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No Illegal Immigrant in His Right Mind Would Sign Up for President Obama's Temporary Immigration Policy Change

Posted: 06/20/2012 4:04 pm

Why would anyone illegally in this country like and participate in the president's new change in immigration policy? It is an ICE bull's-eye on an undocumented immigrant's back -- and could convert that so-called dream into a giant nightmare.

Think about this:

Under the president's new immigration policy, those here illegally, but who came here before age 16 and are younger than 30 (and meet certain other qualifications) may sign up and get work permits. That might sound good... but think deeper. The president's new policy is a TEMPORARY PROGRAM -- a TWO YEAR PROGRAM. (Yes, it could be extended but right now it is only a two-year protection from deportation.)

To get that work permit, the person here illegally would have to admit being here illegally (why else would the person need a work permit?) and provide all sorts of personal info (e.g. where to find the person!) In other words, the person would be putting a big target on his or her back for ICE deportation in two years when the program expires (if not extended.)

What person here illegally (and in his right mind), will go to the government, announce being here illegally (e.g. plead guilty), provide all sorts of information as to where that person lives etc. to get a work permit only to be a target for deportation in two years? Or, perhaps sooner if Governor Romney is elected and he decides to cancel the temporary program? Answer: no one.

People here illegally are not looking for ways to identify themselves to the government for a temporary program. The president's new immigration policy will be rationally perceived as simply bait for ICE, and not some great dream.

Ask yourself, do you trust our government? Do you trust our government to be consistent or to prolong any given policy? If the answer is no, why would someone here illegally -- and fears our government -- be any different from you and trust our government?

This defect in the president's program speaks to the political nature of his temporary policy change. It gets him through the election. It certainly is not leadership to handle a national problem of illegal immigration. Everyone knows this is a difficult problem -- and it is complicated. But we expect our leaders to solve problems (or at least try) -- not play us.

Am I wrong?

 
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11:35 AM on 06/22/2012
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susiewatusi
Dancing around words daily...
12:15 AM on 06/21/2012
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hipocampelofantocame
retired pediatrician
10:09 PM on 06/20/2012
If they use the two years wisely, why would anyone want to deport them? Offhand, I
can't see any politician dumb enough to cancel the new policy. These people are
probably more valuable to us than many of our born here losers.
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iuriggs6
Sure thing. Shoot, Timmy.
12:03 PM on 06/21/2012
I might as well tell my honor roll students to give it up since the dreamers are the only ones with a future.
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stevestrange
Let me think about it..See what happens.
09:34 PM on 06/20/2012
I think Ms. Van Susteren could have spent her time better..By writing an article questioning why (R)'s refuse to support the Dream Act. This..This is just more conservative spin by a FOX host.
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susiewatusi
Dancing around words daily...
12:17 AM on 06/21/2012
conservative spin as a FOX host... that IS her job. Now, why do you think she's posting her brand of spin here?
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Michael Sandy
08:10 PM on 06/20/2012
I suspect that illegal immigrants believe in the US, and trust in the US government, a great deal more than Republicans believe in the US government or the traditional principles of the US. They also have a greater reflexive tendency to obey the law than Republicans do. So if they see a legal way to live and work in the US, they will take the chance because they WANT to be in the US legally.
07:14 PM on 06/20/2012
Think of it this way - an illegal immigrant signs up and gets two years trusting that Obama will win election. Then, if Romney wins it won't matter because this nation will be so screwed the illegal immigrants will leave (along with any other sentient being).
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dwillisno1
Learning to Butt Heads Without Being Buttheads
06:57 PM on 06/20/2012
So if its such a bad idea, why are the repubs resisting it? When you can't stop something, say it doesn't matter or that it won't work?? Nice try.
07:59 PM on 06/20/2012
..cause it is not legal under the constitution....
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susiewatusi
Dancing around words daily...
09:16 PM on 06/20/2012
It's perfectly legal.
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soma77
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06:42 PM on 06/20/2012
Illegal immigrants are not as dumb as Fox viewers they are not going to go against their self interest.
06:38 PM on 06/20/2012
Only greta would think there was some underhanded element to this new theme
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Viper1st
multi quasi faceted
09:25 PM on 06/20/2012
Count me as #2

> If it walks like a Sting Operation
> If it talks like a Stings Operation
Then, it could be a . .. ... .... .....

