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Posted: October 10, 2010 10:04 AM

Arianna spoke with MSNBC's Alex Witt on Sunday morning about her book "Third World America," as the chances Tea Party candidates like Christine O'Donnell and Joe Miller have in the upcoming midterm elections.

The anger that many Americans feel "is producing candidates who are not electable, and Christine O'Donnell is one of them," Arianna said. "And unfortunately whoever advised her to do that new ad about 'I am not a witch' didn't do her any favors."

"The main result of the Tea Party in the elections is going to be in the turnout -- who is going to turn out is going to determine who controls the House and maybe the Senate. Of course in some cases, like in the case of Christine O'Donnell, or maybe in Nevada, in the case of Sharron Angle, the Tea Party candidate may lose Republicans the race."

Independents, who are largely disillusioned with the political establishment, are the key bloc, Arianna says.

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Arianna spoke with MSNBC's Alex Witt on Sunday morning about her book "Third World America," as the chances Tea Party candidates like Christine O'Donnell and Joe Miller have in the upcoming midterm el...
Arianna spoke with MSNBC's Alex Witt on Sunday morning about her book "Third World America," as the chances Tea Party candidates like Christine O'Donnell and Joe Miller have in the upcoming midterm el...
 
 
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ligligl
feelthy liberal! ...and not just a pretty face!
03:53 PM on 10/12/2010
i am still voting for dems - but I'm holding my nose! ...and if there were any other viable candidates...
02:24 AM on 10/11/2010
good interview and chat with Arianna.
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WestSeattle8
O futuro é agora.
01:18 AM on 10/11/2010
I would like to congratulate Karl Rove on engineering the tea party movement. I know he had plenty of help from the likes of Dick Arney, the Koch brothers and now even Virginia Thomas. Looking at some of the core ideas and tactics, I knew I had seen many of them before.

I went back and was looking at movements in the past. Shockingly, I found more similarity to another movement that swept America during the 1920's, leading to the defeat of legislators and even the impeachment of a govenor for the sole reason of opposing the movement.

In November 1923, the govenor of Oklahoma was impeached for his opposition to the Ku Klux Klan by a legislature infiltrated by Klan supporters. Candidates with KKK backing were elected to senate seats in six states. A respected four term senator from Texas was defeated by a relatively unkown candidate - who was backed by the KKK. In Youngstown Ohio, the KKK held the position of mayor and the entire city government.

I know people today think the Klan was merely to oppose the rights of African Americans, and this is true in the deep south. But from Texas to the mid-west to as far as Oregon, the KKK had a platform against anyone deemed un-American. Most members were attracted by the exact same anti-government and anti-immigrant message of the Tea Party. Congrats Rove, the Exalted Cyclops of the Tea Party.
12:31 AM on 10/11/2010
Keep up the good work Arianne. This is not the time to have a tax cut for the wealthy while asking how come the deficit is so big. Where is responsibility and where is the sacrifice shown from the top to lead people. Tax is a patriotic thing to do. We are thankful for everyday we are paying taxes; it means we are still employed and we are supporting the foundation of this country. Not avoiding taxes like the elitists and neocons. Just say only communist countries are where people don't have to pay their taxes. Tea party should move to communist countries where they will be sheltered from taxation.
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WestSeattle8
O futuro é agora.
01:24 AM on 10/11/2010
Well said. Republicans seem to think cutting spending is the only way to balance a budget. Yet they don't say what spending they cut because each cut would be detrimental to one group or another. The responsible thing to do is increase revenues to match expenditures. A good example is Social Security. If we just eliminated the caps on income that can be taxed for social security, the program would be solvent indefinately and pay outs could still increase to senior citizens and the disabled.
10:57 PM on 10/10/2010
..for all you defenders of the TARP bail outs and the plethora of other bail out policies TARP made possible, just remember when the 'middle class' is completely gone you won't defend bail outs anymore.

I know, I lived in Third World banana-republics for a long time and watch each one of these countries start their decline with their own version of TARP.

And just like Americans, the so-called 'middle-class' were the first to defend the IMF/World Parasite bail outs of international Wall Street/City of London banksters, but then they quickly turned to ugly rioting once the IMF/World Parasite austerity packages kicked into full gear.

