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Haggai Carmon

Haggai Carmon

Posted: February 15, 2011 02:28 PM

The earth is shaking again in Iran, and the smug President Ahmadinejad is feeling the tremor. The hundreds of thousands of protestors in the streets of Tehran and other major Iranian cities like Tabriz, Yazd, Ahvaz, Mashad, Shiraz, and Isphahan were chanting "Mubarak, Ben-Ali, novbat-e Seyyed-Ali" which translates to: Mubarak, Ben Ali and now it's the turn of the supreme leader Ali Khamenei, also called Seyyed-Ali, to demonstrate his lineage to the Prophet Muhammad.

What should give Ahmadinejad a reason for serious heartburn is the protestors' battle for change. They chanted "Azadi" -- freedom, and, "Not Gaza, not Lebanon, but Tunisia and Egypt." These slogans send a clear message: many thousands of protestors want to topple the oppressive regime of Ali Khamenei and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as the people of Tunisia and Egypt deposed their own leaders. Another important message the demonstrators were sending was that Iran and Iranians should come first. The active meddling of Iran in Lebanon and Gaza cost the Iranian tax payers billions of dollars and in return Iran gets to be on the world's list of pariah states. There's a clear disparity between the Iranian government and the demonstrators. The official Tehran, led by an Ayatollah as a supreme leader, wants to spread the Islamic revolution, and crown the religious leader as the sole leader of the Islamic world, while the people want freedom and affordable food on their tables, and could care less who's regarded as supreme Islamic leader by the Gazans.

Are the demonstrations any different than those we saw in 2009 that were suppressed with an iron fist? At least in one aspect they are. The protestors became fearless. They saw what nonviolent popular uprisings did in Tunisia and in Egypt and vow to copycat the same process in Iran.

However, the Iranian demonstrators don't have to look to Tunisia and Egypt for a good cause for demonstration. All they had to do was look at the rising cost of living and the shrinking buying power of the Iranian currency. Since government subsidies were cut in December 2010, the price of gasoline rose by 75% and the price of diesel fuel rose by a whopping 2,000%. Water and electricity rates have substantially increased and the price of certain loaves of bread quadrupled. Ironically, the drastic economic measures taken by Ahmadinejad -- cutting the annual $100 billion subsidies -- was an economically sound move. But in a country that was already under economic siege created by the debilitating sanctions and embargo imposed by the U.N over Iran's nuclear plans; the move was too big to swallow. Add to this fray the morality police who crack down on those whose dress or behavior flout their interpretation of Islam. Add the suppression of any opposition and the government's tight control of the media -- then little wonder that all that was needed was a spark in that tinder box.

At this time, it appears that the regime could survive the current political turmoil. The Iranian government made sure that no opposition leader could emerge and lead. The Egyptian demonstrators had a focused message of freedom, and succeeded. Save for sporadic violent interventions of the Egyptian police, the secret service, and the massive power of the military, they stayed out of the conflict. Their lack of support doomed Mubarak. In Iran the situation is different. The regime has its own might -- the Revolutionary Guard -- IRGC. Officially the Guards' role is to prevent internal rebellious powers including the Iranian military, from overthrowing the regime. The IRGC has more than 150,000 soldiers including air and naval forces. The IRGC controls the paramilitary Basij militia with 100,000 active personnel. The IRGC operates mostly off the Iranian budget particularly since it has developed into a multibillion-dollar business empire. Therefore, they are not subject to budget cuts and their loyalty to the current regime in unfettered.

Fars News Agency, the semiofficial Iranian news agency announced yesterday that "the elements of unlawful assembly hypocrites, monarchists, thugs and intrigue in some streets of Tehran with a pretext to support the people of Egypt and Tunisia, held slogans in support of the people of Egypt and Tunisia." That's all. The Romans coined a phrase "Iuppiter iratus ergo nefas" (Jupiter, you're angry therefore you're wrong.) Some attribute it to Prometheus and the full version is: "Jupiter, you seize on a lightning instead of answer, therefore you are wrong". Isn't that what the Iranian government is doing? Calling the protestors by names, as if they were in the fifth grade exchanging words in the schoolyard, revealing the regime's anger, but providing no answers? Following the old Persian custom of avoiding direct answers when the situation is uncomfortable, the Iranian government is busy calling names and accusing foreign powers in mongering the civil unrest, as if the trouble will go away by using words. The brutal force used by the government may succeed this time, but the brewing discontent of the Iranian lower and middle classes will erupt again.

