Roy Sekoff on Dan Abrams Discussing Hillary's Electoral Arguments and McCain's Hagee Problem

On Hillary Clinton's latest electoral arguments:

On McCain supporter John Hagee's recently revealed remarks on the Holocaust and Israel:

Comments

[JavaCityGal]

Roy Sekoff is great, I'm always happy to see when he's one of the political pundits. He's quick, sharp and takes no bs -- go Roy!

[Gmoney1]

When this church and state thing is figured out by the government , we can get on with the true democracy that this nation was built on - Although I think it will probably get worse before it gets better - we are spending a lot of time on these people - it's time to deal with the pocketbook issues and the war - let these religious people say the heck what they want and keep them out of the democracy - none of these religions agree on anything -

[lboucher]

On a conference call this morning, Clinton senior adviser Harold Ickes argued not only that Michigan"s and Florida"s delegations should receive full votes at the convention, but that the Michigan's 55 uncommitted delegates should be seated as such, not given to the Obama camp.

"The views of the voters in the Michigan primary and in the Florida primary [should] be respected and be reflected in terms of the allocation of delegates," Ickes said. (For the numbers, if Clinton were awarded the delegates based on the results of the primary, she would get 73 delegates. Neither of the challenges to be taken up by the Rules and Bylaws Committee on May 31 call for splits adhere strictly to the results of the primaries.)

HRC will be treated fairly or run as third party candidate.

[wheresthebeef]

Let her. She's already proven that she's not a Democrat.

[quest44]

So what your saying is Hillary considers it fair to renege on her signed statement not to count Florida and Michigan and she also thinks its fair to Obama that she get all those votes when she was the only candidate on the ballot in Michigan and her opponent never campaigned in Florida where she already has voter recognition from her time as first lady and as a Senator. Is that right ?
Well in my value system that would amount to cheating in order to win ! I would never trust anyone who could stoop that low to win an election to become President of the United States ! My god we already have Bush with all his lies and cheating .Do we really need someone else who doesn't know how to play fair ?

[applehead]

HuffPost's Pick

haggie is saying his statement was mischaracterized --- and i believe him. the thing is, reverend wright's statements also were mischaracterized, i believe. for instance, the quote they use the most,

"gawd damn america"

isn't very unsimilar to the absolutely profound and always and utterly appropriate statement

by thomas jefferson,

a greater patriot than every republican president and republican presidential candidate since 1968 combined:

"when i consider that God is a just God, I tremble for my nation."

applehead

[mikeydreslim]

Wonderful Post. I see all my fellow dems going crazy over Hagee's statements, anyone that has been to a church understand that statement like these are normal. However, I do not feel sorry for Hagee or Mccain, they tried to murder Obama with Rev Wright, so its all equal.

[hopeless277]

Here is the 4 state pledge that Clinton signed. Notice the word PARTICIPATE.
WordNet - Cite This Source - Share This participate

verb
1. share in something
2. become a participant; be involved in; "enter a race"; "enter an agreement"; "enter a drug treatment program"; "enter negotiations" [syn: enter] [ant: chuck up the sponge]

WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University.


THEREFORE, I _______________, Democratic Candidate for President, in honor and in accordance with DNC rules, pledge to actively campaign in the pre-approved early states Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina. I pledge I shall not campaign or participate in any election contest occurring in any state not already authorized by the DNC to take place in the DNC approved pre-window (any date prior to February 5, 2008). Campaigning shall include but is not limited to purchasing media or campaign advocacy of any kind, attending or hosting events of more than 200 people to promote one"s candidacy for a preference primary and employing staff in the state in question. It does not include activities specifically related to raising campaign resources such as fundraising events or the hiring of fundraising staff.

[quest44]

Thank you for showing these supporters just what it was that Hillary and Obama gave their signature and approval to. Maybe if they see it in writting they too might start to understand that for Hillary to want to change these rules to suit her would amount to cheating and going back on her written agreement !

[stryker]

I want to see any hillary supporters say that they would beleive that she would act the same way toward Mich and Fla if the shoe were on the other foot. Don't believe for a minute that she'd be sqawking to get those votes counted if she were ahead and Obama "won" Fla and Mich. You can bet your life she'd be saying he should have stuck to the agreement and not have been on the ballot. Good politician, great phony.

