Secretary Chertoff, Call Off These Raids

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Driven by the most savage talk radio and cable news anti-immigrant propaganda campaign in our nation's history, the Department of Homeland Security has unleashed an unprecedented crackdown on undocumented workers. In an effort not seen since the panic unleashed by the Great Depression, federal law enforcement has been targeting technically illegal workers who have been long tolerated in industries like meat packing, poultry processing and agriculture. In the terror created, fruit trees are being cut down and fields lie fallow, for want of traditional workers.

Many hundreds of otherwise law abiding, hard working, family men and women have been arrested in recent weeks under circumstances more appropriate to operations targeting al Qaeda. With noise and fury, these heavily armed and armored SWAT teams from ICE, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, are surrounding a particular plant, then with great quasi-military flourish sweeping in to arrest and handcuff the 'aliens', bring them en masse to a hearing, conviction and sentencing, all pending deportation. These completely overdone costume dramas are targeting cowering economic refugees just trying to feed their families. They would be ridiculed as overkill and posturing by any real soldier or cop.

And aside from every humanitarian concern, they violate ICE's own 2007 guidelines regarding the need to consult local social services and church officials, and negotiate a less violent surrender before raids of this magnitude are contemplated; given the tremendously unsettling effect the invasions have on the migrants, their millions of often U.S. citizen spouses and children, and the larger Latino community, which is the nation's largest minority and the victims of twice the hate crime this year from last.

The obscene spectacle is as pathetic and unnecessary as the raid on the Michael Bianco leather goods factory in New Bedford Massachusetts that separated nursing mothers from their children in March 2007, or the Pilgrims Pride Poultry plant raids this year incredibly staged during the pope's recent visit. Bizarrely, those raids were happening at the same moment the pope and president were emphasizing the need for immigration reform in a face-to-face Rose Garden meeting. And why the heavy hand? These are non-violent people. Their crime is almost invariably that they are here, their presence, not that they did anything wrong while they were here. Even minimal physical resistance to authority is rare. The federal government could have as easily sent in a couple of civilian garbed immigration officials and handed out summonses to report to a certain gathering spot to await detention and deportation following a hearing. The vast majority of those honest workers would have shown up without the pathetic show and without the terror gratuitously inflicted on these poor working families.

And what exactly did our heroes under the direction of Secretary Michael Chertoff accomplish? They shut down or severely crippled production at the food plants and fields and orchids, so the nation's food supply has been aversely affected. (The New Bedford plant was sewing knapsacks for our GI's). DHS/ICE has expended millions in executing these operations. They have denied the Social Security trust fund of the millions of dollars these workers were paying into accounts that they have no dream of ever redeeming, because they did not really exist. They have separated working parents from their children, many of whom are citizens. And they have denied the workers' commerce to their communities, many of which have been resurrected by the immigrant's presence in recent years.

I have previously written in His Panic, Why Americans Fear Hispanics in the U.S. that, "any Latino who votes for a Republican or a Democrat who opposes rational immigration reform is an Uncle Tom." In view of the pending Puerto Rico Democratic primary and the island commonwealth's rare opportunity to explain itself and amplify the growing importance in the larger nation's future of the Latino vote; it is time to say to all three candidates that our votes will go to the presidential aspirant who has the courage to defy the mob and call for an immediate cessation of ICE's draconian workplace campaign. Leaving a trail of broken hearts and disrupted communities is not the way to fix America's broken immigration system.

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- demockracy I'm a Fan of demockracy 10 fans permalink
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Gringolandia decries "illegals" -- where the law forbids rich and poor alike from stealing bread and sleeping under bridges.

But the immigration "problem," is self-created -- like NAFTA, with which gringos created lots of economic refugees. Incomes in Mexico went down, and half the Mexican population lives on $4 a day or less. So when we ship a lot of Iowa corn down to Mexico (40% of U.S. agricultural income is subsidy, remember?) we put a lot of subsistence corn farmers out of business. They can starve, or come to El Norte so they can feed their families.

And don't forget the proxy wars of the 80's, where U.S. supported regimes and Contras created lots of war refugees. Gangs are a natural consequence of a separate population given no political voice. We are actually exporting the gangs to Central America from here.

