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Time to End Birthright Citizenship?

Posted: 01/27/2012 1:18 pm

Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), a hardliner on illegal immigration, has introduced a bill to redefine the meaning of "citizenship." His intent is to exclude the children of illegal immigrants, and to many people's surprise, he has 81 cosponsors. With the calls of moderate Republican senators Lindsay Graham and John McCain to change the law to end what is known as "birthright citizenship," the issue is no longer relegated to the fringe. It's worth examining how we got to this point and why we need to make a change.

Under the current interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, all persons born in the country and "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" (the "Citizenship Clause") are U.S. citizens. The amendment was enacted just after the Civil War for the purpose of enfranchising former slaves. However, Congress did not word the amendment in those terms. Rather, as with prior amendments, it expressed itself in broad, grandiose terms. Think of the First Amendment ("Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech or of the press"). What is "speech"? Are political action committees covered? We leave it to the courts to decide. The Constitution does not contain definitions. And likewise, the meaning of the Citizenship Clause eludes us. Are the children of immigrants citizens? But in this age of mass immigration, it should not.

Unless we know the meaning of the phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof," we simply don't know. The congressional debates over the Citizenship Clause include statements pointing in different directions. Sen. Jacob Howard (R-Mich, 1862-1871) stated that "foreigners," "aliens," and foreign diplomats would be excluded from citizenship (presumably their children, as well). But when asked point-blank if Chinese immigrants in California and "gypsies" would be citizens, another sponsor answered in the affirmative. In 1884 the Supreme Court decided that an Indian born on a reservation in Nebraska was not a citizen (Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94, 103 [1884]). But in 1898 the court took the opposite approach and held the child of legal Chinese immigrants was a citizen by virtue of his birth in California (United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 655 [1898]). This question has not been reviewed by the court since. The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 (currently in effect, though amended many times) defines "citizen" as a person born in the U.S. "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" (U.S.C. 1401[a]), thereby eluding the question rather than clarifying it.

Birthright citizenship has been abandoned by the U.K., France, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland, and India as immigration has increased over the last 30 years. Outside the developing world, it remains the law only in the U.S. and Canada. Rep. Steve King's bill would define "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" to exclude the children of illegal immigrants, thereby ending the incentive for pregnant women to give birth here. It would also declare that the children of most legal immigrants are not citizens, either. Some legal scholars believe Congress cannot make this change by statute because of the Wong Kim Ark decision. I disagree, because that case did not concern the child of an illegal immigrant. It's simply a stretch to say such children fall within the Citizenship Clause as originally drafted or interpreted in that case. And I'm in good company in thinking this is subject to reinterpretation: Judge Richard Posner of the Seventh Circuit of Appeals also believes the idea of birthright citizenship is "nonsense" and could be done away with by Congress (Oforji v. Ashcroft, 354 F.3d 609, 620 [7th Cir. 2003]).

Perhaps the American public disagrees with Congressman King's approach and wants the status quo to continue. I doubt this. Illegal immigration is controversial, and a recent Rasmussen poll shows that 65 percent of likely voters oppose allowing the children of illegal immigrants to obtain birthright citizenship. But the issue should be addressed sensibly and carefully in Congress. There is much at stake regarding the interpretation of the Citizenship Clause, and we would benefit as a nation from knowing what it really means today.

 
Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), a hardliner on illegal immigration, has introduced a bill to redefine the meaning of "citizenship." His intent is to exclude the children of illegal immigrants, and to many ...
Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), a hardliner on illegal immigration, has introduced a bill to redefine the meaning of "citizenship." His intent is to exclude the children of illegal immigrants, and to many ...
 
 
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12:32 PM on 02/14/2012
According to Judge Richard Posner, there is NO NEED TO AMEND THE CONSTITUTION. In a recent holding on this subject he wrote:

"A constitutional amendment may be required to change the rule whereby birth in this country automatically confers U.S. citizenship, but I doubt it." Posner concluded: "Congress would not be flouting the Constitution if it amended the Immigration and Nationality Act to put an end to the nonsense."

