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Both Sides Now: Obama a Leader? Tea Party Loser? SuperPacs Legal?

Posted: 08/21/11 09:49 PM ET

By Mark Green

It's August, when everyone's gone but a lot's happening. Congress is hearing from constituents who care more about "entitlements" than cuts. Obama appears about to stop playing rope-a-dope with opponents while Perry learns the ropes of running for president. And: can cities shut down social media to prevent crime (remember Tom Cruise and the "Office of Pre-Crime" in Minority Report)? (Listen to entire show below.)

*On Obama's Leadership: The President has been attacked by many on the "professional Left" and all on the Right for a lack of leadership, with liberals fretting that he's too compromising and conservatives asserting that he doesn't specify his plans. Has he been more transactional than transformative? Or will he again (sports metaphor alert!) limp to the line of scrimmage and break off a big run?

Kellyanne Conway argues that the President didn't do much when he had congressional majorities yet is also "overreaching" and "joyless." She cites Obama supporter Drew Westen's scathing opinion piece in the NYT on the President's lack of a narrative and managerial experience.

Ron Reagan, to the contrary, thinks that he's "underreached" because there's no sincere Republican party to negotiate with since they simply want to defeat him. While he agrees with Frank Rich that 44 has been too passive, he predicts that Obama may be on the verge of changing his tone after the August recess. "He has to decide what kind of president he wants to be." [The third view: he played possum when necessary and now will strategically shift from being a legislating/compromising President to a more outspoken/contrasting one.]

*On Tea Party's Sliding Popularity. We listen to Bill Maher satirically explain why Democrats need a nutty left-wing version of the hostage-taking Tea Party, "let's call it the Donner Party -- we will eat each other before giving an inch!" Since the Tea Party has gone from a favorable rating of one-third to now 20% favorable to 40% unfavorable, according to the CBS-NYT poll, are they the inmates taking over the asylum? We listen to kudos from Bill O'Reilly and George Will, the latter implying they will be like Goldwater leading to Reagan. Kellyanne explains away recent poll decline to "scaring people because of their success," adding that they surely have changed the conversation and agenda in Washington at least on debt and deficit issues. Also, the Tea Party has no obvious leaders so there's no Perot to fail and drag down the whole movement.

Ron mocks them as an amalgam of "people in tri-cornered hats led around by Koch brothers money... and representing the 19% of Americans who don't believe in evolution." As for changing the debate on deficits, he observes with admirable disinterestedness that it was President Reagan who first changed the conversation when he doubled deficits and then when VP Cheney concluded that "[President] Reagan proved that deficits don't matter."

What about Governor Perry's attack on Fed Chairman Bernanke's monetary policies as "treasonous"? Kellyanne agrees they were "inartful and inaccurate [because they were] about the person not the policy." Ron thinks the comment shows the Governor to be "an incredible lightweight [who lacks] presidential character."

*On the Rise of SuperPacs. These new entities are spending hundreds of millions of new dollars on behalf of candidates because a) Karl Rove found an IRS provision previously thought to allow deductible gifts to charitable groups and b) the Supreme Court in Citizens United last year by 5-4 concluded that corporations for the first time could spend unlimited monies out of their corporate treasuries for political purposes because companies were "people" constitutionally. ["Can I marry GE, "the host muses?]

Kellyanne defends them as lawful and constitutional; she also stresses that the issue should be disclosure and wonders why this segment focuses only on the GOP given big-spending liberals like George Soros. (She's asked why the GOP filibustered and defeated a law requiring SuperPac disclosure... and asked about Soros, who doesn't give secret gifts from corporate treasuries).

Ron thinks that all private money should be banned because interest groups "don't give it for nothing" and it's ruining democracy... but at the least the IRS should investigate these new creations and Obama by Executive Order should require federal contractors to disclose their political donations.

