thousands of them turned out yesterday in Florida to vote, just as Michigan voters did in mid-January. That is also why the delegates selected by those voters should be seated at the Democratic Convention this August in Denver.

Yesterday, more Democrats participated in the Florida primary than have voted in any of the prior primaries. Today they are being told that the race was nothing more than a beauty pageant. This makes no sense. Voters have good reason to be cynical about the process, especially after the experience of the 2000 election. This denial of their right to be heard after voting in a primary doesn't help at all.

The voters didn't decide the timing of the Florida and Michigan primaries. Their legislators did that. But now it's the voters who are being punished. They are being told that their vote did not count and that their voice will not be heard.

It may be right in theory that states should be penalized for ignoring directions from the national party, but in practice we now know that it is voters who are punished when the politicians make mistakes. That's not just wrong. It's counterproductive as well.

Now we are placed in the terrible position where voters have gone to the polls and voted for candidates, only to be told that their vote won't count and no delegates will be seated. That's unfair to the voters. It is not right. It is demoralizing. And it's not a smart way to win in the general election.

This misguided plan to keep the delegates elected in Florida and Michigan out of the convention will only undermine our ability to carry both states in the fall, regardless of which Democrat we nominate for president. How are voters to feel when we've told them that the one vote they have already cast this year wasn't worth our attention? They are going to feel betrayed, ignored and unwanted.

Is that the message we want to send? I can't imagine what good that will do us.

I have a simple reason for wanting the delegates elected from Florida and Michigan to be seated in Denver: I want the Democratic candidate to carry those states in November. Florida and Michigan are two states whose Electoral College votes will be critically important in the fall. We should win them both.

Yet, in the last few weeks, while our team of Democratic candidates -- Senators Clinton and Obama, as well as former Senator Edwards -- were complying with the rules and refraining from active campaigning, the Republican candidates dominated the media coverage. Yet Democrats in both states turned out on primary day, voting in huge numbers. They want a new direction for this country.

We should make sure their vote is counted and that it counts for something. When the Democrats gather in Denver this summer, the voters of Michigan and Florida should not be left out. Their delegates should be seated as full participants in the convention.

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I can't imagine that this article would have been written had anyone other than AFSCME-endorsed Clinton won in Florida and in Michigan. These states (and Mr. McEntee) knew a long time ago that their delegates would not be seated because of their refusal to follow party rules. Now it would not be fair to the other candidates who did not campaign so actively because they assumed these states were not in play to change the rules of the game after the fact.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 01/31/2008

First of all it's bad when Hillary runs virtually un-opposed in Michigan and still cannot get an overwhelming majority vote.
Second, the National made it perfectly clear that the primaries order would not be changed and if any state chose to ignore this the consequences were made perfectly clear.
Third, the State leaders of the Democrat party took it upon themselves to decide this while not even allowing the VOTERS of these states to play a part in this decision.

The leaders of the state parties should be held accountable for their actions and unfortunately it will be the voters who are punished.

What should have happened is all of the Democrat candidates should have banded together and not even campaigned in these states until THE candidate was chosen BY THE STATES WHO FOLLOW THE RULES.

The only reason this has come up is because Hillary knows that this will be the only way she will get the nomination.

Edwards gave up too soon, Obama keep going don't go negatve but whenever Hillary or Bill strike defend yourself and hit them between the eyes but maintain your composure, Hillary and Bill are nothing but crooks and scoundrels and do not deserve to be in the White House.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 01/30/2008


Ignoring the agenda behind this post...

... the voters should have known their votes wouldn't count before yesterday.

If they weren't aware their party leaders had plans that would make their vote worthless, they weren't informed voters... and their beef should be with Florida and Michigan Dems not the national party.

As it is, the primaries in Florida and Michigan were more about name recognition than anything alse, so the results are hardly indicative of voter sentiment on the issues.

