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Henry Blodget

Henry Blodget

Posted: June 9, 2010 10:22 AM

Remember: In 1930, They Didn't Know It Was "the Great Depression" Yet

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In the past year, we've written a lot about the similarity between the rally of early 1930 and the one we had through April of this year.

The early 1930 rally came after the market had fallen nearly 50% in the fall of 1929. The spring 1930 rally took the market up nearly 50% again, to a level that was only about 20% below the previous peak.

That rally, of course, was also the biggest sucker's rally in history. After the market peaked in April 1930, it crashed again, eventually ending up down 89% from the 1929 high and more than 80% from the 1930 high. The market did not reach the 1930 high again for another quarter of a century.

The rally that recently ended in April 2010 came after a crash that was actually slightly more severe than the 1929 crash (53% versus 48%). It took the market up nearly 80% from the low! The recent rally also lasted longer than the 1930 rally did--a year, as opposed to 6 months.

The 2009-2010 rally that ended in April, of course, may actually be the start of a great new bull market, one that will shake off the current "correction" and roar back to the market's old highs. On the other hand, it may yet also be another version of what happened in 1930 -- the start of another bear market that will take the market down for years (or even, gulp, to a new low).

Importantly, we won't know for sure what today's market is until we look at it with the genius of 20/20 hindsight. As Peter Schiff pointed out yesterday, even as late as 1931, they didn't know they were in a "Great Depression" yet. On the contrary, the promise from the White House was that "prosperity is just around the corner."

Don't believe it? Check out this excellent compilation of New York Times clippings from early 1930 put together by Dan Alpert of Westwood Capital. There is nary a hint that anyone had any idea about the disastrous decade that was to come.

Dan's complete compilation is contained in a broader research piece, which we've embedded at the end. The slides below contain excerpts from February-April, 1930.

Is the current pullback just a "correction" and a "buying opportunity"? Or, as in the spring of 1930, is it the start of the REAL market crash? You be the judge. Meanwhile, here's what things looked like in the spring of 1930...

The Greatest Sucker's Rally In History, Play By Play >

 

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12:06 AM on 07/17/2010
Let's hope for the Crash
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Rooster Coburn
Less Gov't + More Responsibility = A Better World
01:40 PM on 06/11/2010
The United States economy has experienced repeated downturns since the end of the War of Independence, as have all other nations. Traditionally, these were known as "panics" and recovery, without government meddling in the economy was reasonably rapid. In 1919 the economy collapsed after the end of the Great War (called WWI today). The downturn was as severe as 1929 but the Federal Reserve and the government did not intervene and we experienced a rapid recovery and went on to our greatest period of economic growth to date, the "boom" of the 1920's.

Had the Hoover and Roosevelt administrations, plus the Federal Reserve, avoided intervening in the economy we would not have had the Great Depression. In the rest of the industrialized world it was just known as "the depression" not "the Great Depression". England for instance did not have their own version of the "New Deal" nor a British FDR.
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03:10 PM on 06/10/2010
Yep. I have nothing else I can think of to say. Indicators (complex measures, not the shoot from the hip macro numbers) are scary. Nothing is changing, and the wall we will inevitably seem to hit gets closer.
02:56 PM on 06/10/2010
AND remember what haüppened 1933?

We are well on our way there.
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Day Brown
02:54 PM on 06/10/2010
So- it was two years from the stock crash til the bottom in 1932. Has anyone noticed that two years after the recent price panic it'll be 2012?
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django707
Reinhardt not Unchained
12:21 PM on 06/10/2010
Our first order of business is to take back the language from the propagandists.
The way we describe our economy and quality of life is madness!
Real unemployment is about 20% and rising. We describe the unemployed as those who are registered and actively seeking employment. But once you've given up, you are no longer considered unemployed.
We describe our economy by how well the elite are doing with their zero-sum scheme known as the stock market. When the elite are doing well, our economy is booming. It doesn't matter that real American wages have been sinking for forty years. Because the populace doesn't count.
Take back the language. Only by forming a real picture of our world can we take the necessary steps to right our fast sinking ship.
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68Namvet
Sioux, French, German, Jew, American mutt
12:34 PM on 06/10/2010
This is true - but, the larger issue is that you and I are not players in this game. The banking industry told us this after forming the FED (a privately owned bank).

"Capital must protect itself in every possible manner by combination and legislation. Debts must be collected, bonds and mortgages must be foreclosed as rapidly as possible. When, through a process of law, the common people lose their homes they will become more docile and more easily governed through the influence of the strong arm of government, applied by a central power of wealth under control of leading financiers. This truth is well known among our principal men now engaged in forming an imperialism of Capital to govern the world. By dividing the voters through the political party system, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance. Thus by discreet action we can secure for ourselves what has been so well planned and so successfully accomplished." USA Banker's Magazine, August 25 1924
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Reinhardt not Unchained
01:28 PM on 06/10/2010
True, we are not players in the game, but we are an important component.
They need consumer/debt slaves. If we can expand consciousness and create a shift, we would gain power by refusing to take part in the cycle.
No more buying unnecessary garbage on credit. Energy awareness and conservation.
These shifts will create change.
Until then, all we can do is moo and stampede wherever they guide us.
12:45 PM on 06/10/2010
Couldn't have said it better!

