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Romney Gets the Energy Facts Wrong in Wednesday's Debate

Posted: 10/04/2012 8:27 am

The post-debate analysis is in full swing, and while pundits are talking about Governor Romney's aggressive manner and President Obama's subdued performance, the real story is how many times Romney strayed from the facts. On energy issues alone, he not only distorted the truth but he also misrepresented his own positions.

It began when Romney said he supported clean energy. This passing remark came after he spoke at length about expanding oil and gas drilling and building the Keystone XL pipeline for dirty tar sands oil. It also came after he let us know: "I like coal."

I am not surprised Romney paid lip service to clean energy. Nine out of 10 Americans say developing renewable energy should be a priority for the president and Congress, and that includes 85 percent of Republicans and 89 percent of Independents. And two thirds of Americans want to extend tax incentives for clean energy.

But Romney's own positions would thwart the rapidly growing clean energy economy and the tens of thousands of jobs it creating. He wants to kill incentives for wind power--incentives that enjoy strong bipartisan support, perhaps because more than 80 percent of installed wind power comes from Republican-majority states. And his economic plan calls for cutting clean energy investments by 90 percent, down to just $1 billion in 2014.

Romney repeatedly criticized Obama for his clean energy incentives. But once again, his facts were wildly off base. He cited the $90 billion the Obama administration invested in renewable energy projects, energy efficiency measures for homeowners, public transit, and other stimulus projects, and tried to claim that clean energy received more government help than fossil fuels.

The historic record proves otherwise. A study of by DBL Investors found that the oil and gas companies have received $446.9 billion in subsidies (1918-2009) and the nuclear industry scored $185.7 billion (1947-2009). Up until 2009, meanwhile, the renewable sector outside of biofuels had gotten only $5.9 billion.

The $90 billion the Obama administration has invested in clean energy since then has already delivered amazing returns: wind power has doubled in three years, solar power has quadrupled in four years, and more than 1 million homes have received energy-saving retrofits. More than 150,000 Americans have jobs making parts for and assembling clean cars--hybrids, electric cars, and other advanced vehicles that weren't even available 10 years ago. And consumers can find nearly 60 fuel-efficient models in showrooms today--up from 27 in 2009. These cars are putting more money in Americans' pockets and helping American automakers come back from the brink.

Romney tried to ignore this success by saying half of Obama's clean energy investments had failed. That's simply false. While a handful of companies granted loan guarantees have folded, hundreds of other companies are succeeding. In fact, the failure rate for clean energy loan recipients was only 1.4 percent by the end of 2011.

When all the smoke clears and the conversation shifts from style to substance, voters will realize the clear choice before them. One candidate will keep America hooked on the same fossil fuels that have been polluting our air for decades. The other has presided over the largest increase in clean energy in our nation's history and strengthened public health and environmental protections. Those are the facts and hopefully they will garner greater attention as we head into the next debate.

 

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The post-debate analysis is in full swing, and while pundits are talking about Governor Romney's aggressive manner and President Obama's subdued performance, the real story is how many times Romney st...
The post-debate analysis is in full swing, and while pundits are talking about Governor Romney's aggressive manner and President Obama's subdued performance, the real story is how many times Romney st...
 
 
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Smithn
~ 13.7 Billion Years:::: i am not. BANG! I am.
11:33 PM on 10/07/2012
“If you poison the river, the river will poison you: wherever you want to go in the Third World, you will find they all know that.” --Gore Vidal

PS: Romney used illegal debate techniques called 'flooding &/or galloping'* Pass it on.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/janet-ritz/romneys-creationist-debat_b_1941995.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
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02:41 PM on 10/05/2012
The real story is the two presidential candidates discussed energy policy without once mentioning greenhouse gases and global warming. And the moderator Jim Lehrer just sat there and let them get away with it. We have a climate crisis and probably more accurately as scientist James Hansen says a climate emergency. Could this omission have occurred in any other democratic developed country? It seems unlikely. No doubt if third party candidates had been included in the debate we would have heard about global warming and a number of other very important issues that were ignored, To get some idea what the debate would have been like had Green Party candidate Jill Stein and Justice Party candidate Rocky Anderson been on stage go to http://www.democracynow.org/2012/10/4/expanding_the_debate_exclusive_third_party. There you will see an expanded debate with Obama and Romney answering the questions followed by Stein and Anderson answering the same questions. This expanded debate took place the same evening a few miles away from Denver University.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
02:12 PM on 10/09/2012
agreed. If the rest of the presidential candidates had been there, we might have had an actual debates instead of a parade of Mitts lies.

