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'Ground Zero Mosque' Debate: HuffPost Bloggers Weigh In

Posted: 08/03/10 06:07 PM ET

New York City's Landmark Preservation Commission has voted to allow Park51, an Islamic community center often described as the "Ground Zero mosque," to go forward. Conservative presidential wannabes Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich issued fiery statements in the last two weeks against the project. The Anti-Defamation League has also come out against building the Islamic center.

Should plans for the community center proceed? Is building an Islamic community center two blocks from the former site of the twin towers insensitive? Is America "experiencing an Islamist cultural-political offensive designed to undermine and destroy our civilization," as Gingrich claims? Or is the right exploiting the issue to demonize Muslims ahead of the midterms? Scroll down to read what HuffPost bloggers have to say, and weigh in below in the comments.

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michael-bloombergMichael R. Bloomberg: Defending Religious Tolerance: Remarks on the Mosque Near Ground Zero

The World Trade Center Site will forever hold a special place in our City, in our hearts. But we would be untrue to the best part of ourselves -- and who we are as New Yorkers and Americans -- if we said 'no' to a mosque in Lower Manhattan. Let us not forget that Muslims were among those murdered on 9/11 and that our Muslim neighbors grieved with us as New Yorkers and as Americans. We would betray our values -- and play into our enemies' hands -- if we were to treat Muslims differently than anyone else. In fact, to cave to popular sentiment would be to hand a victory to the terrorists -- and we should not stand for that.


rabbi-shmuley-boteachRabbi Shmuley Boteach: Is a Giant Mosque at Ground Zero Justified?

I have a simple, elegant, and deeply moral solution. Let the Islamic Cultural Center be built. Let the mosque be included. But, the Muslim organizations building it should commit right now to making the principal focus of the building a museum depicting the rise of Islamic extremism, its hate-based agenda, and how it is an abomination to Islam.


bradley-burston Bradley Burston: Rethinking Israel Boycotts, Thanks to the New York Mosque

It is high time to strike bigotry of all forms -- by both sides -- from the debate over the Mideast conflict. It is time, as well, for the Jewish community as a whole to relate differently to those in their midst who have a serious difference of opinion with Israel. In this regard, it is time for the Jewish community to engage those who support the Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions movement, rather than effectively excommunicating them.


kelly-caldwellKelly Caldwell: Say Yes to a Mosque at Ground Zero

It is not a "provocation" or "security question" for Islamic New Yorkers to build a community center a few blocks from Ground Zero. As Islamic New Yorkers shared in the struggles inflicted on our city by those attacks, so too must they share in our recovery. To that end, building the Islamic community center in lower Manhattan is a vital step in the right direction.


daniel-collinsDan Collins: GOP's Ground Zero Hypocrisy

The Republicans have been thinking of New Yorkers. They are campaigning against the plan to build an Islamic Center in lower Manhattan near Ground Zero. Yup, the same folks who refuse to spend money on the heroes who sacrificed their lives and their health at the World Trade Center are worried sick that a nearby mosque will sully the sacred soil.


kenneth-c-davisKenneth C. Davis: Memorials, "Mosques" and Burning Convents

This whole argument might be construed as a momentary blip in a slow summer news cycle. But the fear and loathing of faiths that supposedly threaten America's existence is nothing new. The grade school notion of America as a "Melting Pot" nation in which all are welcomed to worship is a myth. Since Spanish Catholics slaughtered French Protestants in Florida in 1565, ingrained religious animosity has been an unhappy and uncelebrated American tradition. For centuries, Catholics, Jews, Mormons and other "foreign" religions have encountered disdain, discrimination and worse.


alan-dershowitzAlan Dershowitz: Anti-Defamation League Should Not Oppose Mosques at Ground Zero

The vast majority of those who oppose the mosque at Ground Zero are neither bigoted nor irrational. Some are. So are some who favor it. That is not the issue. The issue is whether a great human rights organization should oppose the building of a Muslim center near Ground Zero. I have heard no rational reason from the ADL why it should stand in opposition to this project.