 
 
 
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SheilaKhani
can't read between the lines
06:21 PM on 02/16/2011
Protesters chants were all about the supreme leader, Khamenei. For the protesters, Ahmadinejad is a no body. He's been made big in the Western media.
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Rubiconski
On Crisis Standby Mode
05:58 PM on 02/16/2011
Right....Iranians can't wait to return to the days of the Shah when upper classes could make slaves out of the lower classes.
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koroush1336
An human rights activist and totally anti-mullahs,
12:23 PM on 02/17/2011
You are some 32 years behind. The monarchy is gone for good! Didn't you know that?
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koroush1336
An human rights activist and totally anti-mullahs,
11:13 AM on 02/16/2011
To give a simple answer to a rather complicated question, would be both easy and hard! If you want to know the ultimate answer, I can asure you that the OVERTHROWING of the mullahs has started long time ago but if you want to know about the timing, I can tell you VERY SOON. All the EVIDENCES are showing that the mullahs' END is very near.
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Hass
03:29 PM on 02/16/2011
...and another 30 years passes in the meantime..
05:23 PM on 02/17/2011
You wish. 
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koroush1336
An human rights activist and totally anti-mullahs,
12:08 PM on 02/17/2011
There is an assurance that the mullahs' regime is at its end, very soon.
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Robert Frank
My last name is FRANK so thats what I am..
10:46 AM on 02/16/2011
hopefully someday the mullahs will be ousted for the frauds that they are and Iran will rejoin the 21st century
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koroush1336
An human rights activist and totally anti-mullahs,
11:17 AM on 02/16/2011
There is no doubt about your wish which the wish of all freedom loving people all around the world.
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Hass
03:30 PM on 02/16/2011
Iran sends satellites into space and is advanced in nanotechnology and stem cell research. They're way into the 21st century
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BcemXAHA
אני כלום בלעדיהם
04:46 PM on 02/17/2011
How about freedom to it's people, just how 21st century are they in that department?
05:00 PM on 02/17/2011
they are the number 1 country on earth in terms of brain drain, and are at least 20 years behind the west in nanotechnology and biotechnology
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Wozzeck
Pearl Bay, Australia
09:58 AM on 02/16/2011
The recent Charney Poll of Iranians disproves your thesis that they will enlist in the regime change campaign led by Israel, the CIA, MEK, and assorted monarchist groups:

http://www.ipinst.org/images/pdfs/cr_iran_2010_survey_frequency_questionnaire.pdf

BTW, the pollster is an occasional contributor to the Weekly Standard and the WSJ.
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Richard Pearce
Atheistic-agnostic Canadian polymath
11:22 AM on 02/16/2011
Wozzeck, thank you for the link, had someone claim that the WPO surveys were too dated to be of much reliability, and yet this shows the opinions of Iranians towards their government, and their future under the Iranian system reains favorable.
05:25 PM on 02/17/2011
When choices are freely given without threat of torture, death and rape... we'll see. 
06:30 AM on 02/16/2011
No. The regime in Iran, like China, will simply not allow protests as they did in Egypt. 300 deaths in there amounts to a bloodless revolution relatively speaking. Won't happen in Iran.
04:16 AM on 02/16/2011
Re: The active meddling of Iran in Lebanon and Gaza cost the Iranian tax payers billions of dollars and in return Iran gets to be on the world's list of pariah states.

Iran gets much more than that. They get foreign (Lebanese and Palestinian) sharp shooter shooting into the crowd, beating the Iranian kids, and raping and torturing them in jails. There are numerous reports that say the gov't representatives on the streets are Arab speakers. Khomeini started this trend and the mullahs have used it ever since.
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Shingo
05:48 AM on 02/16/2011
Foreign sharp shooter shooting into the crowds? According to what evidence? What's wrong with Iranians? Can't they shoot straight?

What Iran do is childs play compared to what Israelis do. Killing protesters, especially children is a specialty with the IDF.

