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The Language God Talks: The Back Story

Posted: 05/04/10 03:45 PM ET

Henrik Ibsen once wrote of the "life-lie" of authors, the resolve to create some day an enduring masterwork, the Big One that never gets written. For decades I harbored a title, A Child's Garden of God, for a book telling of my religious faith in a frame of modern science, not necessarily a Big One, but a work I felt born to give the world. Not being a scientist at all, I was a fool to dream of accomplishing this, but novelists are fools whose dreams every now and then take form, see the light, and last.

My notes on A Child's Garden of God go back to the 1960s. As they piled up I would comfort myself by recalling what Einstein said when asked how he worked: "How do I work? I grope." If that was really true, I thought, there might yet be a shred of hope for an aging storyteller getting nowhere, year by accelerating year, with his dream of writing A Child's Garden of God. At last I decided either to do something about it, or give it up as my life-lie. I first intruded on Professor I. Bernard Cohen of Harvard, who taught the History of Science for 60 years, and told him, in an ad lib farrago lasting perhaps 20 minutes, what I had in mind. "Wow, big," he commented. "I don't agree, of course, I think it's all stochastic, but I'd like to see how you do it." Years later, still haunted by Garden, I intruded on the famed theoretical physicist Freeman Dyson at Princeton, and harangued him about the project. He heard me out and soberly nodded, saying, "It can work."

More years passed, more notes piled up. At last I met the man who got me to start writing the book -- do or die -- Maarten Schmidt of Caltech, who discovered the quasars. At a lunch with him and another Caltech astronomer I knew well, Jewish and utterly secular, I poured out the still-unwritten Garden. My Jewish friend appeared indulgently amused by the idea. Maarten Schmidt listened with an intense far-off look. When I fell silent he said, "It can be done, but it is very, very hard."

Those words became my mantra. I set out to write something brief, truthful, and readable on this gravest of themes. It took me four years and 40,000 words, based on notes running to some 30 file folders. The book starts with three chapters on science, followed by five on my faith. The science took most of the time, as I battled my ignorance all the way, making spectacular detours and blind alleys. One was a "thought experiment" in which Edwin Hubble himself appeared in my workshop and conducted me, a little like Virgil in Dante's Inferno, outward into space among the stars, horizon by receding horizon, to the misty margins of the universe. I thought this was pretty good stuff. My almost infallible wife read a draft of this first part. "Well, it's all right," she said, "but you'd better get rid of that spook." Half a year shot.

Two epigraphs frame The Language God Talks. In one Richard Feynman declares that in the view of religion, God created the universe so as to watch us struggle for good and evil, and "the stage is too big for the drama." In the second the Israeli author S. Y. Agnon cautions, "Remember, Herman Wouk, we are storytellers. Stories, pictures, people! No thoughts!" So it is that I devote three chapters to Feynman's Stage, five to his Drama, and try to do it all with Agnon's stories, pictures, and people. If a thought or two drifted in, I couldn't help it. The task totally engaged me. I never tired, never once thought of giving it up. The masses of discarded pages are in my archives, there to remain as silent evidence that it was very, very hard. With some trepidation I sent the finished manuscript to Freeman Dyson and Maartin Schmidt, among others. I. Bernard Cohen had long since left the Stage. For Dyson, whose critique was bruising and bracing, the book had worked in its fashion. Schmidt's response started with two words in boldface: "You succeeded." I will remember those words while I last.

But what of A Child's Garden of God, the title I cherished for so long? Well, when my almost infallible wife read the second part, she said, "Fine, but I don't like your title. The book is about science and religion, and the title should say so." I bethought me of my first meeting with Feynman, when he asked me if I knew calculus, and I admitted I didn't. "You'd better learn it," he said. "It's the language God talks." This casual remark by a towering scientist, an aggressively secular Jew, strikes the modern note with a resounding agnostic clang. The Language God Talks acknowledges my lack and offers something of what I have learned of His other language, which I know pretty well: the Bible.

Herman Wouk's new book, The Language God Talks: On Science and Religion, was published in April 2010 by Little, Brown & Company.

 
 
 
Henrik Ibsen once wrote of the "life-lie" of authors, the resolve to create some day an enduring masterwork, the Big One that never gets written. For decades I harbored a title, A Child's Garden of Go...
Henrik Ibsen once wrote of the "life-lie" of authors, the resolve to create some day an enduring masterwork, the Big One that never gets written. For decades I harbored a title, A Child's Garden of Go...
 
 
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03:58 AM on 06/29/2010
Not so long ago, all "scientists" believed the earth is flat. Thus the poll about religious scientists proves nothing but its existence: There was a poll, which stated...