So keep on thinking TARP was cute-n-funny but take it from me, you're going to regret it.
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4TJefferson
Promote the General Welfare
12:35 AM on 10/11/2010
I am not a TARP defender. I hated the Bush/Paulsen plan that had not oversight. However, there is only about $150 billion outstanding of the original $700 billion. The Savings and Loan Bailout of Bush Senior added up to $165 billion; the TARP Bailout is estimated to cost about $30 billion. I think everyone had a knee - jerk reaction to TARP. TARP did what is was supposed to do; keep thousands of banks from failure as was seen in the early 1930's.
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WestSeattle8
O futuro é agora.
01:27 AM on 10/11/2010
I guess we should have let the entire economy crumble, huh? It wasn't TARP that was the problem, it was the Bush tax cuts, 2 un-funded wars and the deregulation of the banking industry. Figure it out man. Although, this is the kind of post I would expect from a white male, the perpetrators of the problems to begin with.
09:24 AM on 10/11/2010
The entire economy is crumbling anyways.

Why can't TARP-defenders see that?

We could've put the banks through RECEIVERSHIP/BANKRUPTCY RE-ORGANIZATION!

Then you and all consumers would get no more credit-card bills, no more bills for personal loans, all the usurious bills you get now for overpaying consumer goods for their fraud would've been forgiven!

Yea, why wouldn't you have not wanted that?

Instead you will still have to pay these criminals outrageous interests rates, fees, etc., and you will still default.

The banks are STILL INSOLVENT, which TARP was supposed to fix.

The toxic debt will one-way-or-another be FLUSHED down the toilet.

Now TARP makes it sure that you will join them as nation.
09:15 PM on 10/10/2010
The Tea party is a slave of big business, oil. pharma, and health insurance companies. They do What are they going to do when they discover they are only a means to achieve the objectives of their masters. What will Tea Partiers do when the deficit has risen much higher as more and more special tax break are enacted for their manipulators. Tea Party members spew so much hate directed at everyone except those who really rip them off.
They do not realize how tax breaks for big business hurt the country. First it raises the deficit idecreasing the value of our money and decreasing our ability to consume. and second it reduces jobs in two ways, by increasing the desirability of automation purchases with accelerated depreciation it reduces the labor (read jobs) initially, and second by eliminating those jobs it eliminates effective consumer demand which further reduces jobs.
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realitytrumpsbull
two 'alves of coconut!
11:51 PM on 10/10/2010
The same has been said of both GOP, and DNC. Is it all just agit-prop?
12:30 AM on 10/11/2010
Too much true. But it does appear that as the wealth of the middle class is transferred tom the rich by dems and republicans alike, there does seem to be more good will and some benefits to the middle class when the dems do it. I would cite President Clinton's trades with the repubs as examples. I would also cite many of Obamas weak accomplishments also. I find nothing in President Bush's actions that betray any support for the middle class regarding economics. So we have to choose democrats or republicans in the mid terms, I say we get a little from the dems and nothing from republicans, so lets vote democrat. I have no idea what agit-propm eans.
If we want to change it , we first have to make people educated enough to understand when we are being played so they can protest and if necessary vote out the offending party.
08:00 PM on 10/10/2010
JamesA1102 wrote:

"One case that you don't have a direct link for, hardly the tons of lawsuits that you claim."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/01/us-steel-eeoc-lawsuit-abigail-desimone-firing_n_747633.html

And if you don't think corporate America is paranoid of lawsuits asserting discriminatory labor practices, whether in regards to compensation, or in regards to termination, then you're not paying attention. Have you ever even worked in the corporate world at all?

The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission enforces Federal laws prohibiting employment discrimination. These laws protect employees and job applicants against employment discrimination when it involves:

•Unfair treatment because of race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information.

It sounds good to you doesn't it? Punish businesses that are "unfair" based on race and gender, etc? But what's important to understand is that businesses are threatened by these regulations even when they are not being horrid discriminatory bigots. These regulations add to the risk of hiring employees, because in order to interract with employees, the employer has to protect themselves from lawsuits. If you had actually worked in the corporate world you would have heard of the many frivolous lawsuits brought asserting discrimination that businesses just settle to avoid a long costly court battle to prove they were being "fair".

This regulation has the perverse effect of hindering job growth for everyone. It may sound good, but its effect is to kill job growth.
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08:44 PM on 10/10/2010
Do you propose no regulation of corporations ?
09:06 PM on 10/10/2010
Government has an important role to punish those entities that transgress upon the liberty of other entities. So, corporations have no right to pollute a bystander's property, and government should punish that. Likewise corporations have no right to use threats or violence in their dealings and government should punish that. Government has a role to enforce contracts, including employment contracts.