He also wrote that automatic grants of citizenship by birth is one that "Congress should rethink" and that the United States "should not be encouraging foreigners to come to the United States solely to enable them to confer U.S. citizenship on their future children."

If you want the latest and best report on birthright citizenship, see:

Birthright Citizenship in the United States: A Global Comparison
http://www.cis.org/birthright-citizenship
12:11 PM on 02/05/2012
Many opponents of this legislation will call people who want to end birthright citizenship racists who hate hispanics/latinos.

However, putting an end to this loophole will also end birth tourism for other nationalities who use the Canadian border, US overseas territories/possessions in the Caribbean/Pacific, and flights to the USA in order to give birth in a US hospital/clinic.

Ending this loophole will save taxpayers billions of dollars each year by ending welfare and social services to parents who have no desire to become US citizens, but don't mind cashing their child's monthly welfare checks.
09:12 PM on 02/20/2012
"Ending this loophole will save taxpayers billions of dollars each year by ending welfare and social services to parents who have no desire to become US citizens, but don't mind cashing their child's monthly welfare checks."

May i have some literature that backs these claims?
I am most interested in the, "cashing their child's monthly welfare checks," part.
Thanks in advance,
Chris
08:21 AM on 02/27/2012
You can go to any latino majority supermarket and see the large number of women who do not speak any english, that proudly go to the counter and use a food stamp card to pay for her groceries. I live in a Mexican/Latino majority neighborhood, and I shop with coupons, I buy off brand items. Im often behind a little "poor" latin family who speaks no English, and they have the most expensive Ice Creams, Cereal etc, next to their tortilla and frijoles. Then when they pay, they use there Food Stamp card.
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05:33 PM on 02/02/2012
If only we had ended birthright citizenship before the gringos invaded and stole half of Mexico's land!
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06:32 PM on 02/07/2012
You have land in Mexico, what are you doing with it besides using as a dump?
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CrestedSparrow
08:32 PM on 02/11/2012
That's how the Spaniards left it. Just like Americans are turning the USA into a sewer.
06:55 PM on 02/01/2012
Americans take back your country, and kick -out all these left wing liberals who would do anything for a vote and dollar.
Question , this Amendment , and the laws that allows a person 21 to bring his family into this country.
This country needs to update or redefine the laws and amendments concerning immigration, and citizenship.
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dtairtime
It is what it is
01:01 PM on 02/01/2012
Typical lawyer who tries hard to muddy the waters on this subject and it's history.

They only thing he correctly states without messing it up is: ""Under the current interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution"". The key words here are "current interpretation". What that really means is we have NO SCOTUS ruling on it's current abuse.

The author then goes further to try to speak about the debates over the key phrase "under the jurisdiction". The quotes are correct but missing details and context. A better source of correct info is here: http://www.14thamendment.us/birthright_citizenship/original_intent.html

Then he brings up the Ark case as though it were relevant in the debate over this current use. Ark clearly is different because of ONE key fact - the parents were here legally. Not a small distinction by anyone’s measure.

He also is deficit in not mentioning that congress can actually define what "underr the jurisdiction" means. They can do this today. The differences between an illegal and a citizen are enormous and illegals are much closer to diplomats in their lack of jurisdiction. For instance.
1. Illegals can't vote.
2. Illegals can't serve on juries.
3. Illegals aren't required to register for selective service.
4. Illegals can be ordered home by another country.
5. Illegals can be represented by a foreign power in all legal matters.
6. Illegals can't be ordered to stay here unless some other criminal/civil action is occurring that mandates it.
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dtairtime
It is what it is
03:38 PM on 02/01/2012
Sorry for the double post.

The censors - mods help up the lower one for over 2 hours without listing it as pending so I resubmitted it.
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Conservative Mark
Everybody knows its now or never. Everybody knows
11:04 AM on 02/08/2012
Same thing happened to me last week. As a super user you can delete one of the posts. :)
05:26 PM on 02/01/2012
Good post. Additionally by law illegals cannot work or drive, but commit numerous felonies to do so anyway.
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dtairtime
It is what it is
11:01 AM on 02/01/2012
Typical lawyer who tries hard to muddy the waters on this subject and it's history.