"There are numerous reports that say the gov't representa­tives on the streets are Arab speakers."
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Richard Pearce
Atheistic-agnostic Canadian polymath
09:53 AM on 02/16/2011
Usually by people ignorant of the diversity within Iran (a northwestern Iranian is going to sound foreign to a lot of north Tehranis)
02:01 PM on 02/16/2011
Israel hasn't killed nearly as many Palestinians as Iran has killed Iranians.

During the green revolution last year, there were numerous reports coming out of Iran that the "basij" were speaking Arabic. Iranians don't speak Arabic, they speak Persian.
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SheilaKhani
can't read between the lines
06:23 PM on 02/16/2011
Where do you get your information about the foreign shooters? Basijis are not foreigners, they are Iranians. The foreigner thing is a myth, dear.
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03:38 AM on 02/16/2011
The Chinese clearly demonstrated the effectiveness of violent suppression at Tiananmen. And look at the price they paid! :))
06:41 AM on 02/16/2011
Really? What price? Google Tiananmen Square in China. Never happened. Maybe you were being sarcastic.
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JakeAZ
You can see my MACRO-bio for a small fee.
08:27 AM on 02/16/2011
And they continue to be so paranoid they've blocked "Egypt" from search engines.
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Shingo
07:15 PM on 02/16/2011
Are you in Tehran?
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DAE
02:19 AM on 02/16/2011
How do the ayatollahs and their sycophants differ from Mubarak and his cronies? The only difference is that they cloak their rapaciousness with the veil of religion. Whether the ayatollahs are sincere in their belief that they have the god-given right to rule and impose their ideology on an entire nation is immaterial, their religion serves them well as they can hoodwink a certain element of the population into believing them. But more and more people are seeing through this religious miasma. The ayatollahs also have the Revolutionary Guards at their disposal. They are comparable to Mubarak's thugs but far greater in number and much more organized, dangerous and lethal. So the Iranians have two strikes against them, a messianic religious sect that holds power versus the secular autocratic leadership in Egypt, and an Iranian state armed with religious zealots who will unleash a wave of terror on their opponents versus a populist army that would not intervene in Egypt. Unfortunately the overthrow of the ayatollahs if it occurs will be a very bloody affair indeed.
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Shingo
05:40 AM on 02/16/2011
"How do the ayatollahs and their sycophants differ from Mubarak and his cronies?"

For a start, the ayatollahs are not being bribed by a foreign government to put the interests of other states ahead of their own.

"The ayatollahs also have the Revolution­ary Guards at their disposal."

Mubarak had the secret police and army at his, at least up until the last demonstrations.

"They are comparable to Mubarak's thugs but far greater in number and much more organized, dangerous and lethal."

On the contrary. Iran's army is poorly equiped, unlike Mubarak who is armed by the US. As for being lethal, Mubarak's forces killed more than 300 protestes, which is more than 300 more than Iran have killed.
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William50
01:37 AM on 02/16/2011
Contrary to the Utopian Democratic view on revolutions they are, unless a first rate power takes on a third or fifth rate power and over throws the government, bloody in the extreme. The United States of America had two civil wars. One is called a revolutionary war but it was the British colony citizens rebelling against the legal English government. The second was between the states, both long and bloody!.
Because of two mostly painless changes in governments brought about because the military allowed them to happen, the world now thinks that the rest of the Arab governments will just fold their tents and go away. But in the rest of the Arab world the government and military are untied in keeping themselves in power. Thus we have marches, then blood shed and then if part of the military breaks away of if an other country (France in the first American civil war) sees an advantage in supplying men and materials to the rebel side a real long lasting war where hundreds of thousands are killed.
The real outcome politically is not clear, the first outcome has already happened in rising oil prices. This will continue and if it goes high enough outside countries will step in because of national interest and calm the Arab lands again.
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Shingo
01:15 AM on 02/16/2011
Hundreds of thousands of protestors in the streets of Tehran and other major Iranian cities? I don't think so.

The BBC reported hundreds.
Most sources claimed there was no official count.
04:11 AM on 02/16/2011
Stop spreading BS on these discussion boards. There were photos and videos of tens of thousands on the streets from many media outlets including BBC.
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Shingo
05:42 AM on 02/16/2011
Wishful thinking Keemia.

