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Posted: February 17, 2010 05:30 PM

A Mossad Killing in Dubai

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The Bustan Rotana Hotel, until a month ago, was known among Dubai residents as a destination for good sushi and old fashioned entertainment. It was the quiet yet classy option; an old gem mingling with a plethora of newer glitzy caravanserais. With a few decent restaurants and functional bars, its primary claim to fame in recent times was a proximity to the Irish Village, a faux Dublin street offering yet another stomping ground to purveyors of ale or lager. Hops at the bottom or the top; to each his fancy.

Then, Mahmoud al Mabhouh, the senior Hamas military commander complicit in the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers and instrumental in maintaining a flow of weapons to Hamas in the Gaza Strip, decided to use it as a stop-over. So did a team of assassins who collaboratively pulled off perhaps the most clinical murder Dubai has ever had the umbrage of witnessing on its turf.

Al Mabhouh's actual method of death is unclear. He was either electrocuted, poisoned, strangulated or suffocated. Any permutation or combination of the above. The UAE authorities have little doubt of the identity of the assassins though. Daily newspaper The National quoted Dubai Police flatly noting the political assassination was carried out to a "Mossad method".

Days later, the Dubai police showed CCTV footage of the members of the hit team. Al Mabouh was a dead man from the time he entered Dubai on Emirates flight EK912. He was tailed from the airport to the hotel and even up to his room by hit men alternately clad in tourist casuals or tennis whites. One member booked a room right opposite his at the Bustan Rotana, while others acted in various capacities. If nothing else, the operation was clinical. By the time Al Mabouh was discovered in the confines of room 230, the hit squad had long left town.

Arrest warrants were put out to Interpol for the ten men and one woman directly involved in Al Mabhouh's murder. The truth surfaced a day later. All the assassins had identities pilfered from genuine people -- citizens who had no idea how neatly they had been tied to espionage and murder. The Guardian reports that three of the European identities used by the killers were stolen from Britons living in Israel. In all passport details of 11 people were compromised -- six from Britain, three from Ireland and one apiece from France and Germany.

Israel is, of course, keeping its own counsel as per its policy of deliberate ambiguity in foreign affairs. But the threads tie together in a fairly conclusive knot. The six Britons are all dual citizens resident in Israel. The Israeli foreign minister, Avigdor Lieberman, has gone out of his way not to deny Israeli involvement. And Israel has precedent when it comes to cheap thriller-esque spy games. Recall Munich. Then remember the bungled attempt to kill Hamas leader Khalid Meshaal in Amman, Jordan, 1997, when agents tried spraying a nerve agent in his ear. Canadian identities were part of the modus operandi then.

The attack is ipso facto a blatant breach of international law. It is also a fairly steep embarrassment to Dubai, which offers open visitation rights for citizens of 36 countries to massage its essential tourism industry. But did the assassination, conducted with supremely blatant disregard for international boundaries or legal apparatuses, benefit Israel more than the inevitable costs?

Al Mabhouh was certainly valuable to Hamas as a strategist as well as conduit. But he will be replaced -- perhaps with someone even more professional. There is the additional benefit of burnishing Mossad's reputation as exceptional in carrying out attrition against perceived enemies. But Mossad's reputation required little help prior to Al Mabhouh's demise. It has long been seen as one of the most effective intelligence and execution apparatuses in the world. Yet that reputation is no deterrent to people hostile or desperate enough to gamble with their lives. Mossad's ability to kill targets hasn't led Hamas or Hezbollah to cower or cover. Neither has it catalyzed a solution, or even a peace process. A reputation for the sake of a reputation is rather pointless. Israel is no safer nor better liked because Mossad and the Kidon are effective at homicides.

Israel is facing the collective ire of Britain over its citizens' stolen identities, Germany for the same reason, Austria where the mobile phones used by the hit squad originated, and Dubai which unwittingly played host to the final chapter of a Kiddon whodunit.

There is little Dubai can do, because it has no diplomatic relationships with Mossad central. But Britian et al are spitting diplomatic fire and brimstone. As Israel becomes an increasing embarrassment to the international community, it may start to receive less of the carte blanche that it considers its birthright.