If you listen to the neocons, the biggest financial cost of the immigrant wave is medical -- and there are plenty of bigots eager to deny illegals even the emergency room. Seen another way, this medical expense could simply be a subsidy to the businesses with unsafe workplaces that are employing illegals.

The current anti-immigrant fervor is "divide and conquer." American manufacturers promoted racism to keep workers from unionizing. Henry Ford published anti-semitic tracts, and J.P. Morgan thought that, when it came to the Jews, Hitler "had the right idea."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 05/28/2008
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I worked in a hotel a couple of years ago. I normally work in the IT field but “for some reason” over the last four years jobs in Computer Operations have been hard for me to land. Anyway, I watched the Supervisor of Housekeeping tell her Mexican Housekeepers to sign out at four then go up and finish the remaining rooms that are left on their list. The housekeepers were expected to clean 26 rooms a day. They would normally complete between 18 to 20 before it was time for them to go home, and then stay an hour or two over to finish the rest of the rooms.

Once I saw the housekeepers lined up at the front desk. I asked a friend of mine what was going on. He said that the housekeepers were protesting about getting overtime pay. One of the supervisors came up and talked to them. They became afraid and went back to work. Some of you have stated that the reason companies employ illegals over Americans was because illegals work harder. That’s not what I saw. The reason that they employ illegals over Americans is because they can do anything they want with them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 05/28/2008
- ibsteve2u I'm a Fan of ibsteve2u 164 fans permalink
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Which is precisely why it is the employers that should bear the brunt of the punishment for condoning and even encouraging - and sometimes even arranging - illegal immigration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 05/28/2008
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Ibsteve2u,

I agree totally. I just wanted to blow a hole in that theory that illegals work harder than other Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 PM on 05/28/2008
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 172 fans permalink

"...technically illegal..."

Like this article is technically coherent? There's more to logic or reason than taking some words and putting them in rows.
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Jerry (aka Geraldo) Rivera, is a product of a comfortable working-middle class upbringing in NYC. Rivera's father was Puerto Rican and his mother was Jewish, and he was raised "mostly Jewish" and had a Bar Mitzvah, which is pertinent here where trading on a Hispanic last name is often a tool used to build instant credibility on this particular issue. His experience with illegals and the illegal workplace is about as comprehensive as his firsthand experience with war, or friendly fire events; stories about which, in the past, he has been castigated for less than honest reporting.

His yellow journalistic story leads, heavily influenced by the U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy school of public pronouncements ("I have here in my hand a list of 205 members of the Communist Party!" ) applied to topics of the day like Satanism; "Estimates are that there are over 1 million Satanists in this country!" And his college background, where he played varsity lacrosse as goalie, was a member of the rowing team and received his J.D. from Brooklyn Law School, seems as far removed from Satan and Illegals, as Geraldo was from the infamous "Friendly Fire" incident he was busted for in Afghanistan.

The question should be asked: Do we need this self agrandizing Fox News Fixture writing on HuffPo about anything at all?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 05/28/2008

10:05:43 05/28/2008Nathanael
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I sense a deficit of compassion in some posts. The immigrants are human beings like you and me. Many of us were immigrants at one time. Many had to flee oppressive regimes and fight our way tooth and nail to become U.S. citizens! No one has better characterized this situation than John Paul II: "the world in which we live," he said during the Jubilee 2000 Debt Forgiveness Campaign Speech, "does not belong to us: the world is the fruit of God's love, given to all." All human beings have a God-given right to seek a decent , dignified living, regardless of borders! "the Catholic Church has always taught that there is a 'social mortage' on all private property in the world." The immigrants come here because their governments have failed to create acceptable conditions for them to feed their families! Now the U.S. government is becoming exceedingly hostile to the immigrants from Mexico. You know why? Because the government has allowed for the bulk of the industries to move to China! Why countries like Poland today have no immigrant problem? Because they did not export their manufacturing base Due to wise policies, Poland has virtually zero unemployment, and in fact imports workers from all over the world! America needs to change her ways, instead of blaming the poor masses yearning for a piece of bread that is theirs anyway by the original design of God!