To receive a 2-yr deferred deportation work permit for the following information inputed into DHS Secure Communities Database

> turn over all I.D. Documents
> submit to Photo'd
> submit to Fingerprinting
> possibly outing illegal parents names & addresses

ALL For ~

> NO Pathway to Citizenship
> NO post-secondary education incentives
> NO legal status what-so-ever

Receiving a temporary 2-yr deferred deportation

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=f2ef2f19470f7310VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=f2ef2f19470f7310VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD
yesiamaconservative
waiting for an intelligent reply ...
06:04 PM on 06/20/2012
From FactCheck.org
Q: Does the IRS pay billions in tax refunds to workers who are in the U.S. illegally?
A: Yes. The Treasury Department’s Inspector General determined that $4.2 billion was paid in 2010, up from less than $1 billion in 2005. Leading Democrats are resisting a bill that would stop future payments.
07:12 PM on 06/20/2012
Did you read the whole article? This is an issue that began in 2001 with the bush tax cuts and has continued as those "temporary cuts" keep getting extended. And the refunds are child tax credits. Many of those children are US citizens, even if their parents are not. Is this a problem? maybe. And maybe it should be "fixed". But it is nothing new, its been happening for over a decade.
yesiamaconservative
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07:58 PM on 06/20/2012
and who last extended the cuts? and who is resisting a fix? wrong is wrong. The fact that an illegal can step across a border and have a child that then becomes a "citizen" who bleeds our systems dry and takes jobs from americans is wrong. Obama's latest stunt is just that a stunt to pander for votes - Panderer in Chief "vote for me cause I'll get you free stuff" Obama. regards. Multiculturalism is killing Europe - where there is more concern for a class of people than the culture and well being of the country. Same in america - no longer do we have a "culture". You may like that - I don't. I have nothing against mexicans but it seems conservatives are bigots and racists because we believe in a "legal" immigration system and with all the Obama talk about fairness , we don't think it's fair to all the millions that are waiting years to enter legally. Regards.
05:59 PM on 06/20/2012
If "O" gets elected no problems cuz he will try to get a permenant solution to the problem. This just tells me greta thinks Robme would over rule the plan.Greta's just trying shallow fear tactics.
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Monte Mcmillian
05:51 PM on 06/20/2012
Wow Greta. If you have to distort the policy just to make a point, then your "point" is irrelevant.
yesiamaconservative
waiting for an intelligent reply ...
06:03 PM on 06/20/2012
Wow Monte - wanna give any specifics?
05:38 PM on 06/20/2012
Well, it would be nice if you actually did your job as a reporter and got some answers. If a person gets a work permit under this policy, wouldn't at that point they have legal status, and once they have legal status they can stay indefinitely. They are subject to deportation because they are here illegally; if they are not illegal any longer, are they no longer subject to deportation? Once someone has legal status-can it be taken away?
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voyager48
Illegitimi Non Carborundum
07:39 PM on 06/20/2012
Read the memo!

NO they do not get legal status, just deferred processing for being here illegally. This dispensation gives them no rights other than a temporary work permit that has to be renewed every 2 years. There is nothing that says they cannot be deported and as Greta says - to bet in the program they have to prove their illegal actions and effectively plead guilty to entering the country in contravention of immigration law - a felony as opposed to just being here without authorization which is a misdemeanor, by implication those of their family too. This not only opens them up to future prosecution but exposes their family now as felons so they are instant targets for deportation.

It is cheap politicking and worst of all does not resolve the root cause of the problem at all.
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Kathy Green Orazio
just call me lefty
08:04 PM on 06/20/2012
What it does do, just like with healthcare , is get these issues that have sat in limbo forever, moving forward where they can finally be dealt with and hopefully resolved. It's a starting point.
serena1313
Condemnation w/o investigation is hgt of ignorance
08:42 PM on 06/20/2012
Voyager, sometimes good policy is good politics.

Granted it is a temporary fix that President Obama has admitted to. Notwithstanding this would not even be an issue if the Republicans had not thwarted the Dream Act from passing -- 3 times.

President Obama had to do something. What he did was good politics.
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demisfine
Often correct, NEVER right.
05:28 PM on 06/20/2012
Self-deportation would be permanent.
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demisfine
Often correct, NEVER right.
05:27 PM on 06/20/2012
Spin, spin, spin.
The GOP has lost this issue, and the Hispanic vote.
Nice try.