[clearthinker2008]

I always wonder this. How can Senator Clinton beat McCain when she can't even beat Senator Obama? It defies logic but her surrogates and supporters will look you in the eyes and tell you she can. I can almost sense the mind control ray gun being aimed at the middle of their foreheads.

[BillForObama]

Absolutely!!!

If Senator cannot win the nomination for president, how can she be ready on DAY 1, DAY 2 or ANY OTHER DAY!

[JavaCityGal]

"How can Senator Clinton beat McCain when she can't even beat Senator Obama?"

This too, has been my question all along.

[myskylark]

Are you serious? The Democratic primaries and especially the caucuses have no relationship to the Electoral College rules and number of votes per state.

Because the rules are so asinine, and the caucuses award more delegates per vote than the primaries do, and the caucuses never reveal the raw vote, and the caucuses don't allow a secret ballot, etc. etc. the measure of the primary campaign doesn't really relate to the election in November.

George McGoven won the nomination and then went down to a landslide defeat in the election.

Please don't be simplistic. The numbers for Obama and Clinton are actually a virtual tie.

The devil is in the details. Obama won many states that Democrats cannot take in November.

Clinton won in states that Democrats must win if they hope to win the election.

Please get real. The Democratic Party is taking a huge gamble on Obama in an election that may be the most important election in 50 years.

But,there's any way out of this mess now. The party's fear of alienating African-American voters is greater than the fear of alienating Clinton supporters. He will get the nomination. Whether he can win in November is yet to be seen.

[donkat]

Whether either candidate can win is questionable. Clinton's negatives are astronomically high - no one trusts her and she has alienated Obama supporters. I, for one, would find it almost impossible to vote for her. She'll also bring the Reoubs out in droves to vote against her. i wouldn't vote for McCain but I don't think I could vote for her either after her behavior.

I live in Colorado and the caucus attendance was at an all time high - huge majority for Obama. It really looks like he could take the state.

People either love her or hate Clinton - no one is gong to change their opinion of her. Obama is a different story - he is able to inspire and gain support. Her support is pretty static. Actually, I would expect her to start losing support as she hangs on.

[Kynn]

Clinton won in states that Dems will take no matter what.

[dclar]

It's amazing after watching videos like this how Hillary supporters can claim that their Obama counterparts drink the Kool-aid. All of the Hillary supporters have the talking points down to a science.

And I don't understand the argument that since Obama is a flawed candidate, the Dems should instead pick the other candidate...you know, the one who is losing to the aforementioned flawed candidate. Actually, I do understand the argument, its just a bullshit line from Hillary.

[patmancando]

Roy Sekoff is one of the reasons I gave up watching Dan Abrams. I have never seen such a smirking
as his when he says anything, usual vicious, about Hillary Clinton. He is really biased to the point of absurdity.

[JavaCityGal]

Everyone's got a perspective. I feel the same way about Lanny Davis, who I'm guessing that you probably like.

[kdogg]

well whether you like his smirk or not, he is right about the popular vote issue. hillary is flat out lying every time that she says that she leads in the popular vote. not only is she lying about that, she is lieing and making a big deal about something that doesn't even matter, ie the popular vote. nobody cares if she stays in til the end of the primaries but she needs to stop lying.

[seenitall]

and poor Lisa Caputo...she seems like a very nice person, but she had to defend Clinton's Zimbabwe comment...it was painful.

[xmw]

yes, I was surprised to see Lisa Caputo back in from of a camera after Chris Matthews got all up in her you know the night after the Ky Primary when she was singing that stale song about Obama can't get the white vote. Chris just basically told her those people were racist.

[oldpotsmuggler]

It's a safe bet that all three remaining candidates largely represent "more of the same". When all is said and done, they're all politicians. The Dems do offer distinct advantages over McCain, but not so much between the two of them.

[BLinCincinnati]

Roy,

Thank you for finally taking a Hillary supporter to task over the hypocrisy in their popular vote argument for FL/MI. That being they have to disenfranchise the popular vote of FOUR other states to make their case.

[JavaCityGal]

Yep -- this was the first time that I heard someone on television say that. I really don't understand why it's not fair to disenfranchise MI or FL, but it IS fair to disenfranchise my state of Washington, along with Nevada and other caucus states.

It's interesting because Washington also had a (non-binding) primary that she could use in her popular vote count, but she won't because Obama won that too.