In the meanwhile, things proceed as they always have; with Israeli ambiguity, Hamas outrage, Mossad effectiveness, Dubai's wounded pride and no recipe for the Israeli Palestinian cauldron boiling in the Middle East's nexus.

I drove past the Bostan Rotana the other day. It no longer seems like an innocuous place for good sushi in proximity to an ale-drinker's paradise. Whatever else, that ostentatiously exotic Kidon homicide has managed that.

 

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The Bustan Rotana Hotel, until a month ago, was known among Dubai residents as a destination for good sushi and old fashioned entertainment. It was the quiet yet classy option; an old gem mingling wit...
The Bustan Rotana Hotel, until a month ago, was known among Dubai residents as a destination for good sushi and old fashioned entertainment. It was the quiet yet classy option; an old gem mingling wit...
 
 
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07:46 PM on 03/01/2010
Your indictment of Israel and the Mossad amounts to little more than bluster & conjecture without not a shred of direct evidence or frankly anything that even approaches evidence. In reality there were many middle east actors who could have benefited from this assassination including Fatah who has been in a protracted war of assassination & murder with Hamas, members of other factions of Hamas or even Iran wishing to divert attention from the question of its nuclear program (Dubai police have claimed that 2 members of the conspiracy left by boat for Iran & that certainly would be a bad destination for any Israeli, Mossad agent or not). Even Dubai had its own reasons for wanting this terrorist dead, especially if he was using their nation as a location for his activities which Dubai opposes.The immediate piling on against Israel by all the usual suspects and a press all too willing to accept speculation & conjecture as fact seems to have conducted their own trial of this and reached their own verdict all with the absence of evidence & a consideration of other suspects.
07:29 PM on 02/25/2010
The idea that Mossad would send 26 people to Dubai to off one gun runner, and that they would all get their faces on CCTV, all have traceable false documentation, and that the Dubai Police would actually notice this,stretches credibility to the limit. The fact that the world press seems to agree further reinforces the idea that all is not what it seems IMHO.
12:39 AM on 02/22/2010
It is the first time that I am here and I must congratulate you on the way in which you handle this issue.

It was a covert operation that has the Mossad fingerprint all over it, still, whether or not it was the Mossad, I doubt that there was a breach of any specific international law, but I stand corrected. There was certainly a beach of the Dubai Law, both criminal code and immigration law but that is to be expected in covert operation of that naure.

Israel has a policy of "targeted killing" of terrorist that cannot be captured, the aim is to disrupt the leadership of terrorist organisation by forcing the "targets" to constantly take evasive measures, thus the disruption occurs whether or not the target is actually caught. Admittedly, there is an element of revenge in that policy, but hey, this is the Middle East, in any event it is of secondary.importance (to Israel).
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04:43 AM on 02/22/2010
Thank you for a balanced take on this entire thing. I'm sure respect of sovereignity is international law. And that at the very least was breached. And I can see why Israel may be in favour of assasinations, but I just don't see sanctioned murder being a viable long-term solution to anything.
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01:56 PM on 02/26/2010
The problem with Israel's position is that it is quick to label any Palestinian resistance to the occupation as terrorism - a lot of the resistance isn't terrorism, though some is. But Israel is completely blind to the state terrorism that it commits and is also blind to the terrorism committed by rightwing Zionist groups in occupied Palestine. If Israeli addressed its' own terrorism first, it might go a long way towards creating the conditions for peace.
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12:19 AM on 02/21/2010
The cycle of violence continues, those who are happy with this event will be angry and sad with future news about recipricated violence, and so on, and so forth: the violence by both sides is vulgar as are those who cheer, cellebrate, and attempt to justify the violence of their team.
11:36 AM on 02/20/2010
"Mossad's ability to kill targets hasn't led Hamas or Hezbollah to cower or cover." Hezbollah leader Nasrallah has been hiding for 3 1/2 years, rather embarrassing for someone who has trumpeted a “divine victory,” I'm willing to be that Hamas leaders will be spending less time in luxury hotels, and more time in safe houses. This will inevitably reduce the effectiveness of leaders of these terrorist organizations.