But government doesn't have any business in deciding what is "fair". If two parties voluntarily agree to an economic transaction, then government has no legitimate authority to intrude on that agreement.
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Bumpkins
11:31 PM on 10/10/2010
Well darn, lets get rid of the minimun wage, OSHA, no overtime pay, work 12 hours aday, 20 minute lunch breaks, lock em in the factory, put 10 year olds to work for 50 cents a hour....8 hour day, you get sick...fired, that is how we can compete in the world market. The regulations are just quaint.....get rid of them.
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WestSeattle8
O futuro é agora.
01:32 AM on 10/11/2010
Remember what we got with the last conservative supreme court? They ruled labor unions, child labor laws and mininum wage laws unconstitutional.
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RootenTootenZooten
07:29 PM on 10/10/2010
I don't understand how anyone can believe a party that hates government can effectively govern...goes against common sense.
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Zoydzz
Government is NOT a Business
07:50 PM on 10/10/2010
"Doublethink" means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them... Orwell
09:39 PM on 10/10/2010
Bill Press says they have a "genetic flaw"; they don't believe in good government, but they want you to vote for them.
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treadway123
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05:52 PM on 10/10/2010
Hopefully come Nov 2 nd the voters will not allow their anger to rule them, but let their common sense take over! These kind of extreme out of the main stream people are Dangerouse to our Goverment! Grant ya the Harry Reids of this world isn't the best man for the job, but at least he is a sane man who really cares about Nevada & would never in a thousand yrs yank SS out from under the elderly, or be stupid enough to privatize it for Wall St. to crash/steal it all! Grant ya Sen Nelsen of Nebr. isn't the best, but he is qualified, educated, intelligent an he tries to Do No Harm------were the Ron Millers of this world who can't even regulate his own finance's want to run a whole state is even worse! Hopefully people will set aside their anger when they pull the lever.
06:29 PM on 10/10/2010
1. Before 1973, The inflation Adjusted Median Income rose at 2.5% per year:

1953 = $22,648
1973 = $34,762

2. From 1973 to 2009, Inflation Adjusted Median Income fell by $2,578.

1973 = $34,762
2009 = $32,184

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/data/historical/people/P05AR_2009.xls

3. The same thing shows up in Weekly Earnings.

All earners:

1979 = $339
2008 = $339

No Change over 30 years

Men:

1979 = $412
2010 = $389

DECREASE of $23/week

http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?le

4. While per capita GPD has doubled:

1969 = $21,021
2010 = $42,517

http://www.ers.usda.gov/data/macroeconomics/Data/Historical¬RealPerCap¬itaIncomeV¬alues.xls

5. This is accomplish by shifting the income distribution:

Share Of Aggregate Income by Quintile:

BOTTOM 20% - 1967: 4.0% 2009: 3.4% Change: -0.6%
LOWER MIDDLE - 1967: 10.8% 2009: 8.6% Change: -2.2%
MIDDLE CLASS - 1967: 17.3% 2009: 14.6% Change: -2.7%
UPPER MIDDLE - 1967: 24.2% 2009: 23.2% Change: -1.0%
UPPER CLASS - 1967: 43.6% 2009: 50.3% Change: +6.7%

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/data/historical/inequality/H02AR_2009.xls

Bottom line message: WORK MORE, PRODUCE MORE, BUT GET LESS
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realitytrumpsbull
two 'alves of coconut!
11:52 PM on 10/10/2010
And LIKE it, 'citizen'...;)
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Elvin Frantz
07:44 PM on 10/10/2010
treadway123 has it right. Let common sense take over.
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SirenForSanity
Hi De Hi Hi De Ho Times
10:00 PM on 10/10/2010
NO!! Let rational thinking take over. The phrase 'common sense' has been given such a negative connotation by the tea party, palin, bachman, et al, that it makes me cringe everytime I hear it.
04:30 PM on 10/10/2010
#1 Not all that many Americans are "angry".

#2 I can't get passes the racism
12:00 AM on 10/11/2010
I'm not an "Angry" American.
04:26 PM on 10/10/2010
"The anger that many Americans feel 'is producing candidates who are not electable...'"

