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GOP Foreign Policy Debate: Dime-Store Neo-cons

Posted: 11/23/11 10:43 AM ET

Tonight's GOP presidential foreign policy debate hit some new lows for accuracy and some surprising glimpses of nuance -- but lacked completely a larger sense of strategy or vision from the candidates. Major issues were virtually ignored -- China, defense strategy, nuclear weapons, the Arab Spring and Middle East Peace, the Eurozone crisis, to name a few. Candidates seemed to shrink back from calls for immediate war with Iran and be looking for ways to maximize military approaches (covert action) without admitting openly that they would start more conflicts and send troops abroad again, something Americans of all political stripes now strongly oppose. Below, themes for the water cooler tomorrow and, in all likelihood, the weeks to come.

"The War Continues." Nope, not Afghanistan, hardly mentioned after a Huntsman-Romney exchange, or Iraq, not mentioned at all. Ron Paul's exchanges with Gingrich and Romney highlighted a debate which rages, in a different form, among Democrats as well: are we still "at war;" what does that mean; who is it legitimate to put under extra scrutiny and what means - from profiling all the way to torture, as Senator Ayotte and others have suggested - are appropriate against them? The debate took on a strong libertarian vs. mainstream conservative cast, completely failing to reference what law enforcement and military officials say works: targeting threats, not identities, combining military action to decimate Al Qaeda's leadership, intelligence to discover and prevent plots, and law enforcement to do shoe-leather work and bring would-be perpetrators to justice while denying them the status of warriors they crave. And then there were the attacks on American Muslims, and the cheering from the crowd, both profoundly disrespectful to a community that is here to make a better life like every other, and profoundly counterproductive in fighting terror effectively.

Unexpected appearance of nuance. Bachmann on the need to continue aid to Pakistan because bit is too big to fail, Gingrich on the need for the family values party not to let immigration enforcement tear apart families that have been here for decades, Santorum on the value of foreign aid for preventing the need for military involvement: Several candidates took unexpectedly complex positions on issues -- in each case, issues with which they are more familiar through long service in Congress. Each took flack on it from her or his competitors, but the overall dynamic underlines just how far-removed the GOP debates are from the realities of policy-making -- both the complexity of the world we live in and the far-from-infinite options available to a Commander-in-chief who must make the security of all Americans, not rhetorical swipes, his or her top priority.

Or was that waffling? Romney talked transition for Afghanistan without a timetable and tried to talk tough on Syria without supporting Perry's no-fly zone. His China rhetoric continued to dodge his past opposition to punitive measures against China. Gingrich, who was on both sides of the debate around NATO action in Libya, now wants to use covert action to topple Syria's rulers.

Iran, Iran, Iran, and Syria. From the amount of attention lavished on them, you would think that Iran was a global superpower rather than a country with a bad economy, a political system under siege, and regional capital falling in the wake of the Arab Spring; and that Syria was the leader of the Arab world. Candidates declined to consider that there might be diplomatic or negotiated outcomes to Iran's intransigence on its nuclear program, or - with the surprising exception of Herman Cain and the unsurprising exception of Ron Paul - to acknowledge the military and intelligence experts in the US and Israel who have said that a military attack would be unlikely to end Iran's nuclear program and very likely to have massive negative economic and security consequences. More than one might have expected, though, they urged a course of sanctions first. None took up the full-frontal calls for attack now that have been coming from some quarters in the U.S.and Israel, which suggests that their advisers are hearing those concerns privately - or that they've noticed polling which shows Americans' distinct lack of enthusiasm for an Iranian adventure. Only 16% of Americans support an attack now, CNN said today; even among Republicans the number rises only to 22%.

Dishonest and Wrong. So many misstatements I lost track. A few of my favorites: "apology tour," which the WashingtonPost factchecker has already given a full Pinocchio; Herman Cain saying we should cut off the oil exports of Syria, which wouldn't be so dependent on Iran if it had more oil; repeated claims that terrorists in general and Hezbollah/Hamas in particular are infiltrating the US via Mexico, when in fact no third-country national arrested on the Mexican border has yet been charged with terror-related offenses; Mitt Romney's list of alleged Obama "defense cuts," some of which were supported by John McCain and the Tea Party and all of which occurred before the Budget Control Act - in fact the defense budget hasn't yet been cut; questioner Danielle Pletka claiming the Iran has decided to weaponize and is less than a year away, disagreeing with the CIA and IAEA; and of course the particular, glorious bit of crazy about the ACLU running the CIA.