09:05:07 05/27/2008smi2le

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 AM on 05/29/2008

Poland has no immigrant problem because they are a huge exporter of labour. Nearly half a million Poles now live and work in the U.K. alone. Of course, they are there quite legally as Poland is part of the EU.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 AM on 06/01/2008
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And we already knew this. I saw some horrible treatment of illegals and the law will not do anything about it. There is farm in North Carolina that houses illegal farm workers, no heat,
no A/C in a barn and the illegals are kept there with little money for themselves because they have to pay back to the farmer the rent, food, etc. They are slaves and the local police does not do a darn thing. It nearly broke my heart, the farmer said, not to get involved that was not my business.
And those people, mind you, go to church on Sunday and claim to be religious!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 AM on 06/01/2008

Take a hike Geraldo, America doesn't need your endless harping and complaining about those poor, poor ILLEGAL immigrants. Unemployment in the U.S. is already at an all-time high because there aren't enough jobs to go around. Well, I say we need to punish any employers who hire undocumented workers. Any undocumented workers who get caught fully deserve to be arrested and deported.

I completely understand the innate desire and the need to provide for one's family, which is part of why I feel as I do, but if you want to move to The United States to live and work, you ought to do it legally or be willing to face the consequences. Allowing undocumented (illegal) immigrants to shirk the responsibility of citizenship places unnecessary strains on an already tenuous economy. Our worthless politicians and anyone with at least a high school diploma ought to be able to figure it out, it's as simple as clown shoes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 05/28/2008
- Soule23 I'm a Fan of Soule23 2 fans permalink

Locking up the people who employ the marginally employable sounds like a great way to reduce unemployment. Anyone with a high school diploma ought to be able to figure out how to out compete an undocumented (risky) worker who doesn't speak English.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 05/28/2008
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 172 fans permalink

Sure. Be willing to work for 25 cents an hour less...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 05/28/2008

And that is why we can't get any response about deporting illegals from our politicians. They know that there is an abundance of people out there just like you , who know nothing about nothing and are to caught up in your own little world to learn. You can't even figure out that every job an illegal takes is taken from an American. And you don't care until you get fired and they give your job to someone in India. Maybe you'll revisit your logic then? Or maybe when you have a mate and kids and you lose your job to an illegal you'll remember your stupidity on the subject. I certainly hope so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 AM on 05/29/2008
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You're pretty much missing a larger point that he was making, though. There was no need for those raids to have been handled the way they were. He missed another reason why, though - turning them into massive SWAT efforts costs a ridiculous amount of money. Why waste the money and the manpower when it's not necessary to safely perform the function?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 05/28/2008

Not enough jobs? I see help wanted signs in fast food restaurants and convenience stores everywhere I go. In these jobs I have seen predominately minorities, I don't know if they are illegal or not. With just high school these are about the only jobs you qualify for without any additional skills or education (unless you are a farmer or rancher were you can get welfare...I mean subsidies from the government). I have yet to see non-English speaking illegals in the white collar industries or jobs that require a degree. But you know what if you did the math you would probably determine that it is hard to make ends meet, especially with a family working at these types of jobs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 AM on 05/29/2008

First of all, I'm happy to see that Geraldo Rivera has finally come to Jesus and admitted that he's a Latino. I've been waiting to see him do that since the Unity '94 Journalists Convention.
Secondly, if the process to become a legal resident in this country weren't so convoluted and stupid, maybe fewer people would sneak in. I know of people who have been trying to get their green cards for years so that they can be taxpaying Americans, but are being stalled by the geniuses that run the Department of Homeland Security.
Thirdly, this whole anti-immigration thing is about race and nothing else and I'll continue to believe that until I see a wall similar to the one going up along the Mexican border go up along the Canadian border. What are we afraid of, stemming the flow of hockey players?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 05/28/2008

The Canadians don't want to invade America. They have better jobs, better government and better health care. You couldn't give them this country. They don't have 20million illegals roaming around their country because their government wouldn't allow it. Thus the workers have some bargaining power when it comes time to get a raise. Mexicans and South Americans shouldn't be trying to destroy the economy of America. They should be over throwing their own governments. Because they have as much, or more natural resources and fertile land then we have here. They just want to benefit from the war we had to have to take control of our resources. They need to go home and fight for what is inherently theirs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 05/28/2008
- Soule23 I'm a Fan of Soule23 2 fans permalink