http://www.jillstein.org/issues
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fireofenergy
Promote freedom AND science
09:12 PM on 10/04/2012
Ya, 9 out of 10 want clean energy (and so do I, preferably, mass produced by machine 24/7 for pennies on the dollar to create like 100,000 square MILES of install jobs)... but NEITHER party will allow for it. Obama will use big government (socialist) tactics to prevent it (it's called EXCESS regulations and increased taxation on the rich people who create jobs HERE!)... And Romney will simply erase anything good about such regulations like certain (and rightful) EPA rules.
What we need is a reduction of regs without the "all or nothing" mentality.

See, it's not all about cut spending OR raise taxes...
Instead, we need to utilize that "all or nothing" attitude to wage economic war against any "rich" who do NOT hire here, who use "overseas slaves" and then sell their wares to us. While we're at it, tariff China and company so as to make it easier for the rich to re-hire here in America... Then we will have the money to fix infrastructure, feed the (resulting fewer) poor and finally have a right to say "get off welfare")!
Only then will we be non divided enough (and to have the economic means) to build the next amazing (and almost clean) energy infrastructure!
08:45 PM on 10/04/2012
Romney hanged his dimwitness by pushing distortion and he failed when he said many abstract numbers we all know it is G.W. BUSH FUZZY MATHS, I am sure he impressed fools who wants to hear what they want to hear, he is man of no substance when he has to try to delude his followers and has finaly failed them, no if no buts , Obama will win, I dreamt that over 17 years ago, twice
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grappler1987
Heaven is a gift, not a reward
06:52 PM on 10/04/2012
Focus on oil imports. Imports are the giant sucking sound that are sending jobs overseas.

Unfortunately, Obama targeted coal reduction through natural gas and renewables. Coal is domestic by the way.
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aligatorhardt
Cut on the bias
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grappler1987
Heaven is a gift, not a reward
06:53 PM on 10/06/2012
Asthma?  The DOE disagrees.  American coal power is much cleaner now.  NASA provides corroborating evidence through satellite data.  China's coal on the other hand is very dirty.
Coal = jobs ... ask a coal miner.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
02:17 PM on 10/09/2012
Fossils are piotins the world. We are at the highest CO2 leves in 15 million years. Already abot 600ppm and place causing stiffness and drowsiness in many people.

We are not plants. CO2 is toxic to humans. We evolved with less than 300ppm.

rooftop solar, offshore wind and waste energy and fuels backing it up, charging electric cars, is far cheaper than oil wars, climate change, and 7B people poisoning by CO2.

Without all the breaks, fossils and nukes would fail in the market.

Our fastest growing industry is solar.
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grappler1987
Heaven is a gift, not a reward
04:01 PM on 10/09/2012
"Already abot 600ppm and place causing stiffness and drowsiness in many people.

We are not plants. CO2 is toxic to humans. We evolved with less than 300ppm. " Check your facts. CO2 is just shy of 400 ppm.http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/ OSHA's short term exposure limit is 30,000 ppm and 8-hour exposure limit is 5,000 ppm.http://www.osha.gov/dts/chemicalsampling/data/CH_225400.html
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OldGob
Duncan in So Cal...
06:41 PM on 10/04/2012
I like the way she compares the amounts of subsidies...which she added over almost 100 years and 50 years and compared to what BO did in 3 years...not a very honest approach. If one expanded that amount for Green energy over a few more years it would dwarf the amounts given to petroleum and the nuclear industry... Shame someone could not develop a "windmill" way to draw oil up...for wind generators are a bit more pleasing to the eye, but most people still prefer gas driven cars.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
02:34 PM on 10/09/2012
No, it's totally fair. Fossils and nukes got huge breaks ever since they started.

Total breaks for nukes and fossil are currently 100 times total green breaks.

You won't even see the offshore wind turbines.

Nukes get 500M$ per reactor per year. Clean cola too. Oil gets trillion dollar wars.

Wake up. Money rules. And they don't love us.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
05:03 PM on 10/04/2012
Hey! Lady! If you're pointing out Romney lies, you're going to have to wait. There's a line!
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Roosevelt Democrat
04:27 PM on 10/04/2012
I suppose all that money the federal government spent on hydroelectric doesn't count?
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
02:35 PM on 10/09/2012
not compared to the breaks nukes and fossils get.
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franchise2m
I'm platinum mad!
04:01 PM on 10/04/2012
What is the state of politics in this country when a candidate "wins" a debate by refusing to tell the truth? Isn't this telling politicians that lying is the best way to get elected?