Hamas & Hezbollah will bluster, but they continue to cower in fear. And since we in the US owe Hezbollah for bombing the US marines in Beirut (there on a peacekeeping mission), we should send a thank you note to Mossad.
12:15 PM on 02/20/2010
You are so very proud of your team, eh? It works both ways, and there will be the time when some Mossad Agents somewhere will be cowering also. The vicious circle goes on.............
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05:01 PM on 02/20/2010
I don't have a particular dog in this fight, but why do you limit possible targets only to Mossad agents. It could be Israeli politicians who order or conduct military or covert operations. That's what the target in this case was by general agreement, after all.
03:32 PM on 02/21/2010
Unfortunately both Hamas & Hezbollah have declared their intent on destroying Israel. It's in their charters. What other national movements have the destruction of a neighboring state in their national charters? Consequently, Israel must be proactive in fighting both of these terrorist operations. Including sending people to kill Hamas' arms dealers.

Too bad. With 99+% of the land in the middle east under Muslim control, you would think that Hamas & Hez. would have other things to do, like raising the standard of living of their people. I guess its not a priority.
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04:38 AM on 02/22/2010
But my point is that they're still anti-Israel, and not getting any friendlier. Neither is their ability to operate compromised massively - because some are willing to die for their cause. Regardless of whether they plot in 5-star hotels or underground tunnels, the outcome of their plots can not be good for Israel. Nasrallah may be keeping his head down, but he's got his sergeants on the case for logistics + coordination. Take one out, and another will crop up. I would suggest addressing the root cause of the problem by a VIABLE two state solution.
04:28 PM on 02/19/2010
Insightful article, thanks Hisham.

I hate to bring this up because everyone's comments have been cordial (so far).

However, I'm sure I am not the first to notice the connection of Identity theft, in relation to the Dubai hit team, and many of the 9/11 hi-jackers. Both events include innocent individuals whose identities were stolen (or borrowed) in a similar fashion. Shortly after the 9/11 attacks several news outlets, including the BBC reported that 6-8 (reports vary) of the 'alleged' hi-jackers were alive and well - all victims of a identity theft. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1559151.stm

I'm sure this practice isn't limited to Mossad alone, but they have a well documented history of borrowing Identities and Nationalities, just ask the Canadians, British and Kiwis (to name a few).
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06:13 PM on 02/19/2010
Thank you for that link. Quite interesting.

"However, I'm sure I am not the first to notice the connection of Identity theft, in relation to the Dubai hit team, and many of the 9/11 hi-jackers. Both events include innocent individuals whose identities were stolen (or borrowed) in a similar fashion."

You seem to be insinuating that Mossad might have had a hand in 9/11, which honestly seems far-stretched and is not backed by evidence. I have a hard time accepting this argument.

I assume identity theft is a fairly common practice when it comes to cases of terrorism or organized crime, and like you mentioned, not limited to Mossad.
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12:47 PM on 02/20/2010
You need not accept the argument. Just know the argument exists. Is it true? Like many other curious 9/11 coincidences, toss a coin.
01:00 AM on 02/22/2010
It was not an identity theft as such, perhaps a borrowing of some details to assume an identity for the duration the operation. My understanding is that the passports were forged, photos changed, part of the name changed (second name mainly) and so were the passport numbers.

irrespective of what it is called, these identites were disposed of once their "borrowers" left Dubai which makes it a lot different from a criminal identity theft as we know it