BTW, I am one of those who has never been counted. I graduated college in 2008 ( High GPA too!) and was "lucky" to get an entry level, part time position. I don't make enough to live ( I have to get food stamps and have NO benefits) , and see no hope of ever having a job with a living wage and health insurance. I am not counted, nor are my underemployed clients.
One more note: I think that the reason that the food stamp program covers so many people is to keep us off the streets with pitchforks. If we were all as hungry as we could be, there would have already been rioting in the streets.
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12:13 PM on 06/10/2010
AMERICAN ECONOMIC FORMULA: Rape the middle and lower classes until breaking point, throw crumbs. Rinse, repeat.
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68Namvet
Sioux, French, German, Jew, American mutt
12:32 PM on 06/10/2010
You are absolutely correct as the facts support:

From 1979 - 2006, the average income of the richest 0.1% of Americans rose a staggering 364%, nearly 25 times more than the growth of the median household income. Between 2001 and 2007, the real income of the median working-age household decreased by 1.9%, a loss of $1,107, despite productivity increasing by 18.5% over that time.

In 2006, the top 1% of households received 20% and the top 10% received 46% of the nation’s income (highest shares since 1928 & 1932 respectively). The top 10% of the population owns 74% of the nation's wealth, the bottom 40% owns less than 1%. The top 10% paid an average of 17.7% of income in taxes, the middle class (including social security and medicare) 31.2%.
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Reinhardt not Unchained
01:30 PM on 06/10/2010
Thanks for that awesome data.

We're screwed, huh?
11:33 AM on 06/10/2010
“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned, and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."
--Abraham Lincoln
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11:46 PM on 06/11/2010
I watched a video containing the quote above. I sought out the quote thought about it and decided it fit as a general comment on Mr. Blodget’s assertions. The video I watched does not paint a good picture of the president. It is presented as a non-partisan analysis of the state of control and power in America. I will not endorse it by mentioning its name, but I will say, the assertions made within the video have an air of truth. However, I ask myself, why this president (with his apparent centrist posture and belief) would presume to be so bold as to go against the real power structure. I say “real” not to hint at some shadow government, or a conspiracy theory of cabals and cadres of power and manipulation. I say real because a Senator stated in very clear terms that outside interest control government. I could hear a pin drop as I waited for a mass call to bear down on Washington. No such call ever came and so I have to assume we like it, we love it…yes, more please.

The trick is to get you hooked early so you would never consider dissent, even when such dissent is in your best interest. Fear is a powerful tool. The president is hard pressed to buck tradition and actually turn his powers on his handlers. Power is the people surrounding the president. Priority is obvious and direction is also obvious. Brace yourself.
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Artos
Down with Tyrants
10:24 AM on 06/10/2010
The thing is that what helps make these things even more likely to happen is the actions of Nature, humans or a combination of Both. Let us say for instance you have a major War such as WWI that
precedes a downturn. Too much of societies wealth being thrown away for the funding of war.That tends to do a lot to help the situation deteriorate. Or lets say a series of Natural Disasters that combined with stupid human mistakes serves to divert much of a societies wealth into making repairs or even just survival. We have lots of that going on right now. Then of course there is the greed factor, which always plays a part. I would say we have the perfect recipe for a crash and even though our Economists and our Politicians would like very much to convince us otherwise, I think we are staring a disaster in the face. A calm before the storm.
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Aneesia
09:29 AM on 06/10/2010
The market is kind of booming, the rich are becoming more wealthy, and the banks and brokerages are booming. Unfortunately fundamentals are terrible and the populace is out of the loop. Sounds like a prelude to disaster to me.
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08:41 AM on 06/10/2010
Roosevelt & the Dems pushing for change had something big that Obama doesnt have. They had the Russian revolution of 1917. That event was fresh in the minds of the uber rich world wide.

Roosevelt could use what happened in Russia as a justification for much more minor change in The USA.
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07:58 AM on 06/10/2010
Good read Henry.

Not that much has changed since 2008. The toxic assests haven't been payed down. That was the cause, no?
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Sam1jere
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05:36 AM on 06/10/2010
It was Mexican poet, Carlos Santayana who put it that those that forget history are forever doomed to repeat the same things. This is what the world today is all about. Despite enjoying access to nearly all of humanity's knowledge since the beginning, we can never learn from lessons we've garnered along the way. The pitfalls of the American financial system, coupled with the political bankruptcy in the Congress/Senate/White House never seem to be heeded. These are worrying times indeed.
08:08 AM on 06/10/2010
We learn alright, but all of the laws are such that wall st. figures it can go in for another bite of the taxpayer's doe. Watch out for Bail-Out...the sequel!
04:03 AM on 06/10/2010
The amazing part is that they sold this energy and natural resource party as a BLESSING FROM GOD, that somehow the almighty just happened to like this piece of geography (add on Hawaii and Alaska later), and capitalism, and Christianity so much that we were DESTINED to rule the world. The fact is America was an energy anomaly and most of that energy is now gone and we have been living on borrowed time becasue borrowed in the eyes of conservatives is better than no time at all. We are destroying ourselves looking for stuff to keep OUR CARS GOING !!!!!!!! Please read that again brainless business believing BOOYA conservatives. This lifestyle is OVER. We either face reality or we doom oursleves. What does that mean? If you're on the Gulf, look out your window.
04:02 AM on 06/10/2010
individual people, and groups, frequently are not aware their own place within events in real time. Ask any guy who dated a 'psycho' and then a year later looks back and says 'what was i thinking?' (same with a woman dating a jerk)

with the financial media feeding the BS that all is well, most people have no clue as to the current problems, nor just how bad they will get.

Great read Mr Blodget