Hillary's exploitation of the situation to claim "victories" makes her sound like Bush.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 01/30/2008

Gerald, I agree that the delegates should be seated, but it's simply not enough. As others have mentioned, our primary here in Michigan was a farce, with Clinton the only serious candidate that was on the ballot. Even seating the delegates, without other names on the ballot it's impossible to know who the "Uncommitted" votes were intended for, how many people didn't see their candidate and so voted for Clinton, or how many people stayed home or voted in the Republican primary (we allow that here) instead.

Orange Sam, regarding your comment "Yes, let's reward their ignorance", it's important not to be flip about this. Our votes were deliberately ignored here because of the actions of various members of our party. In a democratic process, it's no reward to have your vote counted, it's expected.

With regards to wondering's comments, it will be interesting to see what happens in the general election. I personally am refusing to support any Democrats because of this fiasco of an election; if my party can't even find a way to work together to protect my right to vote, how on earth can I trust them to work together to run the country?

I don't know how many other people share my opinion, but on the Web site I set up with information about the situation in Michigan (http://WhoStoleMiVote.org) I put a petition to the Democratic Party to fix this situation, and asked signers what they would do if the situation weren't fixed. About 15% of the people who signed it said they would not vote for a Democrat for president. An additional 15% said they would not contribute to any Democratic candidates, and another 33% said they would not contribute to the Democratic Party. These numbers are hardly representative of Michigan Democrats as a whole, but I think they show that people are upset enough to do something. I think it will have some direct affect on the election, and some indirect effect from reduced contributions.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 01/30/2008

"While the readers of this blog may understand all of this, it is unlikely that most voters in either state knew what happened." Yes, let's reward their ignorance.

"Yesterday, more Democrats participated in the Florida primary than have voted in any of the prior primaries. Today they are being told that the race was nothing more than a beauty pageant." The first came to be simply because of Florida's population base. Second, how did those voters who were so ignorant of the process in the previous paragraph become so attuned to what talking heads are saying about it now?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 01/30/2008

whoever wins the most votes should win the election regardless of when those votes were cast.
don't kid yourself folks, this ain't a democracy.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 01/30/2008

So, now John Edwards is gone__the best and most vocal voice for unions__ as vital to restoring the middle class and the elimination of poverty in America.

I will write Edwards name on my electronic ballet when Pennsylvanians have our primary. I know who was the real hope for the rank and file, but our lofty leaders in the union movement, especially Mr. McEntee, have backed the false hope of more NAFTA, CAFTA, Corporate Dictatorship and the end of the American Dream and, the final nail in the coffin of private sector unions.

Hillary Clinton has only recently plagerized John Edwards message. There is none of his passion, though__just calculation. "Corporations and lobbyists are people, too", she's said. And they will be the only "people" that matter to her should she become the next President of the United States.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 01/30/2008

Where was this oh say 3 for months ago? Not like the people of Iowa or NH were told anything huh?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 01/30/2008


If you want those delegates to count, then you must re-run the primaries in those states so that everyone gets a fair bite at the apple. And since that's not going to happen....

At first, I shared your concern about angering the democratic voters in those states by denying them delegates. But I think two points need to be considered : first, do we want to say that the voters in those states were wise enough to choose a candidate but not wise enough to know ahead of time that their votes would not count? Was that actually a secret? It must have been widely known, and yet the turn out was strong anyway.

Which leads me to the second point - I don't think it will matter in the general election. What Democrat is going to say in November, "Those party rats stole my delegates, so I'm staying home!" A handful? All over the country, Dems are making it well known that they want this country back - another war-mongering Republican administration out to destroy the environment and turn the US into a third-world economy, is too painful to even consider.

Besides, if they want to get mad at someone, they should look to the heads of the Democratic party in their own state who sold them a bill of goods.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 01/30/2008

This might have been a very compelling argument back when the decision was made by the DNC and all of the candidates decided to go along with it. Now it just seems petty and self-serving. Perhaps you would do better if you linked to where you made this argument back when it was still being decided.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 01/30/2008
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