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What's Behind the Surge?

Posted: 10/08/2012 9:54 pm

The dramatic Romney surge in the latest Pew poll may have less to do with besting Obama in the first debate than with some dramatic shift in party identification in Pew polls. According to numbers reported by Pew, Democrats fell from 37 percent in the September poll to 32 percent in October while Republicans rose from 28 to 33 percent among registered voters. With such numbers and high support for the nominee among partisans, it's no surprise that Romney leads Obama. With the same partisan breakdown in October as in September, Obama would still be leading, even among likely voters.

So what's behind the Republican surge in party identification? As far as I can tell, the September-October shift is the largest recorded by the Pew trend line. But is it a real surge? If so, Republicans would have scored a partisan realignment of sorts, all in the wake of a terrific debate performance. That seems far-fetched. More likely, the sample for the October poll just ended up with more Republicans and fewer Democrats than before. Maybe because of random luck, or perhaps because Romney's strong and Obama's weak debate performance encouraged Republicans to respond to the poll and discouraged Democrats. Let's see whether other polls also show a seismic shift of the partisan balance right now. If not, the switch in the horse race claimed by the latest Pew poll may not be for real.

 
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Dave F
Former Republican. Liberal = liberty.
02:17 PM on 10/10/2012
Was Romney given good points for his debate performance via the media? Yes. (Not exactly a "liberal media" anymore, is it? But I digress.)

Was Obama panned by the media for his debate performance? Yes, and moreso on late night comedy shows, which influences some people.

Did it change the polls though?

I'd argue "a little." Obama hasn't so much lost support as Romney's gained some. And the Pew poll, while certainly a well-respected outfit, is statistically like to occasionally have outliers. Is this an outlier? Perhaps. I think so. But we'll only know in a week or so, to see if it was the beginning of a Romney surge, or just some rather loud statistical noise.

I think the latter, but again - we'll see. What you won't see from me is, "This must mean the poll is SKEWED!!!"
03:31 PM on 10/09/2012
The common sense approach to polling almost always eludes the party faithful of both parties. A poll can be skewed by a group of pollsters, by the way the questions are framed and by the people who are answering their phones. If you will remember the polls in 2008 did not predict Obama's nearly 10 point win over McCain. There is a very good chance that most people who will vote (for either party) will not answer their phones--at some point. And there is a good chance that the only people who are now answering their phones are a part of the same group that only started paying attention to the Presidential election during the conventions--or during the debate. There is also a very good chance that Right-leaning Republican pundits--most of whom were ready to throw the towel (rack, hamper and all) at Romney the day before the debate--are intoxicated on the fumes left over from their candidate's hard-about to the middle during and after that debate. When those fumes dissipate and the dust settles--the Republicans will be just as split as they were before that debate performance--and the Democrats will be more united behind Obama-Biden than ever before--and their long coat-tails will extend all the way down the ballot.... The actual results of the election(s) are more than just a phone call away....
02:51 PM on 10/09/2012
Can't wait for Hp to update the electoral outlook.
02:42 PM on 10/09/2012
Another Battery factory - this one in Michigan (volt car battery), lays off most of its workforce. Had been given $150MILLION of taxpayers money by Obama. It has not turned out 1 battery! So much for green jobs. Another failed attempt by Obama.
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Leigh49
Hey, you, get off of my cloud
02:38 PM on 10/09/2012
So if Mitt starts a war with China, do we have to borrow money from China to pay for the war?
03:01 PM on 10/09/2012
No, if Romney is in charge we will be a prosperous nation which does not need to borrow from china.
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Leigh49
Hey, you, get off of my cloud
05:13 PM on 10/09/2012
And how does that work along with tax cuts? We can't even afford the bush wars.
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Hardtostop
An idea whose time has come to pass
05:34 PM on 10/09/2012
Now that's a howl. Stand up comedy seems to be a natural for you
02:33 PM on 10/09/2012
Note to HP: time to update your electoral outlook.
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Hardtostop
An idea whose time has come to pass
05:34 PM on 10/09/2012
It is updated. Romney is still losing
08:45 PM on 10/09/2012
Better check again..
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Leigh49
Hey, you, get off of my cloud
02:32 PM on 10/09/2012
What goes up must come down. 2 more debatess...
02:24 PM on 10/09/2012
"What's behind the surge?" Do think a certain debate may have influenced it?
12:33 PM on 10/10/2012
Maybe, because people weren't aware of the debate technique used by Romney, the Gish Gallop-where one uses lies, half-lies and straw men arguments in rapid succession that precludes the opponent from responding to everything. This technique is banned in legitimate debates. That was NOT a debate, it was "performance art" by Romney and he did win that. AND did you notice how so many things were the opposite of what he has said in the past?
01:57 PM on 10/09/2012
What's behind the surge?? Lots of Romney money making a big big spin. Come on Dems!!!
01:57 PM on 10/09/2012
"Happy days are here again,
Romney and Ryan are going to win!
All the polls are starting to swing,
Happy days are here again!"
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Leigh49
Hey, you, get off of my cloud
02:34 PM on 10/09/2012
Polls and people's minds change very quickly. One debate does not win an election. Just ask Ronald Reagan or GWB.
05:37 PM on 10/10/2012
Famous last words. This race is long from being over. Mittty keeps changing his view on just about everthing, and he does it everyday. This means he thinks hes getting away with it, but its going to backfire.
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Bart DePalma
Bart DePalma
01:53 PM on 10/09/2012
The media polls have been adding Republican voters since August. http://thecitizenpamphleteer.wordpress.com/2012/10/09/desperately-seeking-republicans/