Yeah, cause education is the problem with people like you, Robert. How dare you come on here with your big three syllable words and conceit toward the stupid, Robert. And watch out for them brown people, cause they're drunk, rabble rousing, dope smoking, no good, lecherous, treacherous, job stealing, white hating, ILLEGAL, Mexican speaking, gang banging, tax evading, service stealing Maxicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 05/28/2008
- Soule23 I'm a Fan of Soule23 2 fans permalink

That philosophy, my friend, is probably exactly what inspired your ancestors to immigrate here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 05/28/2008
- GJKBEAR I'm a Fan of GJKBEAR 10 fans permalink

You know, some of them could rightly say that TX is their land. I am not sure about anywhere else; but we took this land that we currently live on from Mexico. Hispanics and the Native Americans owned these lands at one time. The white anglo saxons came and in TX case, fought a war and won. There were also many Hispanics who fought along side Texans for freedom & we were a damn good Republic at one time. If you are a white anglo saxon, then you really know nothing about what it means to be a Hispanic. As far as the jobs these illegals are taking from all these "Americans" - I have not seen too many Americans line up to take these jobs once the illegals are wiped up and deported. Why? They don't want to work for the wages these illegals are happy to work for. We have plants and corporations who have built in MX because they don't have to pay the good wages. Its good for their bottom line. Perhaps if they paid a living wage there, then these Hispanics and South Americans would not want to come here to live. It is a good line to say they need to go home and fight for what is inherently theirs and I would fall in line if American Corporations were not moving their bases of operations elsewhere so they don't have to pay Americans decent wages.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 05/28/2008

We don't have 20 million illegal aliens in Canada because our total population is less than 40 million. I don't think our per capita numbers for illegals are much lower than the US, its just that we don't tend to get that worked up about anything. I don't know about how it is in the US, but in Canada immigration is widely seen as positive. Studies consistently show immigrants contribute more to the economy than they drain from it. Obviously we would prefer that the immigrants came legally, and every couple of years there is some high profile case of a criminal who somehow avoided being deported when he should have been, but we have so far mostly avoided the kind of anti-immigrant fever that plagues the US. Unfortunately our current Tory government is more inclined to play politics with immigration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 06/01/2008
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 172 fans permalink

When the Canadians begin flooding across the border, stealing social security identities, lowering wages, increasing infrastructure expenses, and forming gangs--no doubt wearing hockey shirts and using hockey sticks to beat people senseless--then you will see a wall, either real or figurative, go up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 05/28/2008

If I remember correctly one or two of the 9/11 hijackers originally entered the US through Canada, NOT Mexico. One of the reasons for the wall is the "terrorist threat" that most people are gullible enough to swallow hook, line, and sinker.

And Canada has laxer entry laws than the US.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 AM on 05/29/2008

"anti-immigrant propaganda campaign in our nation's history"

1.) Define 'immigrant'
2.) Define 'anti-immigrant'
3.) Define 'anti-immigrant propaganda'

Then maybe you'll begin to make some sense. As it is most of what you have written is about as laughable as this one:

"The federal government could have as easily sent in a couple of civilian garbed immigration officials and handed out summonses to report to a certain gathering spot to await detention and deportation following a hearing"

Which is no doubt why ICE is spending a great deal of its time chasing after those illegal immigrants who HAVE IGNORED DEPORTATION ORDERS, or why the Border Patrol ended its 'Catch And Release' program, because NINETY-TWO PERCENT of all illegal immigrants DID NOT SHOW UP FOR THEIR IMMIGRATION HEARINGS.

Oh yeah, and while you're at it:

"rational immigration reform"

Define 'immigration reform'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 PM on 05/28/2008

Everybody, especially the media, is looking at the issue from the supply side of economics. Nobody mentions the “accelerator factor” of economics in the demanding side of economics. The economy will get worse with al these deportations and the effects will not be seen until 5-10 years from now. By this time, when supposedly the economy should be recovering the effects of the deportations will kick-in and the new cycle of economic depression will continue. Do I worry? No, because I am retired with enough money, have no children, and will live somewhere else where I will be covered by national health insurance. Should you worry? I simply don’t care.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 05/28/2008

Just your use of the word "economics" confused a majority of these people. I agree though that most people do not understand the effect just trying to elimante illegal immigration and the employment of illegals.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 AM on 05/29/2008

Geraldo, stop the spinning. Illegal is illegal is illegal. PERIOD! They 'tehcnically' commit a crime by INTENTIONALLY coming here without proper documentation. They 'technically' commit identity theft from REAL citizens like me. They 'technically' forge or steal Social Security Numbers from REAL American citizens to get jobs.

