I'm going to say this as simply as possible. There is a great deal of confusion out there about the stimulus. Let's clear it up.
The United States Economy is Broken down into four sectors. Personal Consumption Expenditures, Gross Private Investment, Net Exports and Government Spending.
The chart above represents personal consumption expenditures. The orange line shows the year over year change. Notice it has been decreasing since July 2007 and has been posting declines 7 of the last 8 months.
Above is a graph of the percentage change from preceding quarters in personal consumption expenditures. It is inflation adjusted. Notice that for the last two quarters, personal consumption expenditures have decreased.
Above is a chart for the percentage change real in gross private domestic investment from the preceding quarter. This number has been weak for 8 of the last 11 quarters. In other words, investment has been decreasing for some time.
The US is a net importer. That means we don't have any exports.
That leaves government spending to pull us out of the hole. It's that simple.
Given the charts above in personal consumption expenditures and gross private domestic investment, what do you think the chances are of the consumer spending again (in the face of massive losses from the housing and stock market and with the massive increase in lay-offs over the last year) or business investing again? In other words, this isn't that complicated.
Read Part I of "Why the Stimulus Is Needed" here.
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Senate Stimulus Bill (Full Text)
Updated on February 8 The pdf is now available. * * * * * Updated on February 8 The compromise Senate stimulus bill has been...
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Obama says differences shouldn't delay stimulus
WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama said Monday that "very modest differences" over a massive package to revive the economy should not delay its swift passage,...
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Obama White House Losing Patience On Stimulus
Underscoring the reality that GOP opposition to the stimulus seems firmly entrenched, the Obama administration mounted a more aggressive stance in favor of the recovery...
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STD Money, Recovery.gov, The Patriot Act: HuffPost Readers Dig Through The Stimulus
More money to battle STDs. Recovery.gov stripped out. A nod to the Patriot Act. Huffington Post readers have taken a preliminary look at the Senate...
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Top Dem Senator: "Hundreds Of Billions More" Needed For Bank Bailouts
Sen. Kent Conrad, chairman of the Budget Committee, warned Monday that the financial sector would need "hundreds of billions more" in federal dollars before the...
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Senate Looks To Boost Mass Transit, Highway In Stimulus
WASHINGTON — The Senate voted Tuesday to give a tax break to new car buyers, setting aside bipartisan concerns over the size of an economic...
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Where Is The Stimulus Shock And Awe?
During a November 25 press conference, then President-elect Obama promised "a new spirit of ingenuity," declaring that the "old ways of Washington simply can't meet...
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Stimulus, Yes; Bank Bailout II, No
If Obama does his job he will mobilize public opinion and isolate Republicans who would rather sink the economy than give a Democratic president legislative success.
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Economic Stimulus: Investing in Vets Delivers a Huge Bang for the Buck
As the Senate begins to debate the stimulus package this week, our elected leaders must ensure that any plan fully supports the newest generation of veterans and their families.
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Bipartisanship Fetishism vs. What's Best for America: Obama Needs to Choose
At tonight's press conference, CBS's Chip Reid asked President Obama about whether, given the lack of bipartisanship on the stimulus bill, the White House was "moving away" from its "emphasis on bipartisanship?" Obama replied that his "bottom line when it comes to the recovery package" is: does it create or save jobs? That's good to hear because the president's actions over the last couple of weeks have left many wondering whether bipartisanship, rather than what's best for America, has been his priority. Perhaps there will come a day when the Venn diagrams of the Republican Party and the national interest actually intersect. But, at the moment, we find ourselves with a GOP whose leaders believe, among other things, that government jobs are not real jobs, and that Obama's stimulus plan is "the socialist way." Hard for bipartisanship to flourish in this kind of atmosphere.
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Billionaire For A Day: A More Entertaining Economic Stimulus Package
Let's do something to capture all Americans attention and by doing so make the economic stimulus package real to all of us: 800 Americans will each win a billion dollars.
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Palin's Facebook Page: Opposes Obama's Stimulus Plan
We learn on Facebook that Palin has "serious concerns" with Obama's stimulus package. Say what?
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Just imagine: What if McCain Had Won the Election and Obama had Shafted him During the Stimulus Debate?
Um, are McCain's feelings after losing an election the big question on people's minds in the nation? I think the stimulus package is the focus of the country right now, don't you?
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Stimulate Me!