There are literally dozens of bloggers pointing out Romney's fabrications. Virtually every "fact" he cited was incorrect...Ironic coming from someone who claims his opponent has a difficult relationship with the truth.

Correcting his inaccuracies in real time would have taken up the entire debate and then some....where would you even begin...how can you expect a real debate of the issues when one debater supports his arguments with made up "facts" and figures not based in reality?

Romney's strategy looks like it has paid off for now...especially for those who are going to let this debate make up their minds. If they do that, they deserve what they get!

Candidates need to learn to at least TRY to tell the truth...hopefully the American people won't reward this type of campaign!
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neillevine
want to go into waterwheel business
03:59 PM on 10/04/2012
Plenty of water power, especialy waterwheels. Romney, like Dubya Bush, appears to be much better on this than Obama.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
02:36 PM on 10/09/2012
no, 50% of all hydro is already taken, and it will kill the fish in the rivers. It already has.

Solar wind and waste are our only viable greenery sources long term.
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neillevine
want to go into waterwheel business
05:07 PM on 10/09/2012
Hydro Aseociation on their site says only 3% ot existing dams generate electricity. Watewheels are not dams but will also powr a generator very cheaply.
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neillevine
want to go into waterwheel business
09:55 AM on 10/12/2012
Not fond of dams. Do think water should be put to use for public good.
Frank Padia
I can't believe you are saying..these things just
02:49 PM on 10/04/2012
Talk about distorting the facts. Yes all those hybrid and electric cars, that are so expensive, no one buys them (why Chevy dropped the Volt) or they have come under harsh criticism because their batteries have been found to be a much greater long term threat to the environment that gas, oil and coal combined. The author like so many enviornmentalists believes they are smarter and have the right to dictacte the actions of others. The one fact that the author does not seem to want to address is the 90 billion Obama spent on green projects as payback for cronies, like Solyndra could have been used to hire 2 million new teachers. Solyndra, Tesla and all the other Obama funded Green energy projects only benefited the management of the companies who got rich by raiding the taxpayer's wallets. What exactly was the purpose of funding the building of an all electric supercar that only a very small pecentage of American could afford, if not to pay off a political debt? The Volt was a great idea, but due to the stranglehold the UAW has on GM, the cost of car put it out of the reach of most Americans. Over the past 25 yrs GM has done one thing very well. Produce very expensive, poor quality pieces of junk.
04:44 PM on 10/04/2012
What? I just googled "hybrid car sales" and every article that came up was about increasing sales and acceptance. What is that nonsense about Chevy dropping the Volt? Not to mention the fantasy about longterm effects of batteries.

Compare the 90 billion spent on green energy to something comparable - like the trillions spent in Iraq to ensure access to their oil.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
02:41 PM on 10/09/2012
You can eat lithium, Metal hybrid are also low toxicity. Where did you get the idea that extracting fossils forever, is less toxic than minding once and recycling?

Solyandra installed 100MW of solar that will produce over 500M$ worth of clean electricity.

Nukes and clean coal get over 500M#$ per reactor per year in breaks. Nukes have a CBO expected 50% loan default rates, versus 1.5% for green energy.

How much does the 54% of our f taxes bother you?

How much did Cheney's fossils and nukes give aways bother you?

The volts is on of hthe top rated cars in the world.
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ILoveFiction
That's unbelievable!
02:44 PM on 10/04/2012
Romney said

50 x 2.8 is 90

That's right folks in Romney World 140 is actually 90.

Bill! Where are you!

We need some Math over here!
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den1953
The National Inquire of Politics the GOP!
02:00 PM on 10/04/2012
I believe days after the debate most Americans will find out Mitt Romney has continued to BS the American people when it comes to his lies, the longer his performance gets fact checked and taken apart the American people will find out just how magical Mitt Romney's numbers and fact can be! The smoke and mirrors from the Romney campaign will have to be cleaned up and proven before election day, because Americans have been lied to before and it damn near collapsed the economy!
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11:40 AM on 10/04/2012
Republicans don't let the facts get in the way of their message,

This election will decide if the voters care.
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Winthorpe
Need a fourth for squash
10:53 AM on 10/04/2012
Good work, Heather. The president's campaign should hire you.

Here's to clean energy.