All of these FELONIES are done PURPOSELY and MALICIOUSLY against law abiding Americans. I don't feel sorry for a couple who commit identity on purpose to get a job, have a kid in this country on purpose, and than uses that kid as a political scapegoat when the FELONIES they have commited come back to haunt them. Your not going to get and compassion from me on this issue.

If I ever committed any of these felonies, including falsified passports, international smuggling, identity theft and forging federal documents (such as Social Security Cards) I'm pretty sure my government would lock me up for a very long time.

So you know something? I'm GLAD that ICE busts in on them with overwhelming force and guns drawn. I'm GLAD that these FELONS are taken away from their American kids because the don't DESERVE to be parents! I hope these FELONS all get shipped back to their original countries WITHOUT their children! I hope they lose EVERYTHING because CRIMINALS should not be rewarded! I hope their stay here is so TERRIBLE that they never want to ILLEGALLY enter here again!
No love from me Geraldo. An illegal felon is an illegal felon. PERIOD!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 05/28/2008
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If you are brought here by your parents, have you come intentionally? There are some people who were born in other countries that they have no recollection of. Also, the excessive CAPITALIZATION is completely unnecessary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:52 PM on 05/28/2008

Capitalization is meant to imply anger or to imply yelling. I think this person has the right to do both.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 05/28/2008
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Hmm, let's start with one little detail - being in the country illegally (a) isn't technically a crime, and (b) doesn't make you a felon. Being in the country without proper documentation is actually an administrative infraction.

Oh, and the act of using someone else's Social Security number isn't a felony either - it's a misdemeanor. Now, if you use someone else's SSN in order to commit a crime (fraud, or false impersonation), you might become a felon, but it's the magnitude of the crime committed that will determine it's a felony or a misdemeanor.

And "illegal felon" is just a stupid, meaningless phrase. You can do something illegal, or you can be a felon, but how the hell is someone an illegal felon?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 PM on 05/28/2008
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Geraldo writing insincere satire.

Who'da thunk it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 05/28/2008

Mr. Rivera seems to lack a profound sense of the obvious and has submerged his reasoning powers in a wave of invective and a poorly fact checked narrative. Illegal migrants, are by definition not supposed to be here. That most are from Mexico, reflects badly on the corruption of that nation and its inability to provide meaningful lives for its citizens in spite of having a marvelous climate, rich soils and natiral resources. Mr. Rivera seems to ignore the fact that Americans are not responsible for Mexico's corruption, misuse of resources or faild government and economy. Mr. Rivera does not seem to undertsand that those that get to America are largely exploited and work at below minimum wage in deplorableconditions. A segment of those here, contribute to crime, misuse of the environment, public services and depress American wages and then export large sums of American dollars to Mexico.

A nation that cannot defend and secure its borders against active or passive incursions for whatever reason cannot long survive. There are paths to legitimate immigration, but any sort of amnesty is not one of them. Finallt, we need to come to terms with the population issue. We are 330 Million now with perhaps 20 million of more illegals. How many people do we want? Oir population has doubled since John Kennedy was President.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 05/28/2008

20 million is too high. It is more like 12 million. It would seem that the solution to the problem is to make the illegals legal. Then they would no longer be illegal. They would not have to forge documents and take identities, etc. What would be wrong with that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 05/28/2008

I think 20 million is to low. I think 30 million is more like it. So who's right ? Our government only keeps records that benefit them, so we will never know . But I still think I'm right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 05/28/2008

Did you read the blog about 13 million Americans being unemployed? So tell me why you think that legalizing illegals will make everything better? I think it will put more people out of work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 05/28/2008
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"What would be wrong with that?"