Experts seem relatively unified, if such a thing is possible, on the issue of direct economic stimulus to every taxpayer. They're against it.
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Where's Ross Perot When You Need Him?
I'm ready for a little old fashioned Ross Perot specification of the expected outcomes of the stimulus package. This is what we call in education a "teachable moment."
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Rahm Throws Pelosi Under The Bus To Save Stimulus Bill
The story of the morning seems to be that the Obama team is unhappy with Nancy Pelosi and the House committee chairs for delivering up such a liberal, pork-laden bill that they themselves really had nothing to do with.
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Our Twin Crises
That we are unable to manage a functioning economy or deal with climate change because rapacious Wall Street traders have disproportionate political clout is a measure of our political dysfunction.
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Creating Jobs Is Not "Wasteful"
America voted for a change of direction last November, not more of the same. Republicans should listen to the American people and work in a bi-partisan fashion to help get our country on the road to recovery.
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Oh, About That "End" of the Obama Honeymoon ...
Where Obama may have made a mistake is in being too substantively accommodating with people who are basically not going to support him except in the event of an extraterrestrial invasion.
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Patriotic Extortion
Imagine if the Democrats had not pre-capitulated to the Republicans on the stimulus bill. Imagine if they had forced the Republicans to actually mount a filibuster.
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Steele Crazy After All This Year
We are witnessing, not so much the collapse of the Republican Party, as its slide into insanity. What was the GOP's great accomplishment last week? A show of "unity" enough to block the first stimulus package.
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Command and Control?
At a time when the country is virtually pleading with him to exert command and control, he has yielded that role to congressional partisans that the public doesn't quite know and almost certainly doesn't trust.
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House vs. Senate Stimulus Bills
Some highlights: The House version would spend $60 billion more on education -- the Senate version adds more than $100 billion for tax cuts to individuals and families.
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A Better Stimulus for the Economy
The problem with our economy is not weak spending, which is just a symptom of our predicament. The root problem is lack of confidence in the future.
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The Truth About the Stimulus Package
Until other countries are willing to do their share to stimulate the global economy, the Obama administration is right to lift our boat first.
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Operation Zero Cred
The GOP with Joe the Plumber on the Hill this week to discuss the economy. They should be summarily shut out of this process -- whether or not the president wants them out.
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Stimulus Package: If You Jump Halfway Across a Chasm You Fall Into the Abyss
If we are going to spend two trillion dollars (and most likely more) trying to deal with the economic crisis, shouldn't we do it right?
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Change vs. Bipartisanship: What Happens When You Throw a Bipartisan Party and Half the Guest List Stays Home?
The problem with a message of bipartisanship is that it makes it very difficult to tell the story of why things are so bad that we need dramatic change.
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Delusional or Just Cynical?
A good example of the "frothing at the mouth" reaction to the stimulus plan is a blog penned by Jonathan Tobin, Executive Editor of Commentary.
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Obama Financial Team to Taxpayers: You'll Get Nothing, and Like It
There's nothing that prevents the public from getting their fair share of any future bank profits appropriate to the high risk investment they are being forced to make.
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No, Seriously: Republicans Don't Get It
Investment in bike paths will not only improve our economy, and take our country in the right direction for the future; it is exactly the kind of investment the American people want.
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Obama's Wake-Up Call
Even as unemployment hits 7.6 percent and shows no signs of slowing any time soon, the GOP is falling over itself to protect the ostentatious privileges and prerogatives of a few financial potentates.
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Selling Stimulus
What the administration needs, and what its senior advisers proved so adept at during the campaign, is a simpler, more compelling, campaign-style message for what this legislation is really about.
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A New Movement
There is a movement to strip billions of dollars from the stimulus bill led by Ben Nelson of Omaha (whose Democratic status is debatable) and Susan Collins (Republican) of Maine.
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Energy Self-Reliance and Our Future
You want my opinion on a stimulus plan? Follow Ohio's example and invest in American energy. All of it.
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Stimulating
As muddled as this economic stage may be -- and all major measures taken in crisis usually are -- it is born of the drive to reconstruct and not profiteer, and that alone is progress to applaud.
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Bipartisanship (is) for Dummies
The idea that we can turn this economy around by caving to the feckless demands of those who screwed it up in the first place is utterly bankrupt.
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Obama: Use This And the Jobs Bill Will Pass With a 100 Vote Margin
Our best salesman is Obama. There is no house or senate member who this president cannot roll over.