To me, simply watching a beautiful underwater film with all the incredible richness of nature is infinitely more "spiritual" than the projections of human ignorance and cruelty in the bible: Greed, revenge, genocide, jealousy - all human traits projected on a fictitious god, to whom we can dump all those evil traits.
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slycolyf
slice of life
12:41 PM on 06/23/2010
When God is believed to be a super being or man who is judging us and will send us to hell for being "bad", this causes potential problems in how we treat each other as human beings. One person actually can hate another simply because that person is not doing what the other thinks God wants. As we know, this can even become a very violent and murderous relationship. The revolutionary change in attitude that is needed is to know that GOD IS EVERYTHING. Everything includes you and me. Everything includes Science and the ability to discover Truth. If we have this attitude, then it is a given that we are all connected and one in the same and will not want to hurt one another. When we say "God", we should not think of a separate being that does not include ourselves. This is idolatry on a mental level. We are all included in God, therefore we should love, worship, and diligently seek to understand each other. Religion should include Science as our most effective way to obtain and detect Truth. Our 6th sense is the Sense of Truth. Maybe God is actively seeking to know God's self and we are some of God's infinite number of Truth receptors. Let's learn from the ant. Let's learn from the cells in our bodies. Your cells are selflessly and purposely together contributing to you, their supreme being. If your cells thought of you as a separate being, you're probably in trouble.
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somsoc
All humans are atheists at birth.
05:07 PM on 05/24/2010
To picture Einstein with some silliness about the 'language of a sky fairy' is insulting at best.
02:49 AM on 05/23/2010
Mr. Wouk, I read your book several weeks ago and enjoyed it immensely, but nothing you said convinced me that the Bible, even the Hebrew Bible, is "the other language that God speaks," any more than Richard Feynman would convince me that calculus is "the language God speaks' (and, yes, I have read most of his books, technical and popular). Both statements represent to me a sloppy use of language that goes beyond any actual evidence.

After many years of research and thought, including deep and broad reading in science and in the history and provenance of the books that came to be called scriptures, I have concluded that theology is a fiction genre, based at best on ancient guesswork.

Working through science, the conversation changes from belief and faith to the varying degrees of confidence one has in the theories and the evidence that supports them, with a clear abiding awareness that knowledge is mutable. How could it be otherwise in an evolving universe, conceivably even a multi-verse?

Yes, the universe astounds us and provokes wonder; grander than our grandest descriptions, even the scientific ones, but the scientific descriptions continue to banish false mysteries and ignorance of what universe manifests before us. Whatever the ground of all being might be, we somehow have learned to greet it in conscious awareness and through self-reflective self-awareness, and to refine that understanding through testing hypotheses against evidence and experience. The biochemistry of love embodies my devotion: life lives.
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somsoc
All humans are atheists at birth.
05:05 PM on 05/24/2010
Richard Feynman was a very brilliant person and a life long atheist.
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Guy DeWhitney
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09:20 PM on 05/13/2010
My own journey through science and theology was a dual one. Each progressed independently, then one day I noticed that they had begun to merge into one thing...
I still work to reconcile the two, but since the emergernce of quantum theory we actualy have a chance to do it...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1450510450
04:03 AM on 05/19/2010
nooo, quantum theory does not translate to life and emotional application... 'then one day you noticed', huh? something noticed that all quantum physicists say is a major fallacy of logic and a false appropriation of their field.
please have some rationality and don't waste your time on any of that new age crap
04:46 PM on 05/13/2010
Herman, if I may be so bold, you say "The science took most of the time, as I battled my ignorance all the way, making spectacular detours and blind alleys."

perhaps a brief digression into reality is not a bad thing for religionists to have. If you wish to convince however you will have to overcome the clarity laid out in http://www.godisimaginary.com and I don't think it can be done.
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Jude Nagurney Camwell
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03:52 PM on 05/13/2010
Herman, you're one of my favorite writers and I appreciate your honesty and humility in describing the personal thought processes and events that led to the writing and completion of this book. It makes me look forward even more to reading it.
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whirlpool
founder walnut tree congregation
08:22 PM on 05/16/2010
I just finished it. It is worth reading. Science, poetry and history all intersect at the point where there is still mystery.
03:03 PM on 05/13/2010
thats nice old man now tell me another story. hate to break it to you but god isnt real. its a pity that you spent your life beliveing and promoting fairytales. I hope that the children you tried to brainwash wake up and realize that santa claus the tooth fairy and god are alll the same.
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StephenJK
All your consciousness are belong to us
07:20 AM on 05/14/2010
Exploring the avenues leading to God isn't as bad as shutting yourself off from it completely.
04:05 AM on 05/19/2010
it is worse if there's no god, which is most likely the case. it's a waste of time and energy and a completely distorted sense of morals, treatment of the planet, living for an afterlife, etc.
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electricladyland
Don't censor me bro.
12:54 PM on 05/13/2010
If you know the bible and don't know calculus, your vocabulary is pretty impoverished.
lastpost
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07:13 AM on 05/12/2010
"How do I work? I grope."
His evaluation of quantum theory: God does not play dice.
In other words; my understanding is the correct one. It follows therefore, that this cannot be real.