Now that all concerned know that those passport were forged, the individuals whose identity were assumed are at the clear. In other words no innocent victims.
11:55 AM on 02/19/2010
Hisham,
Your question about whether or not this deed has benefited the nation that many are accusing of being responsible is interesting. Political assassinations as you point out are not terribly effective at stopping any kind of resistance movement when there is always a pool of new candidates for replacement. Even the top commanders can be replaced, if not easily, at least with new persons who may be even more extreme than their predecessors. You point this out also in your piece. One of the best ways for any nation, the US or otherwise to address insurgencies, occupations, resistance movements or even internal labor unrest or political opposition is to address the root core grievances for the common good of everyone in the society. Killing leaders, targeting or carelessly, negligently killing civilian populations as a means of collective punishment, continuing or increasing the course that has created the grievances in the first place is not the best choice of action for ANY govt., anywhere. We are supposed to be better than that in the 21st century, to be beyond the injustices of the old colonial empires, but it looks as if we are not. The detective police work in Dubai & making the results of the investigation immediately public were KEY factors. Otherwise the European govts. might have been tempted to downplay or pressured to hush it up. Once it's out on the international media, online, even AP & ABC have to say something, albeit reluctantly.
12:06 PM on 02/19/2010
Didn't have room in word count to say that Hisham, you've got a new fan.
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12:32 PM on 02/19/2010
Thank you for your kind words, alexa07.

You sum up my argument succinctly and make interesting points of your own. The NYT and Guardian have both noted that the mood immediately after the assasination was congratulatory in Israel - wink wink, nod nod, good job.

It was when Dubai started pursuing the matter and Britian et al jumped onto the bandwagon as they realized their citizens' welfare had been jeopardized that the mood turned sombre. Realization hit, both inside and outside Israel that the assasination may not have accomplished all that much, while subjecting Israel's international standing to further battering.
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02:23 PM on 02/18/2010
There would have been no assassination if Dubai had arrested Mabhouh and handed him over to Israel for trial. The scandal is not the assassination, it is that Dubai allows a terrorist to walk freely on its streets.
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jwcmass
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04:24 PM on 02/18/2010
Does Israel even have diplomatic relations with Dubai, much less extradition treaties?

And i think the proper procedure would be for him to be arrested and handed over to the ICC for prosecution.

Assassination, however, is a bad business. It can backfire on the nation that institutes it (Israeli leaders in this case are made more vulnerable). The assassins can make a mistake and kill the wrong person, (this happened when the Mossad tried to assassinate the perpetrators of the Munich Olympian massacre.-- Rather difficult to rectify your mistake if you kill the wrong person).

And finally, if nations are going to pursue this course, can Israel really complain if Hamas assassinates the IDF Chief of Staff or Defense Minister for the war crimes committed in Gaza?
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08:21 AM on 02/19/2010
If Dubai/UAE didn't follow the Arab League party line of rejecting any recognition of any Jewish presence in the Middle East, then things could be handled in the normal diplomatic channels.
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08:27 AM on 02/19/2010
Agree with jwcmass here. Dubai has no reason to arrest Mabhouh as it has no diplomatic contact with Israel. In this case, Israel broke international law, i'm afraid.
And really Talossa, I can't quite seeing you being so sympathetic to arrest and extradition if the tables had turned and Hamas had requested Dubai to arrest Tzipi Livni for her role in the Gaza offensive last year, for example.
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11:37 AM on 02/20/2010
I assume then you support the use of 'lawfare' to arrest israeli leaders/politicians who are suspected of war crimes? Oh wait, let me guess wht your reply will be...

Ahh..... al Mabhouh had conviction already?
01:40 AM on 02/18/2010
Good article, Hisham. And I agree with you, there is nothing beneficial about liquidating leaders amongst your enemy groups. Israel assassinated Abbas Mousawi, the former leader of Hezbollah, in the early 90s. They got Hassan Nassrullah as a successor.......