*Quick Takes: Newborns' life-expectancy, Bloomberg's $$, Social Media & Crime. Both agree that a heel prick of blood from newborns showing likely diseases is desirable but disagree about any testing pre-birth about gender because it could lead couples to reject girl babies like in China (says Kellyanne, with Ron disagreeing). Mayor Mike Bloomberg is both a policy official and donor, giving $30 million to a program trying to reduce unemployment among black youth: Ron thinks that fine while Kellyanne worries about combining such power politically and financially in one person. Ron takes a strict civil liberties view of allowing police to interrupt social media that could be used to organize flash mobs and riots, while Kellyanne thinks it could have a useful law enforcement purpose.

*On the Radar: Mr. Reagan notes three GOP presidential primary debates coming up in September alone, including one September 7 at the "Reagan Presidential Library."

Ms. Conway cautions about how rising energy, food and clothing prices will hit average families hard when school comes back in September. The Host suggests that listeners get On Demand HBO's Gloria: In Her Own Words because, irrespective of party, "she showed how to overcome prejudice and insecurity to make history. Diana Nyad couldn't swim all 103 miles, but Gloria Steinem did over her lifetime."

Mark Green is the creator and host of Both Sides Now, which is powered by the American Federation of Teachers.

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PotomacOracle
The Solution:debt free credit clearing systems
08:01 PM on 08/25/2011
Ron has really got his snark on tonight. Love the Romney and Perry pieces. Should go viral.
dcgal1
what does this mean?
02:01 PM on 08/22/2011
It's funny to me that people like Ron Regan ( ex-ballerina) and Frank Rich (draw your own conclusions)
have the nerve to question whether the president is weak or not.
All things considered, unless you're a Obama hater I believe most people would question if these 2 men are any position to say who is tough and who is not. I'm just saying.
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jamaicalover
Team Obama
10:09 AM on 08/22/2011
A look back at the polls. Once upon a time both Reagan and Clinton had poll numbers below 40%. They each rebounded and won a second term.
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muysuave41
Olive Oil Producer
12:10 PM on 08/22/2011
Sorry to say but that is a false equivalency for today. The deck is stacked much heavier towards the elite.
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jamaicalover
Team Obama
12:56 PM on 08/22/2011
Why exactly is it a false equivalency?
09:03 AM on 08/22/2011
I like Ron Reagan but his optimism about Obama changing his tune is based soley on hope because every indication is that he will be talking about the same old warmed over GOP ideas like more tax cuts, free trade deals and patent reform with an infrastructure program added on and more importantly he will still be pandering to his corporate sponsors by proposing more cuts to social programs in exchange for keeping the pentagon budget safe so he can indulge his delusions of grandeur through the overseas empire. I hope Ron Reagan is right and I am wrong but I doubt it.
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artleads
Let's have a national retreat.
10:34 AM on 08/22/2011
This sounds about right. So what can we do about it?
nothingchanges
too soon old, too late smart
08:49 AM on 08/22/2011
This debate has little meaning without addressing the obvious.

Our elections are financed by what amounts to nothing less, then state sanctioned, legalized bribery.

An "honest politician"......................doesn't even see his name on the ballot.

Unless one agrees to "play the game" in order to obtain special interests money, it's nearly impossible to raise the millions of dollars needed to run a winning campaign. A game that Both major parties rely on for funding.

The ONLY people in America that have seen their standard of living rise in the past 30 years,are the wealthy. The same small segment of society that funds politicians campaigns. I do not believe those two "coincidences" are unrelated.

Our system is not just an opportunity for corruption, it's a prescription for it. We are not offered a choice of the most qualified to run our government, we get to choose between the "lesser of two evils" the two best "fund raisers". No one really asks where all that money comes from.

Small wonder our Government is "broken".

The way we finance our election process virtually guarantees a "broken government" as the outcome.
06:58 AM on 08/22/2011
Forget all of them Obama and the Republicans.

What is going on is bigger than all our conventional politics. Discussing the details of Rick Perry and Obama's leadership is just a trivial pursuit. What are we to do about the real issues? A few big famous personalities and their poll ratings is nothing at all.
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artleads
Let's have a national retreat.
10:33 AM on 08/22/2011
What do you see as the most important things?
01:11 AM on 08/22/2011
I'm at a loss to see why you think Obama may start to get tough?? I very much doubt it. And now we hear he's trying to get the NY AG off the banks' backs. That even sounds illegal somehow.