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Pulling the Wool Over Our Eyes
The American people elected President Obama in record numbers to lead our country in a new direction, if the Republicans aren't willing to join him, the least they can do is get out of his way.
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Obama to Speak Monday Night on Stimulus While Rep. Pete Sessions Says Republicans Are the New Taliban
If the media hadn't acted so irresponsibly the past two weeks and President Obama hadn't tried to be so bipartisan, he might not have had to take to the airwaves, but that's not the case anymore.
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Our Phone Calls Are Working, Don't Let Up!
If representatives know that's what their constituents want, they will be both more inclined to keep that critical public investment from the House bill, and act with the speed.
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Obama Undermines Jobs Mandate For the Sake of Bipartisanship
Roosevelt had the New Deal, Kennedy had the New Frontier, Johnson had the Great Society, and Obama has...the stimulus plan. An abstract goal with fungible components that valued process above all else.
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Lions Coach Up Steelers on Stimulus Package
How can anyone take the GOP seriously on economic policy? Agree or disagree on their philosophy; their record is demonstrably terrible. They are the Detroit Lions of Congress.
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Republicans Say They'd Support the "Right" Stimulus Bill, But Stimulus for Them Is Only More Tax Cuts
If you look closely at what the Republicans are saying, this isn't a debate on the merits of this stimulus legislation, but rather another round of policy battles fought during last year's campaign.
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Democrats in Congress Need to Learn How to Lead
I am losing patience with congressional Democrats' innate instinct to capitulate, something that has been evident since the November 2006 mid-term elections.
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And another thing, Do you really think that repugs are sitting around talking about how to destroy America? It is sillly ,silly, silly. That kind of talk does nothing to move anyone forward.
A national sales tax could pay for everything. A tiny tax on each and every stock market transaction could pay for the stimulus package. Every put, every call, every buy, every sell, could require a tenth of one percent tax that goes to the feds to pay for the stimulus. That would be trillions each year.
remember the bridge that fell down up north and the infrastructure failures down south during katrina? Everything that is old and crumbling must be fixed. who could be against that? What, do you want to drive over a bridge that is collapsed because you didn't want to spend the money? Who thinks like that?
7000 dollar waste baskets are OK but roads and bridges are just too expensive. Are you kidding?
To those who think that stimulus equals pork. Grow up.
Here's why the stimulus is needed. Florida's economy is in the tank. Small businesses are folding everyday. Tallahassee is cutting and has cut thousands of teachers jobs, schools are on the chopping block to be closed and consolidated with larger schools. Which is leading to over crowded classrooms once again. I don't know if anyone realizes, but Florida is around 48th out of 50 states in education. That is ridiculous and due to guess who? Another Bush. Florida needs that money to put our construction workers back to work, to put decent and well paid teachers back in the classroom, cops back on the streets - does any one realize that deputies and cops are cherry picking what crimes to look into due to lack of resources? My small business is hanging on by a thread because people who actually are still working aren't spending money. Guess what REpubs...if our business goes under, there go 6 employees with a total of about 18 mouths just left hungry due to obstructionism, and I won't be happy.
The stimulus will not work. It will not solve the problem. It will only delay the inveitable. Anybody who thinks that we will be saved should also pray to God because that is about the same thing. Talk into the air and hope some super being will hear you. Hahahaha. The stimulus is as much garbage as what caused the stimulus to be needed. It is interesting to note that the real problem IE: the difference between housing prices and what they are really worth is not being discussed at all. This is the real problem at the root of the crisis. Basically nobody wants to get caught holding the bag and taking the loss. Believe me, someone will be taking the loss. The real question is who and when. We are really in a mini-depression at this point but no one wants to see it. This is no longer a recession. The so called stimulus will only prop up wastefull and degenerate state governments who will not make cutbacks but instead will now rely on federal welfare to make up for their stupidity. What a bunch of dunces!
The government does not have the cash to bail anyone out so to speak. They can only borrow money and then they will need a bailout. None of this will really work. It will stop some of the bleeding for a while but not for long.
>>None of this will really work. It will stop some of the bleeding for a while but not for long.
I would put it more this way, It will give a transfusion to the bleeding economy without fixing the arterial bleeding.
I would say, though that about 25% of it will work, while the other 75% will cause more problems as written.
The most effective way to stimulate spending is to give every employee a pay raise.
It is unusual for people who had received a pay raise to save the money.