These Mossad jobs are always about revenge. Revenge will get Israel nowhere. Have some empathy and listen to the genuine grievances of your enemy.
10:38 PM on 02/17/2010
Hisham, you claim that Mossad carried out this hit but fail to account for the fact that Hamas also blames Fatah and Jordan has reportedly extradited two Palestinians suspected of involvement in killing Mabhouh to Dubai. So Israel is now working with Fatah? How convoluted.
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03:41 AM on 02/18/2010
it's not me claiming Mossad responsibility per se, but the dubai police and many many newspaper articles. Add to that the fact many of the identities stolen are from Israeli residents. Am aware of the Palestinian question, but agencies the world over require collaborators, and Mossad is no different. Haven't found evidence of Fata responsbility anywhere- maybe you can offer links? Not merely creating and knocking down strawmen I hope?
11:59 AM on 02/18/2010
I found a few links. Am making no statements about *who done it, or not*. There is no evidence of actual killing done by the group indicated so far, and two Palestinians were among them in any case. www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives//001090.html, archives/001086.html, archives/000240.html, archives/000007.html, archives/001030.html.
The man who was killed, by someone, was no saint. He has been linked to the killing of children and many others. He has been in jail in Egypt. There are rival groups among Palestinians which might have been involved. Remember, this was an experienced and skilled *operative*. It is hard to believe that he would not have had someone surveying the areas where he was operating in for safeguard. As anyaone who has ever had his/her ID stolen knows, it could be anyone, and it is more often than not impossible to trace or prove a thing. One can only take measures to protect the further criminal use of one's ID. For the Mossad to use jewish ID's and so implicate jews, or Israel, is highly unlikely from an intelligence point of view. It is also improbable from a religious point of view. There are groups which are devoted solely with tarring the image of Israel and jews.Mossad is not one of those.
07:18 PM on 02/18/2010
Here's one link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/18/fatah-hamas-dubai-killing-claims
Fatah and Hamas trade accusations over Dubai assassination

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2010/02/middle-east-region-reels-from-mabhouh-assasination-fallout.html

It's not the first time Hamas has blamed Fatah for the assassination of one of their leaders: alah Bardaweel, a Hamas legislator and spokesman, accused Abbas of playing a "major role" in the assassination of Said Siam and the military offensive against Hamas.

Obviously in retaliation for:
Hamas throwing Fatah member off roof in Gaza http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c67_1188887407&c=1
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02:27 PM on 02/18/2010
If Fatah was indeed involved in this, that would be a major breakthrough for peace. Let's hope the Palestinian electorate is mature enough to see this for what it is -- a chance.
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jwcmass
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04:33 PM on 02/18/2010
I can't see how this would be a "breakthrough for peace". If Fatah IS behind this, then it increases the likelihood of war between Hamas and Fatah.

Also, since many Palestinians view Fatah as being collaborationist with Israel, they will believe that Fatah did this at Israel's bidding.

But the BIG obstruction to peace negotiations at this point isn't Hamas, it is the continued settlement expansion, which is opposed by Fatah AND the US.

As long as those settlements keep expanding, Fatah, and ANY Palestinian with an ounce of sense will believe (with good reason) that the current Israeli government --dominated by the settler movement, has no REAL intention of withdrawal from the settlements in order to make room for a Palestinian state.
02:19 PM on 02/19/2010
jwcnmass the only breakthru would be in disrupting palestinian goverment further than it is buying more time for west bank and east jeruselem land theft and facts on the ground . The israeli government has killed the two state option now its time for a one state and votes for all inside it from jordon to the sea
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tallen
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09:30 PM on 02/17/2010
I have doubts that this was Mossad at all.
There is no way in hell that the Mossad used the names of Israelis on passports.
Aside from the fact that it leaves a clear trail to Israel, it's actually illegal for the Mossad to do so under Israeli law.