I think Arianna is missing the point here. The point is not that these candidates are unelectable--they are--but that they are incapable of governing. They are not showing that they understand the complex problems we face and a lot of their solutions will further harm our now precarious position.
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05:42 PM on 10/10/2010
Failing to understand problems never prevented candidates from "governing".
The US "position" is unsustainable, as it represents the consumption of 25% of the world's resources by 5% of its population. The real question is what is the world getting in exchange for this slave-like exploitation? and how long will the world continue to imagine that the people of the US are born such better people, that they deserve 5 times the goods of average people?
05:57 PM on 10/10/2010
We've created the jobs and provided the know-how for other countries to thrive. Do you really think Singapore, Hong Kong and other countries would be so prosperous if it wasn't for US companies providing good paying jobs that allowed them to start their industries? That probably flies in the face of what you think you know about outsourcing, especially if you've never actually spent a significant amount of time working in those countries.
05:57 PM on 10/10/2010
I agree. They have no concept of governing they just want a paycheck and get in the game. One example of a candidate shooting his own foot is Joe Miller of Alaska. He wanted the domain name of Joe Miller.com but that was taken by a Texas photographer. So he tried to buy it, owner didn't want to sell so he put him off. Instead of going up on the offer each time he called Miller of Texas, Miller of Alaska went down with his offers. Guess he started thinking about his $100k credit card bills.
03:19 PM on 10/10/2010
Exceptionalism is the USA brag.
But the reality is anything but.
Best thing for US is too get off its hi horse.
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4TJefferson
Promote the General Welfare
12:42 AM on 10/11/2010
I havn't seen the Chinese volunteering to go after Bin Laden. The Russians? India? Africa? South America?
03:05 PM on 10/10/2010
Extremism is the natural way most emotional people react to pain or losses of ego,
The danger in getting extremists get their way when they are angry is that they usually burn the house down, When they get into office they barely deliver, cos by then the anger has dissipated and one finds they are in the first place very ordinary people.
08:19 PM on 10/10/2010
Or once they make it to the "in crowd" they find it hard to resist the promises of the corporate puppetmasters to make all of their "problems" go away...
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Dan1902
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02:34 PM on 10/10/2010
I understand independents and their frustsration,but I would remind them who caused this who is blocking every attempt to correct it,and who wants to tell you that you must do more with less while trying to sell the snake oil opposite in public!! Being Fickle is a setup for failure in everything you do in life not just in elections!! Flapping in the breeze doesn't provide solutions it prolongs the downward spiral that the republicans started and want to finish!!
05:03 PM on 10/10/2010
It's hard to tell who caused it. Both parties have taken positions which damaged our economy. In fact, the Dems controlled Congress a full year before the recession hit.
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05:57 PM on 10/10/2010
Hmm, less sure that "our" economy was damaged by policies. I would suggest that the adults know the US economy to be long past its best-if-used-by date. Unless the world is willing to hold another regional "World War" in which the US is essentially untouched (except for pearl harbour) followed by economic totalitarianism, in which major economies are so misguided by a series of certifiably disturbed leaders (Stalin, Khrushchev, Mao Zedong) that full corners of the globe fall into starvation. Unless the US is likely to re experience a wave of immigration of smart people escaping ignorant regimes (such as the Jewish emigrations of eastern Europe, Chinese,East Europeans), we are unlikely to see again the kind of perfect storms which elevates an isolated nation to superpower status.
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Jennifer Mead
Girls dig unix
08:04 PM on 10/10/2010
The Dems inherited the problem. Come on people that is not rocket science.
02:29 PM on 10/10/2010
I bought a magazine dated 1996 at our library sale. One article covered a very brilliant lady seated in a room with two beautiful daughters. She commented about what she saw happening to many politicians after they get in office---that being, she could almost smell the fear in them.

That lady was spot on and that lady was Arianna. She really capsulized the problem that has only gotten worse.

These politicians get in office and they are afraid to offend the big wigs (individuals or companies) whose money got the politicians elected.

It's no wonder our country is in the shape it is in. No one seems to be dealing with this very truth.
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realitytrumpsbull
two 'alves of coconut!
11:57 PM on 10/10/2010
Well the United States isn't a wholly-owned subsidiary...yet. But, there's people diligently working that problem...in one sense, we kind of forgot who we were, I think, and now people are realizing that companies DO start towns. And, when they leave, sometimes, towns just collapse. And, with companies leaving the US, for foreign shores, and taking their money WITH them, well...then you get a larger-scale version of that.
12:35 AM on 10/11/2010
I believe it! I questioned whether Pres. Obama and Michelle Obama really like the music of Jay Z and Beyonce because they both acknowledge that they like the music of the two. When the Pres. was asked what rapper he liked he said Jay Z and Mrs. Obama said she listens to Beyonce in one of her interviews. Jay Z helped the President out alot during the campaign. I recall him doing a free concert for Pres. Obama in my hometown and I also noticed that the Pres. allowed the two of them along with their families to take a picture inside the situation room (I believe that was the room)....allowing Jay Z to sit in the President's chair. I've always wondered was it the help and money that Jay Z and Beyonce gave that would explain why the Obama's continue to acknowledge them. Notice that the President acknowledged beyonce in his campaign speeches last week too! I still respect him and love that he's our President though even though I had my doubts