The question is how to raise the pay of employees when business is
tanking. Cutting corporate taxes would only enrich the corporation and
perhaps, management. This has to be done on condition that the money saved
would be distributed to employees in the form of a pay raise.
Let's skip collecting income taxs for one year. Than everybody would be a winner. The government spends what it wants to, not based on taxes collected. The government won't even miss it.
I saw Senator Kyl on TV trumpeting the GOP successes in rebuttal to Mr. Obama’s indictment of the tired old failed polices of yesteryear. He stated that no one is saying the tax cuts of 2003 were not beneficial. Mr. Kyl, like most of the GOP, fails to understand what the word sustainability means. A house of cards is a beautiful thing when the wind is not blowing. Add a Northerly wind to a room containing a house of cards and you are left with a mess to clean up. This is what many are missing in Mr. Obama’s words at the inauguration and since he took office.
Republican’s like to talk about their children’s future and their grandchildren’s future. Their theory is...if I can open the floodgates on the moment that is now and pad my coffers, I take care of the next generation. Those who are most in position to receive a drenching from an opening of the floodgates are those closest to the gates. Positioning in the now is everything in any economy. If you are rich now, then an opening of the gates of prosperity via tax cuts is certain to benefit. But if you are struggling now, you are left to hope that when those who were drenched start to shake the excess off -- you might get wet too -- trickle down or lean forward to catch the misty spray of prosperity...on the wind.
Kyl is a bought and paid for stooge who would rather stroke his ego then do anything for the working man. He's a perfect example of why we need to continue to educate everyone around us as to why this next election needs to send the majority of Rethugs home packing... For good.
Excellent post.
If anybody needs a good reason to work against this repubican obstructionist disaster, take a look at this:
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In the words of Thelma on Good Times -- Right On!
Mr. Obama said no quick-fix and jobs. He implied transformation -- in terms of addressing large problems that continue to loom for a young nation. Some of which have loomed for decades, such as energy independence, ecological peril, educational negligence, workforce depletion through educational negligence, and the slipping of aggregate intelligence, due again...to educational negligence.
As it relates to the future for children, no spending is more important than spending that insures they have a healthy environment in which to take advantage of an educational system...ready, willing, and able to help them be the best that they can be, to manifest the best in themselves and thereby benefit society. For young adults, no spending is more important than spending that allows access to higher education. (White collar jobs are being lost but not at the same rate as unskilled labor. The market is all about value and if you have no skills it is going to be increasingly difficult to access the market. The Republicans see anyone who cannot currently access the market as either non-existent or a vote to manipulate through wedge issues...all the while real life goes slipping.)
The Republicans say that any instance of struggle is your fault and your responsibility. They say this in all cases that does not reward their true and limited constituency. It’s all about money and ain’t a damned thing funny...so the song goes. Money as life, life as money, is all the GOP knows.
Isn't it sick how, to have a good economy, we have to spend more? Spend more and use credit. Credit that helped us into this mess that we are experiencing now. And now that we have no money and no credit, we are forced to suffer.
Isn't it curious that so few could bring suffering to so many? Wall Street (New York, London, Paris, Moscow, Beijing, et. al.) has shown the deep, systemic, structural flaws at the end of the capitalist rainbow. Those flaws showed themselves at the end of The British Empire and are now manifesting themselves in The American Empire. This is the cyclical epidemic of every capitalist system.
Capitalism is good. The wrong kind of capitalism is bad. There should be limits on everything. Including capitalism.
Isn't it time for change? The same failed people who brought us to this brink are now in charge of managing the recovery. Why is that? How much do they stand to make while the rest are impoverished?
Capitalism is not a holy grail. We should stop treating it as so.
More community development.
More infrastructure upgrades and/or redesign.
More investment in scientific research towards solving systemic challenges.
More nurturing of small business as part of community development.
More family outreach to assist in addressing familial dysfunction as societal disease.
More heart in government, and less cruel and sterile, by-the-numbers calculations.
More access to proactive health maintenance, thereby reducing need for reactive care.
Inspire the people and they will do more than die for the state, they will live for the state, strengthen the state, and protect it at all costs.
More ethics and transparency in government to bolster trust in government and diminish pessimism.
More honesty and fairness in business practice.