But, aside from all this mystery; Who cares about a murderous terrorist meeting his just end?
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03:51 AM on 02/18/2010
Your doubts are valid. But your 'who cares about a terrorist' argument isn't. As days progress, I suspect we'll see more evidence on Mossad's involvement come to light.
In the meanwhile, he who was a terrorist to you might not have been to others. Recall that some IDF actions in Gaza fall fairly close to terrorism inasmuch as terrorism is defined as targetting innocent individuals, civilians and soft targets.
But this is not the debate here. I am trying to understand how this assasination proves beneficial for Israel despite an obvious diplomatic cost.
I am also trying to give this a human angle, as a Dubai resident. You have chosen to completely ignore these points.
12:13 PM on 02/18/2010
What you are trying to do is find an angle to pin the assassination on Israel. What human angle are you trying to find to justify murder as a Dubai resident. Is it not the case that murder can not be justified under any angle in Dubai? Terrorism is practiced by Arabs. It is not individual action. It is organized warfare of a different kind than has existed until now, but their strikes are often carried out by lone assassins. There have been rules of war in place but they do not apply to terrorist acts, because terroristsdo not wear uniforms, do not represent one nation, but are international crime syndicates, and new ways to fight these criminals must be found. It forces nations to change the rules of warfare, and in Gaza, Israel preceded to commence that. Other nations will follow and do the same thing and expand the rules and methods of warfare against these crime syndicates. I have heard at least one American voice on this issue speaking out. Since terrorists, working with criminal operatives, hide behind anonymity, terrorism and under cover action, one mode of fighting them is to fight them by their own methods.
12:25 PM on 02/18/2010
The murdered operative has killed and targetted innocent civilians, individuals and soft targets. Among his victims were African Israeli children, even babies. Jordan and Egypt had outstanding warrants for him. In Gaza there are warring factions of Hamas, and a new ultra rightwing Islamic faction. There are *issues* between Fatah and Hamas, and among Fatah members. Abbas recently spoke out about his fear of being murdered in the same manner as Arafat found his end. This Hamas Operative had a Syrian residency, probably nationality. The murdered operative had been jailed in Egypt. And I am just one old woman picking this up from reading blogs in a few hrs. Again, this man had recently declared openly that he would be honored to die a martyr, and may have known that his time was up. It is rather strange that he was in Dubai at that time, but just after the Israeli delegation had left. This 76 yr old granny is asking herself, why was this man even allowed to walk around in Dubai? It is really too soon to come to conclusions. The real justice on this is still out, and may never be proven. Operatives work in the dark, under cover, and often for opposing interests. He was a weapons smuggler and dealer as well.
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jwcmass
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04:37 PM on 02/18/2010
There is such a thing as the rule of law.

If this individual WAS a terrorist (and the proof is...?) then the proper procedure is arrest, trial, and imprisonment if there is a conviction.

Also, I am pretty sure Dubai has laws against assassination.
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flamflurm
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08:47 PM on 02/17/2010
Six Britons are all dual citizens? Send us a link, please, Mr Wyne.
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03:54 AM on 02/18/2010
I am currently typing from my phone, so attaching links may be a mission :) But click the second or third links embedded in the text above, and they'll take you to the articles I've referenced. Thanks :)
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flamflurm
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12:43 PM on 02/19/2010
Got 'em. Thank you. BTW, apparently Mahmoud had a history of buying rockets from the Iranians in Dubai. Also, apparently he always traveled with bodyguards, but this time he didn't. How would the conspirators have known that this time he'd be traveling vulnerable? I bet he was offered up by his own.
02:26 PM on 02/19/2010
Flamflurm while you demand evidence for mossad's involvement in the assasination where is your evidence that Al Mabhouh bought anything from Iran .... Mossad said so?
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08:20 PM on 02/17/2010
Israel remains in a state of denial as to the real causes of the problems they experience in the Mideast. As long as they oppress the Palestinians, steal their land and commit murder and mayhem, everybody they assassinate will be replaced by another person more determined than ever to end Israeli oppression. All Israel succeeds in doing is making themselves hated and further radicalizing their opposition.
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08:46 PM on 02/17/2010
Even if they put all the Palestinians in palaces, the Israelis will still be the preferred target of the jihadists.
11:14 AM on 02/19/2010
I'm sure if one were to go through the comments and "letters to the editor" during the reign of Apartheid South Africa, one would find something like: "Even if we put all the black people in palaces they would still prefer to act violently...". Which is basically a big mass of hollow red-herring that can't fool anyone anymore, Palestinians aren't asking for Palaces, nor are they begging for financial aid: they just want equal rights. On the top of which are freedoms; freedom of expression, of movement. Right to self determination and to political representation. End of occupation. Right to statehood. National aspiration. Like any other people on earth, they want nothing more and nothing else. Israel, as the commenter before me rightly said, doesn't recognize the real grievances of the Palestinians. Israel think violence and killing are panacea to all its problems. Everything is a 'security concern' as far as Israel is concerned.
11:39 AM on 02/19/2010
"The murdered operative has killed and targetted innocent civilians, individuals and soft targets. Among his victims were African Israeli children, even babies. "