They only thing he correctly states without messing it up is: ""Under the current interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution"". The key words here are current interpretation. What that means is we have NO SCOTUS ruling on it's current abuse.

The author then goes further to try to speak about the debates over the key phrase "under the jurisdiction". The quotes are correct but missing details and context. A better source of key and correct info is here: http://www.14thamendment.us/birthright_citizenship/original_intent.html

Then he brings up the Ark case as though it were relevant in the debate over this current use. Ark clearly is different because of ONE key fact - the parents were here legally. Not a small distinction by anyone’s measure.

He also is deficit in not mentioning that congress can actually define what "underr the jurisdiction" means. They can do this today. The differences between an illegal and a citizen are enormous and illegals are much closer to diplomats in their lack of jurisdiction. For instance.
1. Illegals can't vote.
2. Illegals can't serve on juries.
3. Illegals aren't required to register for selective service.
4. Illegals can be ordered home by another country.
5. Illegals can be represented by a foreign power in all legal matters.
6. Illegals can't be ordered to stay here unless some other criminal/civil action is occuring that mandates it.
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RobietheCat
Totalitarianism is the work of VERY small minds
10:34 PM on 02/10/2012
re: "Then he brings up the Ark case as though it were relevant in the debate over this current use. Ark clearly is different because of ONE key fact - the parents were here legally. Not a small distinctio­n by anyone’s measure."

- Actually, he made a case not done very often, which was to point out:

" Some legal scholars believe Congress cannot make this change by statute because of the Wong Kim Ark decision. I disagree, because that case did not concern the child of an illegal immigrant."

Wong Kim Ark's parents were LEGALLY DOMICILED in the United States when Wong was born. BIG DIFFERENCE.
12:23 PM on 01/31/2012
We need to end birthright citizenship in order to save our country. Illegals, mostly Mexicans, YES, I SAID IT, have taken advantage of our generosity for too long!!!!!
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BigGayInc
11:42 PM on 01/29/2012
Never happen.
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03:38 PM on 01/30/2012
It will happen, it must happen if we are to remain a country.

"Birthright Citizenship is the automatic granting of citizenship to children born within a nation's borders or territories. The United States and Canada are the only developed nations in the world to still offer Birthright Citizenship to tourists and illegal aliens."

"The following are among the nations repealing Birthright Citizenship in recent years:

Australia (2007) New Zealand (2005) Ireland (2005) France (1993) India (1987) Malta (1989) UK (1983) Portugal (1981)"

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/issues/birthright-citizenship/nations-granting-birthright-citizenship.html
10:18 PM on 01/29/2012
The wikipedia article says that 60 % of all Americans would loose their citizenship if this law would be enacted some time ago. Germany is getting old and with less young people mostly because their immigration policies. I have just sated facts not added my 2 pennies yet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_Demographics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli
12:44 PM on 01/30/2012
Don't know where you are getting that 60% number from, but it sounds way high.
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03:30 PM on 01/30/2012
No they won't. There will be a cutoff date, say 31 Dec 2012. Anyone born 1 Jan 2013 would be a citizen of their parents country. You must have at lease one US parent or be a legal resident parent to be born a US citizen.

Anyone here, born a citizen, is a citizen.
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Buzzm1
02:12 PM on 01/28/2012
Pew Hispanic Center reported that 340,000 births to undocumented immigrants in 2009;
http://bit.ly/atuwTY

each birth costs U.S. taxpayers $0.145 Million Dollars, just for birth and K12 education

340,000 x .145M = $49.3 Billion Dollars a year http://bit.ly/9BHPU5
05:45 PM on 01/29/2012
Not to mention the Hundreds of Billions spent for Welfare, Food Stamps, Law Enforcement, Correctional facilities Hospital and emergency room visits .
LA County and California are a great example of the of this mass infestation of foreigners entering our nation illegally .
10:19 PM on 01/29/2012
To be fair, you should also provide a link for the benefits, or it's all cost ?
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03:25 PM on 01/30/2012
"Among the key finding of the report are that the state's already struggling K-12 education system spends approximately $7.7 billion a year to school the children of illegal aliens who now constitute 15 percent of the student body. Another $1.4 billion of the taxpayers' money goes toward providing health care to illegal aliens and their families, the same amount that is spent incarcerating illegal aliens criminals."