The business must profit but markup of 200% or selling a product of no value thru glitzy ad campaigns that dupe is unsustainable tilting of the prosperity table in the direction of manipulators, shysters, and those who have digested the information by which the system can be cheated (Madoff). The consumer does not want to fail. But the supplier builds an incline and then pours water on that surface and lowers the temperature to freezing, thereby creating the slipperiest of slopes, the quickest of treadmills, that find you running in the same old place if not backwards.
More money for veterans to transition from warrior back to contributing healthy citizen.
Get off the high horse of Party and get on the ground with the people. Together we stand, divided we remain.
Your quote:
Inspire the people and they will do more than die for the state, they will live for the state, strengthen the state, and protect it at all costs.
My quote (and what most people forget):
The People are The State.
Missing in the stimulus package is A Human Investment Tax Credit Program. It could generate up to 6 million jobs as well as 4 million small businesses.
A jobs tax credit was once law for a year and generated more jobs in less time than any previous bill in our history.
The entire group of incentives are part of a 2009 Report. Two versions can be downloaded without charge at aesopinstitute.org
The full Report includes a post-Keynesian economic analysis.
The short version outlines what can be done and how Congress might consider doing it.
Looking at those charts frighten me. Even if I squint my eyes I can't make out a cup or a handle. I want my mommy.
Yes, we need it but the stimulus will only address the first problem below. A complete long-term fix will require a restructuring of our culture and economy in the "Small Is Beautiful " way.
That will only happen if we have a complete collapse, so I hope Obama can muddle through.
1. economy needs cash flow to avoid flat-lining
2. default of derivatives might sink the globe -- I am most worried about derivatives. This is an immediate threat and could throw us all the way back to barter.
3. the energy policy we have is like burning money - need to go with solar, etc
4. no manufacturing base left -- consumption sends money out of the country
5. our medical system burns a lot of money - Its like paying another income tax.
Somehow, we need to be able to save money as a nation.
Exhibit A:
"That leaves government spending to pull us out of the hole. It's that simple."
Exhibit B:
"Somehow, we need to be able to save money as a nation."
Exhibit A makes Exhibit B impossible. The Fed prints, regulates and LOANS WITH INTEREST our currency (currently next to worthless if not less) to the US gov't. There is NO WAY we, as a nation, can pay this debt back to the privately owned Fed as a nation that produces less than it consumes. We will only produce more and more debt. The only way we can change this is to nationalize the banking system and back our currency with some material. This won't happen because this was all contrived since the early 20th century and every bit of it planned.
We really need deficit the spending stimulus. We need people to get out, spend money, and keep Starbucks afloat so that those baristas have jobs.
But that is just for now, and maybe twice more. We can't do this annually forever. That is what got us here. The Bush admin did massive deficit spending every year but they bought the wrong stuff. The money evaporated. On paper, residential housing rose from $11T to about $22T but we did not build a new country.
We need to get the right stuff, stuff that will keep on providing use - bikes and streetcars instead of Yukons.
Wars, med system, financial system, planned obsolescence -- Without even thinking in terms of numbers or dollars all these represent the transfer of value away from any long term use.
We have a real problem in econ-speak about terms like waste or saving. The concept of entropy is useful here.
I might add that the price of oil has come down because its price went into hyper bubble mode. The world became flooded with supply with the price so high for so long.
Oil is now too cheap for many sources of oil and sooner or later we will burn through the excess. If government keeps hyperinflating the currency, we will be in a world of hurt when oil becomes somewhat scarce again. The price of oil will go ballistic along with the price of food introducing a world of hurt.
The government needs to be smart with the money it spends.
Oil is irrelavent VERY soon. By year's end we will see a fully capable highway safe electric car for the consumer which would be capable of traveling 250 miles on a single charge. Oil supplies will soar over the next 2-3 years and during that time a steady decline in demand as the cars are produced and bought up by the public. Bye Bye OPEC.
Gold is over $900 per ounce and silver is over $13 an ounce.
FDR had the luxury of deflation, and even more importantly he had the luxury of deflation in food prices.
We do not have the luxury of deflation, and prices at the grocery store are in serious danger of going completely ballistic. Commodities have come down hard but not grocery prices. THis is a very dangerous situation.
We had best be very careful how this stimulus is spent as massive government spending and bailouts is extremely inflationary.
Most importantly the stimulus better make damn sure that people have enough to eat. If government is smart a big chunk of this stimulus better go to the social safety net or the population might throw this government out like France did during their revolution. It could get very ugly the way the government is throwing money around not worrying about the value of the dollar.
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