According to who? All I know is that he'd planned the kidnapping and killing of two IDF soldiers. That what HE had confessed to doing. All other claims are made by Israel Hasbara (propaganda) and I'm not buying them. I'm not saying they're not true. I'm refusing to accept that just because Mossad killed somebody, then he must have been a rightful target. This is law of the jungle. It's amazing that in the aftermath of the disastrous presidency of Bush, human right activists are after the current administration to prosecute those who'd OKed torture and renditions. (Cheney and co). Even while dealing with "terrorists" (I take liberty in dismissing that term altogether because MSM and Officials refused to call Joseph Stack a terrorist, even though he definitely is), there is a legal due process. You can't send assassins to off your political/militant adversaries on third party's land. That's ridiculous. Because by your logic, Hamas and Hezbollah could be justified in targeting IDF officers abroad since they think they also are 'terrorists'. (given the track record in Gaza, Lebanon and Genin refugee camp/)
12:38 PM on 02/18/2010
satzman, you are off topic! There is no proof of who killed that terrorist murderer and who gave the order to do so. With a man like this Mahmoud, it could well have been several sources at the same time. Again, the issue is not Israel, it is the murder of a known terrorist, murderer, operative and weapons dealer. The characters indicated on the videos had long left when the operative was found in a locked hotel room. No actual footage, or proof of who actually killed him has been found. What is being done here is *hineininterpretierung* - no proof, no logic, and there is not just one party with a motive. Arrest warrants for the operative were in effect by Jordan and Egypt at the time of his demise.
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drjasonmd
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02:07 PM on 02/18/2010
So unless someone comes up with actual video footage of the murder itself, we cannot look at all the other evidence?

It's a good thing real murder cases don't work that way, otherwise we'd never convict anyone.
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jwcmass
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05:14 PM on 02/18/2010
And what about the presumption of innocence until proven guilty of this "known terrorist"?

Either the rule of law applies to EVERYONE or NO ONE.

As I said above, the proper procedure is to ARREST, TRY, CONVICT, and IMPRISON.

Not to resort to becoming murderous thugs.
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flamflurm
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07:19 PM on 02/17/2010
Here's a very interesting video: http://video.gulfnews.com/services/player/bcpid4267205001?bctid=66672644001
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flamflurm
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07:17 PM on 02/17/2010
Fire, brimstone, and wink. Good riddance.
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Hisham Wyne
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03:56 AM on 02/18/2010
Hmmm, good riddance perhaps. But when Israeli and British citizens have warrants issued against them because their identities were gratuitously nicked, the social and diplomatic cost may be too high. The Israel-Britain spat is heating up, apparently.
12:47 PM on 02/18/2010
Hisham, I live in the U.S. As so many persons in the U.S. my ID has been stolen in the past. ID's are stolen for a variety of reasons, most often to obtain merchandise without paying for it. It is rather easy to do it. ANYONE can disguise himself/herself, state that his passport is lost, moreover, come in with fake documentation and obtain a REAL COPY of a passport.That copy is like a real, original, passport. In European offices there are, moreover, often copies of such passports, obtained for legal purposes - now outlawed in one European country. Persons with dual citizenship are easy targets for such operations as they live in one country, and may only use one passport, and then find out accidentally that their ID/passport has been used, stolen. That a *spat is heating up* is no proof of anything. However, the case illustrates that a few things must change, and individuals can start that themselves. We are in dire need of changes in international law, guarding of ID, proof of ID, protection of propertytheft, protection under contractlaw, etc., etc.
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jwcmass
I dream of things that never were and ask Why not
02:29 AM on 02/20/2010
flamflurm,

The only thing that occurs to me by way or response and reaction is the speech that Robert Kennedy gave the day after Martin Luther King was assassinated (not that I am comparing Mahmoud al Mabhouh to MLK) --but the theme is one which is all too appropriate to this act -- and to this conflict in general.

Here is the full text: http://www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Resources/Archives/Reference+Desk/Speeches/RFK/138RFK3SEN21SPEECHES_68APR05.htm

and here is an excerpt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_Vll-t0H6A