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Rush Limbaugh Has Had It With Me

Posted: 08/07/2012 8:23 pm

WASHINGTON -- I have news to report: Rush Limbaugh has finally had it with me. He has decided that I'm rooting for America's decline and that I'm a part of President Barack Obama's "crop of Democrats."

None of that is true, but it's worth recounting how Rush and I got to this point. It is a small but instructive tale about today's ferociously accusatory political culture.

Once upon a time, we debated.

Now we tweet and rant in a world of sound bites and the sound-bitten.

As I watched the Olympics opening ceremony from London on July 27, I tweeted a thought about the arc of British imperial history. I knew something about it, having studied history in London as a college student years ago and as a frequent visitor ever since.

"Brits long ago lost their empire, powerful currency," I wrote. "They've got social strife, but overall show us how to lose global power gracefully."

That was enough for Rush. "A tantamount admission that that's exactly what Obama is doing!" he declared. "Obama is overseeing the decline! Obama is the author of the decline! And now we find that that's good. We can learn from the Brits how to lose power gracefully! Yes, there is a graceful way to lose global power. There is a wonderful way to go out there and become a doormat."

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"So you have it," he concluded. "That's the future. Howard Fineman and Barack Obama."

I had joined the pantheon of the despised.

Back in the day, Rush used to tolerate me, if for no other reason than because I'm from Pittsburgh and listened to him there when he was a rock DJ known as "Jeff Christie."

I'm a Steelers fan, and so is he. So there is that, too.

Back when I was at Newsweek in the 1990s, I spent a day in Rush's New York studio and wrote a cover story about radio loudmouths, including him. I treated him as a powerful figure then, and I still do.

Like him or loathe him, Limbaugh has clout, especially in the grassroots of the Tea Party, whose many adherents are conducting a hostile takeover of what used to be a mainstream Republican Party.

"Now he's obviously a lib and a Democrat," Rush said of me on his show. "I never thought he was nuts. I never thought he was part of this crop of Democrats."

Well first of all, Rush, I may be nuts, but I am not part of any crop of Democrats or political types of any kind. I'm pretty well known for keeping an even keel ideologically and for steering clear of partisanship. I'm old-fashioned, even out of date, in this deconstructionist era, in which everyone is assumed to have an ulterior -- political -- motive. I don't. I really don't.

Second, when I said "us," I wasn't talking about the United States, at least not in the here and now. I was talking about humanity and world history and empires of every kind and every age.

I do not think that America is in decline. All you have to do is look at the faces of the U.S. kids in the Olympics and the tech crew at NASA to know that we are not. You think that we are in decline -- and that the answer is less government and lower taxes.

I don't necessarily disagree with your prescriptions, as long as the taxes are fairly distributed and adequate to the task of accomplishing what we as a democratic society decide are valid, indispensable purposes.

Those so far include Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, unemployment insurance, disability payments, national defense, roads and bridges, scientific research and food safety regulation, to name a few. In other words, most of what the federal government now does.

I am not a declinist. Just because every empire of the past has moved into a post-imperial phase doesn't mean I want that to happen -- or think it necessarily will happen -- to the U.S.

I hope it doesn't happen. I believe that we are indeed the indispensable nation. Our Constitution is one of the greatest gifts of the human mind to the destiny of mankind. Our mix of individualist grit and dedication to family, faith and community makes us unique. We were the first nation ever built from the ground up. In fact, I wrote a book praising our special freedoms and responsibilities.

I am every bit as much of a patriot as you are. I pray that we can defy history.

But if we can't, London (and Team GB, which has won a boatload of Olympic medals this year) is not a bad model for what should come next.

 

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WASHINGTON -- I have news to report: Rush Limbaugh has finally had it with me. He has decided that I'm rooting for America's decline and that I'm a part of President Barack Obama's "crop of Democrats.
WASHINGTON -- I have news to report: Rush Limbaugh has finally had it with me. He has decided that I'm rooting for America's decline and that I'm a part of President Barack Obama's "crop of Democrats.
 