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/caillegals.htm
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06:12 PM on 01/27/2012
 "A cottage industry has built up around the U.S. system of birthright citizenship. Dozens of firms exploit birthright citizenship by offering "birth tourism" packages online. Well-heeled pregnant tourists pay $5,000 and $15,000 (depending on the package) in exchange for a room, medical assistance, and a newborn U.S. citizen (some packages also include sightseeing). Once the child is born, they get a U.S. birth certificate and passport for the child, and their future link to this country is established and irreversible. The process is completely legal.
As one entrepreneur who caters to Chinese clients told The Washington Post: "We don't encourage moms to break the law -- just to take advantage of it."

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/issues/birthright-citizenship/birth-tourism.html
04:13 PM on 01/30/2012
I recently met a Chinese couple vacationing here in the USA who plan on doing this to get around China's one child law!! Apparently if the child is not a Chinese citizen, it doesn't count against the couples one child limit??!!!
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01:19 AM on 02/04/2012
Additionally, many middle eastern families are taking advantage of this birthright citizenship opportunity. In eighteen years, they will be eligible to vote in U.S. elections. Considering that many of those countries teach their children to hate the USA, we MUST change this NOW!
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03:41 PM on 01/27/2012
About darn time! The USA handing over the USA to foreigners by simple visiting the USA is an atrocious acceptance. The child should have and maintain the citizenship of the parent, plain and simple.
12:05 AM on 01/28/2012
agreed
RealistBC
Micro-bios must pass muster.
02:55 PM on 01/27/2012
You will have to amend the Constitution to bring about this change you seek, but then we all know that "conservatives" care nothing about the Constitution. All of their actions scream this knowledge.
12:11 PM on 01/28/2012
And here I thought it was the "progressives" that cared nothing for the Constitution.
12:27 AM on 01/30/2012
Until you are a Supreme Court justice, your opinion about an amendment being needed is worthless.
matt50
Every job isa selfportrait of the person who did i
01:20 PM on 01/30/2012
Not true, 65% of Americans, think this law should be changed. By us speaking out, something might get done. By us being quite, things will get done, to benefit those who will profit by no change. Always speak out your thoughts, you'd be surprised who's listening.
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Bethab
02:47 PM on 01/27/2012
"all persons born in the country and "subject to the jurisdiction thereof"

Were you born here? Are you required to follow our laws? If yes to both questions...you are a citizen...regardless of what people think of your parents.

I also love the idea that we should never listen to what they do in European countries (socialized medicine? Gasp!) but we should when they do away with this right.
10:20 PM on 01/29/2012
Bravo! To BE an American is not enough just to be born here....
12:33 AM on 01/30/2012
Except illegal alien babies can and frequently do obtain foreign citizenship also. In the Senate debate, it's clear the citizenship clause was for those subject to the complete jurisdiction of the USA, not partial jurisdiction.
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Bethab
09:33 AM on 01/30/2012
Many people have duel citizenship, whether they fall into this category or not. Would you deny ALL of them American citizenship? If so, you must do away with the possibility of duel citizenship under any circumstances or accept that you can't do away with that category only for one group of people. Equal rights and all...
02:46 PM on 01/27/2012
Children born in the US should be given the same citizenship as the parents.
10:24 PM on 01/29/2012
They sometimes do. That's how we have all dual/triple citizenship's that are ingrate d into our culture, raised here, educated here and exploring all around the world and bringing business back to us or in the other hand, running our corporates overseas. We have many passports. We export dollars and people as well, that's our colonization of other countries, by our stronger culture. You guys don't really read too much sociology/anthropology, right ?