Not Torn From the Headlines. Candidates ducked a direct question on al Shabaab in Somalia and evaded the invitation to talk about Egypt, where dozens of deaths and huge demonstrations in the last 72 hours have placed next week's parliamentary elections and the entire transition in doubt. Moderators and questioners alike failed to bring up the euro crisis, which has the potential to spread to US banks and plunge the economy into another full-on recession; Russia, where Vladimir Putin is poised to return to formal leadership; and the Middle East peace process, or lack thereof..

All Tactics, No Strategy. Newt Gingrich insisted we could find ways to save money on defense; but what is the role of our military now, in five years? What is the role of nuclear weapons? Several candidates insisted that we are still or forever in a global war against violent extremism - how do we win that war? When does it end? How do we change the Iranian regime, as Gingrich proposed, repeatedly, and what do we do after a military attack? How should foreign policy be helping improve the lives and employment prospects of Americans? What would the candidates' strategy toward China be? What about other new global powers such as Turkey, India, Brazil? How do we understand the Arab Spring, as Egyptians once again sacrifice their lives demanding democratic civilian rule, and how should the US respond? Above all, what would the "next American century" that Romney and others promise look like?

From the euro crisis to the Israeli-Palestinian standoff to the violent response to protestors in Syria and now, again, Egypt to the failure of the Super Committee, governments everywhere are lacking the political courage but also the policy tools to fashion meaningful responses to existential challenges. And publics everywhere, at the risk of over-simplifying, are responding with simple anger: we're not going to tell you how to fix it, but we want it fixed.

It isn't entirely clear that all the GOP candidates even see this unnerving pattern. But it is quite clear they don't have answers.

 

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Phil Van Voorhis
10:36 AM on 11/25/2011
I mean IRAN. My bad. Coffee hasn' t kicked in!
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Phil Van Voorhis
10:32 AM on 11/25/2011
Don't underestimate these neocons. The have tremendous support from the defense industry, APAC, big oil and millions of foriegn policy hawks. They have resurfaced on queue, and are fear-mongering their next target -Iraq. All they need is another Puppet in the White House and the right pretext (which they are more than capable of manufacturing), and we will be headed into another war we cannot afford. Iraq - the crown jewel. Here we go again!
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09:22 AM on 11/25/2011
I think Ron Paul would be a cabinet asset in a capacity similar to Richard Cohen in the Clinton administration. He doesn't seem to hate as much as the others ,yeah I know what those dogs in the audience at another debate cheered him for.
12:25 AM on 11/24/2011
Ron Paul seems to be the only incorruptible person in Washington anymore. While some of his beliefs on what would be his desire in an ideal world are understandably easily dismissed, he represents what could be the first time in Modern History that the United States could experience real change. With a deep understanding of both economic and monetary policy, and a foreign policy that could restore America's reputation around the world as well as stall the age old question we sometimes ask ourselves, "why do we have to be the policemen around the world when we have so many problems at home?"... Ron owes no establishment or special interests anything and is probably exactly what America needs right now, and if the GOP doesn't embrace him, America might lose it's last chance to elect a man who really stands for liberty. He could go down as one of the greatest.
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mrman
I am an OBAMA SUPPORTER!.
03:44 PM on 11/23/2011
That is in fact what happened, and it was as decisive a diplomatic victory as anyone is likely to see. Congratulations should go to President Obama and his national security team. The State Department, the Department of Defense and the White House have clearly been working effectively together on an intensive and complex strategy. They avoided leaks, they coordinated effectively with half a dozen countries, they deployed a range of instruments of power. In the field of foreign policy, this was a coming of age of the Obama administration and it was conceived and executed about as flawlessly as these things ever can be.
...Walter Russel Mead/The American Interest
01:44 PM on 11/23/2011
You are wrong, Ron Paul, although he might deny it, offers the only alternative for anyone espousing a progressive ideology. Ron Paul's positions on personal freedom (Patriot Act, FISA, et al), decriminalizing drug laws, and foreign military adventurism is the only course open. You however are playing the Fox News (and MSM) game of ignoring his positions and giving his ideas an open hearing. The lack of any MSM attention to his presentation and the Progressive Medias lack of support is shameful. Just the savings from decriminalizing drug laws and abandoning our failed foreign military expeditions would fund all of the current and proposed entitlement and welfare programs .
03:24 PM on 11/23/2011
Please explain to me how someone who characterizes himself as libertarian, like Ron Paul, can espouse having the state decide whether a woman must carry a pregnancy to term.
03:54 PM on 11/23/2011
If that is your issue then so be it. I son't need ideological purity. Please consider that the abortion issue is used as a wedge item. Republicans say they are "pro-life" and Dems say "pro-choice", but really very little chqanges on a national level. Also Paul's position is that it is a state by state issue. All said I believe ending the endless Drug Wars, repealing FISA and the Patriot Act (++) and Worldwide military involvement with the associated deaths is the more important causes. The Political Parties are playing you if you vote based on the abortion issue. Even when the Repubs had complete control nothing changed nationally.
07:59 PM on 11/23/2011
The unborn baby is a separate individual with unique DNA.