Pew is the first of them to adopt a voter pool that resembles the actual registered voters on the ground.

Gallup will follow tomorrow when they erect their likely voter screen.

The only reason these latest results are surprising is that the media polls have been grossly undercounting GOP voters for the past several months and you have been fed a constant diet of waste product results like so many mushrooms.
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Nobama23
12:55 PM on 10/09/2012
First of all Helmut, the real reason for the surge is that in the end of ends truth always trumps cover ups and lies..I have always said I could easily debate Obama just on the merits of truths...Instead of coddling him to death as he has been done to for 4 years I would just go down the list and demand answers to all his "untouchable" topics that litter his life..I would make him look just like he did last week when just challenged a wee bit..He is a straw man with no qualifications to manage a fast food place let alone senator or Pres. for gods sake....And one side note for Huffpo..I live in North Carolina and I can tell you right now you can color that state red in your map...I mean in the end it will just make you look better to be right
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Leigh49
Hey, you, get off of my cloud
02:35 PM on 10/09/2012
Romney lied about EVERYTHING. Obama actually told the truth, but didn't jump around and shout it. I guess that's the difference.
01:39 AM on 10/10/2012
Lol - I think someone needs to look up the definition of "straw man".
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Got2Go
How does it feel
12:53 PM on 10/09/2012
What's Behind the Surge? the entire lying republican party that's what!
02:07 PM on 10/09/2012
Name calling is the only card the Obama campaign has left.
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CTAndrews
I'm affraid that's not tea you've been drinking...
02:35 PM on 10/09/2012
It's only 'name calling' when it isn't true.
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Leigh49
Hey, you, get off of my cloud
02:35 PM on 10/09/2012
LIke the right never does name-calling. Give me a break.
02:26 PM on 10/09/2012
"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser" -- Socrates
11:19 AM on 10/09/2012
There hasn't been a shard of good news for Obama in the last week. People are tired of this Obama economy and they want something new. Good luck back in Chicago Barack.
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Got2Go
How does it feel
12:50 PM on 10/09/2012
Such as more unfunded wars, higher gas prices, break the unemployment record of the great depression which was 24%, replace suburbia with tent cities, and Mitt giving beachside chats from the Cayman Islands.
02:00 PM on 10/09/2012
Agree, f%f, The economy alone should sink his presidency.
11:18 AM on 10/09/2012
Before the only Presidential debate the last week in October 1980, Carter led Reagan by 4 points.

Reagan won 479 electorial votes, Carter won 49.
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Got2Go
How does it feel
12:55 PM on 10/09/2012
Mitts your man without a clue for a plan.