Sorry, but the photos and videos did not show tens of thousands on the streets. Most showed a few dozen or a few hundred at the most.
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Richard Pearce
Atheistic-agnostic Canadian polymath
09:56 AM on 02/16/2011
If the pictured 'protesters' were indeed 'tens of thousands' strong, then I guess that the Mubarak supporters claims that the Egyptian protesters were foreign sponsored would have merit, seeing as they obviously exceeded the population of Egypt.
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MikeDu
Both salubrious and lugubrious concurrently.
01:11 AM on 02/16/2011
Let's not forget how, in 1932, the U.S. government crushed the Washington veteran "bonus marchers" with tanks, bayonets and flame. Remember Tienamin Square in 1989. Remember U.S. troops firing into the crowd in Bagdad 2003 as thousands of Iraqi citizens came onto the street to protest the occupation. Do not be foolish enough to believe in 'happy endings'. If happy ending ever happen at all they're always provisional.
06:35 AM on 02/16/2011
Exactly. The Egyptian military allowed the revolution. If they reacted like they did in Iran or China or Iraq, Mubarak would still be in power and that 300 deaths figure would likely include another decimal point.

Fanned.
10:17 AM on 02/16/2011
While it is very heartwarming for the people to get rid of Mu barak, in my opinion you think that there has actually been a re volution in Egypt. At present, the same people who ran the mili tary are running the show, the country is under martia l law, and the same military - is - the government, and the consitution for the time is under the wrap of a mili tary gov. also.

People want a democratic gov, in Egypt, and as of yet that has not happened, and, the mili tary will not allow that to happen either, I hope I am wrong, but in my opinion Muba rak sitting on the side is just a show to defuse the pressure and to try to fool the people with the show, and to buy time. And the military is dependent on foreign financial handouts, and therefore influenced by their interests & concerns too. Time will tell.
10:19 AM on 02/16/2011
My comment was specifically in response to your comment "The Egyptian military allowed the revolution­."
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SheilaKhani
can't read between the lines
06:32 PM on 02/16/2011
agreed. Other questions come to mind is if people protesting for freedom really know what they want? Do they have the right leader/s? Especially if they've been under dictatorship for decades and NOT systematically educated about democracy in general. When Iranians voted for the Islamic Republic of Iran, almost a year after Shah was overthrown, the majority voted "yes." After 32 years of anti-democratic gov't, it's clear that they knew nothing about the new Republic. A good revolutionary leader will educate his/her people about the truth in democracy. Where and who is Egypt's leader?
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Carl Caroli
I just don't understand people
10:51 PM on 02/15/2011
The men in black will throw mr. cheap suites under the bus if they have to. No chance of the ayatollahs getting theirs though. They scare the population half to death with one good stare and invocation of the almighty. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.....
10:17 PM on 02/15/2011
could be Bahrain and then the House of Saud..................could happen to a nicer dictator.

china now says it is ready for war to safeguard its national interest. keep an eye on pakistan.

http://nakedempire.wordpress.com/
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William50
01:40 AM on 02/16/2011
China's national interest and India's too could with in a year or so see them moving men, each country could put five million men into the Arab lands to protect the oil. The question then would be who is America for. This is what America has been doing for forty years, keeping a lid on the Arab countries, now that it has begun to blow off extreme measures may be needed.
09:57 PM on 02/15/2011
Is Saudi Arabia next?
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William50
01:43 AM on 02/16/2011
The house of Saudi is also the military arm of the family. If there is unrest and if the troops not of the royal house back the new government yes. But this is one place that most of the people are of the same religion as the government and the government while extremely rich does take care of the people.
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Shingo
05:43 AM on 02/16/2011
Also, the Saudi's have money to burn, so even if they faces demonstrations like Egypt, they could wait it out indefinitely.
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Richard Pearce
Atheistic-agnostic Canadian polymath
11:33 AM on 02/16/2011
And an independant, democratic Saudi Arabia could let the Iranians turn the sanctions table on the US by supporting something like a ban on the sale of oil to companies that do business with countries that give charitable donation status to the funding of Israeli war crimes.
 
So the US will look the other way while the Saudi regime crushes any protests, even ones that aren't calling for their overthrow (for instance, people who are protesting the lack of a government response to their city being flooded).
 
Think not?  They already have.