 
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cedw1528
08:59 PM on 08/25/2012
In Plato's Timaeus, "There is a story that once upon a time Paethon, the son of Helios, having yoked the steeds in his father's chariot, because he was not able to drive them in the path of his father, burnt up all that was upon the earth, and was himself destroyed by a thunderbolt. Now this has the form of a myth, but really signifies a declination of the bodies moving in the heavens around the earth, and a great conflagration of things upon the earth." Rush is a dreamy polemicist who can't stand "liberals" so much he would burn everything down around his ears to be conservative. He dreams of Mark Twain's Guilded Age when everyone voted, everyone was religious and social darwinism was the rage, boom and bust economics and uneven pockmarked cratered wealth centers was surrounded by massive poverty and London and Paris and Wall Street lavished money into these craters of wealth. It was also the time of the Grant Administration and ineffective corrupt government. Somehow the country survived it and horrors, we got the New Deal and Eisenhower's military industrial complex.We inflate and deflate the quantum of everything and think we have people pegged...
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04:08 PM on 08/22/2012
Howard, you're a national treasure. Thanks for being so gentle with Limbaugh. He is very fragile, mentally, and it's kind of you to take that into consideration when speaking of him.
02:47 PM on 08/21/2012
The bottom line here is that Howard Fineman argues that Rush misinterpreted the word "us" in Fineman's statement. Based on that "mis"interpretation, then, Rush proceeded to "label" Fineman in a way that Fineman objected to. I'm sorry, but this sounds like a "food fight" to me. We can give 50 lashes with a wet noodle to Rush for leaping to a conclusion and a similar 50 lashes to Mr. Fineman for failing to realize the ambiguity created by his word choice. Now, you boys shake hands and promise to be good.
04:35 PM on 08/15/2012
We may not be in decline but I remember hearing an attorney for the defendants in the Exxon Valdez spill say that in America the Rule of Law has all but disappeared. Can anyone disagree with that? Isn't the Rule of Law the foundation for our democracy and our Constitution? Just askin'
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CuteBiGuy
02:15 PM on 08/13/2012
If Rush hates you then you must be at least somewhat of a good guy. It's better to be disliked by Rush than actually liked in my opinion.
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Treeske
09:21 AM on 08/11/2012
"Rush Limbaugh got it right 95% of the time!" A quote by a homeschooled, barely literal rural young adult. Rush's success, proves most of his audience close to the young man quoted. Anybody doubts the US is on the decline?
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NVEd
I love mountains.
09:13 AM on 08/10/2012
Howard Fineman has A.B. from Colgate, an M.S. in journalism from Columbia and a J.D. from the University of Louisville. Rush Limbaugh has a mouth and microphone.

I have enjoyed reading Howard Fineman's writing for years and will continue to do so. In my view listening to Rush Limbaugh is a waste of time and only indulged in by people who don't know any better.
07:51 AM on 08/09/2012
I am a Fineman fan .. And think his points about Rush are well taken. however, all of the deconstructing of Rush could have and should have been done before Rush turns his venom on you personally.

Journalists should be in the business of debunking the bs out there (like Rush) ... So we can cut through the smoke to focus on our real issues.

I guess we have to rely on the Daily show for that, till a Fineman is personally insulted.
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CornellDublier
Historical facts are tuff on Republican­s.”
07:32 AM on 08/09/2012
See it just goes to show you Howie, Rush the mush mouth never did and never will have anything constructive to say. He can't sell product if he can't sell the destruction mantra.
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MonkeyDaddy
Agent of Evolution
06:35 AM on 08/09/2012
I don't dislike you Howard, but I am getting really tired of members of the national media writing about their relationships with each other. Myopic inside baseball is just not very interesting to me.
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sodisenchanted
oh yea, well don't tread on me either!
05:26 AM on 08/09/2012
Howard, you are wasting you're breath. Rush may be a powerful political figure but that doesn't mean he is rational or that he even wants to be. If he has had it with you, consider yourself honored and don't spend any more of your time thinking about it. We enjoy you thinking and pontificating on more interesting things than Rush.
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Firstnten
"The dream shall never die"
01:54 AM on 08/09/2012
You are clearly doing something right if Rush hates you. Keep it up.
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2milewidewatereachside
01:13 AM on 08/09/2012
" I treated him as a powerful figure then, and I still do" An example of how unpowerfull .
maddiemom
Retired teacher and ex-corporate wife.
12:21 AM on 08/09/2012
Howard: as a liberal follower of yours (and also from the Pittsburgh area, only knowing that you were recently), I'm always bemused by the signs you show of total awareness of the "crock" in politics. without daring to go crazy on it. We all know what happens to those who do. However the total Romney lies are getting out of hand. Are any of you guys going to draw a line?
12:13 AM on 08/09/2012
If Rush Limbaugh has clout in the teaparty that should tell you just how smart (?) those people are.