Courage and Results
No one is convicted. The right wing spin doctors raise money off the very name Murtha but what really came out of the Haditha investigations? Not what you think. Anbar Province in late 2005 was a hot bed of Sunni resistance and insurrection. Indeed, many in the military considered the Province to be ungovernable. The fighting was daily and deadly but on November 19, 2005, in the town of Haditha, Anbar Province, Iraq an incident took place best described in a New York Times editorial, A Hard Look at Haditha, 4 June 2006:
...A roadside bomb struck a Humvee traveling in the vicinity, killing one of the marines on board, and sometime later 24 Iraqi civilians were gunned down, many in their homes. The victims included women, children and grandparents...
What REALLY became of Murtha's comments is outlined in the New York Times article, Military to Report Marines Killed Iraqi Civilians, 26 May 2006:
In an unusual sign of high-level concern, the commandant of the Marine Corps, Gen. Michael W. Hagee, flew from Washington to Iraq on Thursday to give a series of speeches to his forces re-emphasizing compliance with international laws of armed conflict, the Geneva Conventions and the American military's own rules of engagement.
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Great post Hal !!
Hal, thank you for the post.
It seems clear that some people posting comments have missed the point.
We need strong leaders who put the country first and who are totally dedicated to the truth, even when the truth is ugly or it isn't consistent with popular opinion.
I would suggest that every Congress person that isn't paid off, to vote for Impeachment. All four of them.
You mean the truth that even the NY Times pointed out. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/26/us/politics/26ads.html?ex=1380168000&en=ee77cec5c6225e9d&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink
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You got it. Folks like Yermammy are a huge part of the problem. They are frightened and try to say "everyone else does it too". No one is perfect but there are standards. When people like yermammy here dispose of those standards you get corruption etc. That leads right into the old saying about evil thrives when good men do nothing.
The lawsuit has been filed, right? I don't understand the suit, on the date in question several events led to the killing of civilians attempting to surrender and then at least one of the Marines urinated on a corpse - either that happened or Sgt. Cruz' testimony is false.
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Ben this whole thing, as I said, was wound up by effete spin masters like O'Reilly. It is they who spun this into being about the marines and not about the tactics and the facts that our troops were being placed in completely untenable positions. Near as I can tell they all got immunity to learn the real story. But Murtha's point was that the marine corp tactics were increasing resistance and aiding recruiting by Al Q. The real bottomline outcome of Congressman Murtha's comments are fewer dead marines, fewer dead Iraqi civilians and fewer recruits for Al Q. Murtha is paying a hell of a price but he is standing his ground and I thank him.
I am plagued by the murder rape and immolation of a 14 year old girl, the murder of her sister, and the point blank execution of their parents. This was premeditated and it was carried out by a group of traffic site soldiers. I listen to the people of America talk about these soldiers as our "best" and shudder to think. How is any of this different than what Slobodan Milosevic was to be convicted for?
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Quite a bit different actually. Murtha's point was that when you continually push good people into harms way without proper guidance and little support including rest and relief with no end in sight those people break. That is why integrity and honesty are valued so highly by the military. We know that the line between the barbarian and the warrior can be extremely thin.
THANKS, HAL
I AGREE. WE NEED STRONG LEADERS. I HOPE, UNDER OBAMA, THIS WAR WILL BE OVER, QUICKLY.
CAN YOU SEE, PALIN, IN CHARGE? SHE SHOULD PULL OUT AND GO HOME AND TAKE CARE OF HER FAMILY.
WHAT A VERY BAD CHOICE FOR MCCAIN. WHAT WAS HE THINKING.
NO LEADERSHIP IN GOVT. BUSH NOT TAKING THE BLAME FOR THE RECENT DEBACLE. EVERYTHING WAS "SOUND" IN MAY, ACCORDING TO HIM.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOUR OPINION
BEST
Just love how you liberals jump to believe something bad about our military.
I find the right wing near-religious fetishism of the military disturbing.
Vegas,
just love how you conservatives jump to believe that everything the military does it right.
How many years did you serve in OUR military?
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Some are but those change nothing. And the timing is at best suspect. The marines should be putting lawsuits against O'Reilly rather than another marine. Sadly, politics are in play here far more than principal.
HAL:
Do you support McCain who jumped on the attack Murtha bandwagon?
Do you suppport McCain who has lied so much during this campaign one wonders if McCain was telling the truth about whether he really was offered the opportunity to leave Vietnam before the other troops were released?
Do you support McCain who picked Palin in his quest to win an election at any cost?
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Is this a serious question? It is extremely sad to see the elderly senator from Arizona going out this way. Rightly or wrongly, the man had a reputation for honesty and integrity - that is now completely gone. The Economist (a conservative magizine) asked where the real McCain has gone. In his biography, he admitted that he had put party before country and constituents - now he does it all the time. Sad, very sad to see. I support Obama fully and assist with veterans for Obama
Let us wait until the lawsuits against Murtha are filed.
Already been done:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101345.html
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