"It can be done, but it is very, very hard.”
It can be done, and it’s very easy. How do humans work? We poke and hope.The danger arises, when we convince ourselves that we know what we are talking about.

“get rid of that spook."
Do you really need a sprit? Yes, but just half a glass.

“God created the universe so as to watch us struggle for good and evil”
In that case it might be helpful to precisely define, exactly what good and evil are. Since they may not be what you might think.

"It's the language God talks."
But oddly, only when he’s talking to me?
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popart
retired school teacher
12:03 PM on 05/09/2010
the problem is you see, that there are no gods...just human beings who wish there were.
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StephenJK
All your consciousness are belong to us
07:22 AM on 05/14/2010
.....and those who wish there wasn't.
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OhgReaTone
Ohg Rea Tone writes for thefiresidepost.com
08:50 AM on 05/07/2010
The only legitimate prophets are those who understand the connection between math and natural science. I went back to college in my forties - I had to take a 210 level Chemistry class - I learned that we can use mathematics to predict outcomes. It was in this Chemistry class that I began to understand the language of Jesus. ..........

http://thefiresidepost.com/2009/03/31/learning-about-jesus-in-chemistry-class/
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Klarsonent
Semi-retired landlady, small business entrepreneur
11:45 AM on 05/07/2010
"OhgReaTone" I went to the link and read your story. I liked it very much and would like to quote a couple of your paragraphs on my website, under "Science." But you have not given your name at the end of your blog.
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OhgReaTone
Ohg Rea Tone writes for thefiresidepost.com
12:24 PM on 05/07/2010
I write as Ohg Rea Tone on thefiresidepost.com and you are welcome to any quote you deem worthy.
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OhgReaTone
Ohg Rea Tone writes for thefiresidepost.com
12:27 PM on 05/07/2010
I write as Ohg Rea Tone for thefiresidepost.com. You are welcome to any quote you find worthy. Thanks
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11:34 PM on 05/06/2010
This is a Judeo Christian story- those of you who group all religions as Judeo Christian, your prejudice which invokes such restricted and superficial thought is glaring.
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10:39 AM on 05/07/2010
Interesting that you would call out this author's cultural prejudices when, in the end, all religions are based on superficial imaginary stories.
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emmanuel goldstein
Have you had your two minutes today?
03:53 PM on 05/07/2010
"all religions are based on superficial imaginary stories."

Buddhism isn't. Taoism isn't. Wicca isn't. Jainism isn't. Mysticism isn't.
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emmanuel goldstein
Have you had your two minutes today?
02:39 PM on 05/09/2010
"Thought experiments to aid understanding and logical extrapolation of physics beyond what we can or have observed are not the same as making bogus, unsupported claims about reality."
Wrong. Schrodinger's Cat is about the way sub-atomic particles act. Since they cannot be observed or measured directly, Schodinger's Cat is as much a "bogus claim about about reality" as religious parables/mythology meant to try and convey understanding of things which can not be observed or measured emperically. Same thing.

"It is delusional, too." Neo-Atheists have a hard-on for the word delusional.
A dictionary defines delusional as "false belief or opinion:". Since not all religions take their mythology as fact, but as metaphor, the stories are not delusional, they are thought experiments to aid understanding and logical extrapolation of life as a phenomenon beyond what we can explain otherwise. Neither the person telling the story, nor the person listening to it, believe it is real. For Hinduism, especially with Vedanta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedanta), this is very true. Also, since it is only possible to experience reality subjectively how do you know that everything you have ever experienced is not a delusion, including other people? How can you prove such a thing? Verifying things with "other people" that may be a part of you're delusion?
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emmanuel goldstein
Have you had your two minutes today?
04:14 PM on 05/07/2010
Fanned =)
Most atheists became atheist because they were raised by fundamentalist Christians, and once they had a decent education, realized that the bible is not the perfect word of God. Then they did some very light research on a few other religions, and know what they know of the Muslim faith from the news and other anecdotal sources. Most atheists could not tell you what any of the religions not based on the lineage of Adam & Eve believe.The surely don't understand Vedanta. They threw off the chains of one religion to wear the shackles of another.

This isn't all atheists, of course, but it is, at least, most of the ones that comment here.
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racetoinfinity
restore Glass-Steagall now!
11:59 PM on 05/07/2010
Atheism or agnosticism is the midpoint in development between mythic-belief (religion) and direct apprehension of The Divine (mysticism), although some atheists/agnostics do not progress (evolve).
09:23 PM on 05/06/2010
Wouk is an Orthodox Jew. From there I can only infer that he's listening with a bias.
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mjeffn
Freedom's just another word 4 nothing left to lose
08:19 PM on 05/06/2010
1 + 0 = 2, there! Finished.