I would be rewarding illegal acts, and our country is supposed to be based on the rule of law.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 05/28/2008

That is certainly one perspective and has been suggested by many. I suggest it is wrong for the following reasons. First, there are millions of people from all over the world waiting in line and doing the right thing. Any amnesty destroys the integrity of the process and flaunts illegal action as a shortcut. Second, Mexico has some of the most stringent laws regarding illegals and by force ejects or jails all that are caught. We should do no less. Third. We cannot absorb everyone nor should we. Given the opportunity, most of the world would land here! We are already at 330 million. How much is enough is a serious question. Fourth. The illegals are a major tax burden on all Americans. It is variously estimated that illegals cost something like $6,000 per American citizen for added services that go unpaid. The population of illegals cripples medical services, over stresses schools, increase crime rates, depress wages, send dollars elsewhere, etc--all nasty results. Fifth. A nation has the right to protect borders, and determine its national character. I suggest there is a serious political side to the illegal mess and a wish to alter the American political scene. Sixth. There was a silly amnesty program berfore and it was touted as ending illegal immigration Instead it encouraged more and more. Lastly. Any nation that cannot determine it borders fails. Illegals here result from the failure of the Mexican government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 05/28/2008

The people of the United States are in total denial about what is happening to this country. So, they scapegoat immigrants. Nothing will change until the people go through a twelve step program. "My name is__________. I am a citizen of the United States and I am stupid."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 05/28/2008

Robert how intense. Let me guess , your just graduated from college and your head is bursting with these visions of a grander America. Get a job Robert. But whatever you do don't ask for a raise because there is a Mexican right behind you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 05/28/2008

So it seems that AMNESTY believers would have us believe there is no difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL? I have a son-in-law here and working LEGALLY. Getting him here took long time and big expense. Should those who just jumped a fence be entitled to the same rewards and benefits as he? I don't believe so.
I do believe that when we go after the businesses that hire this cheaper labor and exploit them we will help end the problem. If businesses receive more than a slap on the wrist and truly discouraged from ILLEGAL hiring practices we will end the problem as ILLEGALS will voluntary go home if they receive nnothing from being here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 PM on 05/28/2008

Hi Graycrab. You make a really great point about how hard it was to get your son-in-law here the legal way. I think that this is one of the main problems with the immigration issue, yet both sides of the debate seem to ignore it most of the time.

The problem is people like your son-in-law who work hard to come here are given the same rights as those who jump a fence or cross a river. It is not fair for law abiding people such as him to be treated in the same manner as those that come here illegally. If we crack down on the employer's who hire the illegals and not allow them to collect social services than there would no longer be any incentive for them to come here. Than those who do the right thing and come here legally will have the best opportunities that this country can provide. Good comments!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 05/28/2008

I'm guessing that the son-in-law is not in one of the minimun wage fields where most illegals work - but is a highly paid professional.
I am one of those who believe that mexicans who are willing to work hard need to stay in mexico & work for political reform. But to expect someone looking for low-paying entry work to apply & wait years for the chance to bust tables, is foolish.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 AM on 05/29/2008

I think its ironic that you can pay an illegal 4 bucks an hour and a legal 11 bucks an hour and still the legal one complains about how they can't seem to make ends meet. Meanwhile they both take advantage of socials services, and somehow the illegal is still able to send half their pay home. Is it because the legal one refuses to live with half of their extended family in a small house? Is it because they don't want to live in the part of town that is cheaper but filled with those of another race? Is it because americans feel entitled to a movie and dinner at a restaurant every weekend?

Now that's one for the crack team over at freakanomics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 05/28/2008

Name your source. I think you are making it up as you go along. Give a source about the legal who complains. I gotta know that you aren't listening to Fox Noise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 AM on 05/29/2008
- jesselee26 I'm a Fan of jesselee26 43 fans permalink
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what irks me is that you've got ice doing the government's dirty job of so much pandering to myopic blow-hards like lou dobbs... and nobobdy is addressing the real issues. you can't fix this problem with a bunch of deportations. especially when the people spouting off about deporting undocumented workers are enjoying just as much profit off of them as the next guy. and believe me, we've all enjoyed some thing or service, at a cheaper price than we would have if these issues were being legitimately addressed. sadly, its really easy to mislead the majority of americans with some xenophobic rant and dramatic military parade and what tend to be highly HYPOCRITICAL arguments about legality... than to get them to stand up and press for a government that protects the interests of themselves AND their neighbors. and most americans are painfully ignorant of the nation's convoluted immigration policies anyway, which is why its so easy to let them puff-up with all this self-righteous indignation and forget to actually ask questions. just like its so easy for them to forget to ask why their kids toys are so cheap... until everybody's got lead poisoning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 05/28/2008