The current law recognizes that the unborn baby has human rights, and is not a piece of disposable tissue, because if you murder a pregnant woman you can be charged with murdering the unborn child as well.

So why don't you explain why motherhood amounts to a get out of jail free card? Does this not also violate the equal protection clause of the constitution? I can go to jail for causing a woman's miscarriage, but mom can "legally" hire a henchman to do the exact same thing and not face justice.
ByAndForThePeople
and corporations aren't people!
04:08 PM on 11/23/2011
It is true that Ron Paul does espouse (and, undoubtedly, truly believe) some good courses of action, particularly the ones you have cited. But having a few good ideas does not automatically make a person worth supporting for an office as significant as the political leader and commander-in-chief of a nation. Many of Paul's other positions are as foolish, regressive, and even downright hateful as positions coming from the rest of this year's crop of fools. One item in particular, already identified by addisonsteele, is Paul's apparently schizophrenic belief that the Constitution of the United States is intended to prevent the Federal Government from committing atrocities against its citizens, but to allow the several States to commit them at will.
12:44 AM on 11/24/2011
The state cannot violate the Constitution, therefore your point is invalid.
12:33 PM on 11/25/2011
I have never heard Ron Paul state the individual states could or have the right to commit atrocities against their citizens. I admit that their are things that just won't work on a state by state level, because states are historic entities rather than economic ones. However, Ron Paul is the only candidate that supports a real progressive agenda on the big three issues facing the nation, overseas military involvement, costly Drug law enforcement, and personal freedoms (Patriot Act, FISA, etc). The ability of the President to dramatically affect these issues without Congress make Paul the only choice any true liberal/progressive should support.
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12:59 PM on 11/23/2011
Romney's charges of "Hezzbollah throughout" Latin America should have the Organization of Latin American States in an uproar. Latin America is far broader than Chavez or Castro, and none of those countries will stand for aggression, by the US, against any of the others. He is threatening war and intervention against friendly, democratic nations.
Romney wants to have his yellow cake and eat it, too. His dangerous rhetoric must be checked, and proves he is not ready for the office of the presidency.
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12:25 PM on 11/23/2011
The only thing attacking Iran is going to do for us is put us into a depression as the 500 dollar a barrel oil wrecks whats left of the world economy........................
10:14 AM on 11/24/2011
Or, spark WW3. It's seems frightening how willing Washington is to send our troops into harms and kill tens of thousands of people over seas for the sake of a religious battle that is not even ours. They could absolutely care less whether or not the US is bankrupt or whether there is an America for our children, so long as the corporatists and those within the industrial military complex continue to line their pockets.
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Michael D Ballantine
Former Presidential Candidate - Amer Elect 2012
10:59 AM on 11/23/2011
We got a taste but not meal. Huntsman and Paul were the only ones talking seriously about the issues. Romney was pandering so much that I expected him to start handing out money to the audience. The whole Iran discussion was bizarre. What future President would ever commit to make a war on another nation at a public debate without any information? That's an absurd question.

It's time to wake up, we are at war with ourselves not radical Muslims. We need to take a time out, bring the troops home and design a new defense strategy not an offense strategy.