If it wasn't for Lou Dobbs this country would still be going down the drain in a rush, but they wouldn't know why. You really ought to watch his show instead of making comments that you heard from some other idiot that doesn't watch him either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 05/28/2008
- Soule23 I'm a Fan of Soule23 2 fans permalink

News Flash: this country is going down the drain in a rush. It's not because of immigration or Lou Dobbs, although Dobbs does sort of illustrate the problem. It's because we are self centered, glamorize ignorance, worship laziness and are too arrogant to see how far behind the rest of the world we are allowing ourselves to get. You want to use illegal immigrants, or as you have previously stated, Mexican as scapegoats, fine; just remember that that's what the Nazis were doing to the Jews in the early 30s

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 05/28/2008

Lou Dobbs contrary to many uniformed people is not anti-immigrant he is anti-illegal immigrant. Get IT? Homeland Security is totally dysfunctional and as they twiddle their thumbs Rome burns.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 05/28/2008

Geraldo:

I will conclude that the Immigration System of America is broken, but to continue keep coming only adds to the problem......not the solution. No matter how law bidding, hardworking, family oriented that these individuals are........the chickenhawks of America will take advantage of them by filling the rolls of modern day slavery....and the government remains blind to take any action. Let me ask you a question........I met you at a college in upstate New York after you had just completed and aired your Willow Brook event.........DId it change the destiny for those residents.........I know it change for you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 05/28/2008
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Has anyone in HS thought this through? This administration has driven us unto a recession. Property values have fallen as well as rents. I have a duplex in Homestead Florida, 1/2 of which has been vacant for over 6 months. I am losing money every day and may lose the property if I can't rent it.

The area is populated by migrant workers who work in agriculture and construction. We know what has happened to construction...now the Mexican farm labor pool is not coming back because of the crack downs and lack of work. My last tenants in front vanished, caught by INS, costing me $800 a month in rent I need to pay mortgage.

This means that Homestead is now plagued with a LOT of empty apartments because there is no one working and no renters. This is driving land lords to default on mortgages because they have lost the income necessary to pay their loans, taxes and HIGH property taxes.

These foreclosed rental properties dot the city, further depressing prices.

I am 62...this has destroyed my retirement because my assets are tied up in property I can't rent and can't sell. I'm inches away from bankruptcy because of the recession, lost work, lost value on my property and inability to find anyone to rent to.

All we need now is for HS to make it impossible for me to rent my property by clearing out the people who are available tenants in much of Homestead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 05/28/2008

I have an answer; quit renting to illegals. Then you don't have to worry about ICE emptying out your apartments.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 05/28/2008
- nexus1961 I'm a Fan of nexus1961 5 fans permalink

if you were renting to illegals, i have not one bit of sympathy for you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 05/28/2008
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 172 fans permalink

I guess that's what happens when you base you fiscal future on an illegal commodity--whether it's cocaine or pot, or in your case, illegal aliens who rented from you. I don't feel sorry for coke dealers when their supply dries up due to enforcement, and I have no pity for you as a part of the system that perpetuated a whole host of illegal acts!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 05/28/2008

You should be fined for renting to illegals. You are an enabler.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 05/28/2008

You have to be joking!! You are angry because you can't rent your property to illegal aliens? I guess as long as people like you ignore the law being broken the problem with immigration will never end. I occasionally work with US Customs and Border Protection as well as Border Patrol and the have first hand knowledge of this situation. Geraldo loves to pontificate this crap by saying the government is against immigration. ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION is the problem. If amnesty is spread like a blanket these hard working law breakers will be entitled to minimum wage and also starting unions to demand more money for the manual labor jobs that Geraldo and his pundits say only they are willing to perfrom. That's why people hire illegals. They will work for less because they don't want to get caught and deported for breaking the law. Legal immigrants very rarely are deported. The Visa problem could be fixed by approving one legal visa for each time an illegal is deported. Geraldo says these people would appear in court if summoned? They can't obey our laws and wait like all the legal immigrants, what will make them appear in court? The law is the law and it's not negotiable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 PM on 05/28/2008
- billysviez I'm a Fan of billysviez 4 fans permalink

you are part of the problem for renting to them and should be fined. Mexicans have retaken Texas without fireing a shot as they are the Majority now and it's going to get worse for us American People.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 06/01/2008
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