stephen-elliottStephen Elliott: Memo to the Anti-Defamation League: These Jews Don't Share Your Position

[B]eing less tolerant will not help us heal, and it is not wise for America to alienate millions of its own citizens, let alone the hundreds of millions of Muslims in countries that Americans visit around the world. Remember, there were Muslim victims on 9/11, too, Muslims that worked in the World Trade Center, or were part of the rescue crews that bravely entered the buildings that day.


abraham-h-foxmanAbraham H. Foxman: The Mosque at Ground Zero

At its essence, our position is about sensitivity. Everyone -- victims, opponents and proponents alike -- must pay attention to the sensitivities involved without giving in to appeals to, or accusations of, bigotry. Ultimately, this was not a question of rights, but a question of what is right. In our judgment, building an Islamic Center in the shadow of the World Trade Center would unnecessarily cause some victims more pain. And that wasn't right.


dilara-hafizDilara Hafiz: Yes, I Know That Churches Cannot Be Built in Saudi Arabia

I fear the rising prejudice against Muslims in America is an ugly symptom of intolerance and xenophobia that is being spread by those who seek to 'otherize' the latest immigrant group. And Muslims are perceived as the threat of the decade. I reassure my children that this too shall pass, but when will it be safe for them to reclaim their religious and national identity in the same breath?


david-harrisDavid Harris: Build the Cordoba Center?

Presently, there are two legitimate concerns about the proposed center. First, with a $100 million price tag, what are the exact sources of funding? The public has a right to know that the donors all subscribe to an open, inclusive and pluralistic vision of the center. Second, do the center's leaders reject unconditionally terrorism inspired by Islamist ideology? They must say so unequivocally. This is critical for the institution's credibility.


rabbi-brad-hirschfieldBrad Hirschfield: Why Newt Gingrich Is Wrong on Ground Zero Mosque

Personally, I think that ultimately it's a reasonable, if not wise, project, although I think the timing and the process stink. This should not be about the assertion of religious right but about the building of consensus. While those who favor construction clearly have rights on their side, they seem to be completely tone-deaf regarding the feelings of those who are opposed.


james-lamondJames Lamond: Hurting Our Security

[T]he frame that Gingrich is promoting is not only un-American and counter to our values, it is also counterproductive to our anti-terrorism efforts. First, at a strategic level, it plays into al Qaeda's framework that the West is at war with Islam.


rabbi-michael-lernerRabbi Michael Lerner: Shame on ADL for Opposing Mosque Two Blocks From Ground Zero

Shame on ADL and the American Jewish Committee for not understanding the moral imperatives of this moment! They not only betray Jewish values and American values, they unintentionally but nevertheless certainly increase the tensions between Jews and Muslims at a moment when all sane people in both communities recognize the need to build bridges of understanding.


salam-al-marayatiSalam Al Marayati: Anti-Muslim Is Anti-American

Here's the paradox I and many other Muslim Americans are living. We have to demonstrate our efforts against extremism by amplifying our mainstream majority voice, yet when we build institutions to help expand our capacity, we become targets of virulent and bigoted xenophobes who characterize any and all Muslims as extremists and radicals.


thane-rosenbaumThane Rosenbaum: Ground Zero Mosque and the Freedom From Pain

The issue seems to be whether America should uphold its values and put its tolerance through the ultimate test, or whether the sensitivities of the survivors and families of 9/11 should supersede the First Amendment freedoms owed to all Americans, which would include, of course, Muslim Americans.


mj-rosenbergMJ Rosenberg: American Jewish Committee Opposes Mosque Too

The AJC issues demands that the Cordoba Center, which has never endorsed violence, repudiate terrorism (which it always has). Worst of all, the media is allowing the AJC to appear as if it supports the center when it in fact opposes it for the same reasons ADL does. We all know what those are.


russell-simmonsRussell Simmons: Ground Zero Mosque: Are We Digging a Hole in the Soul of America?

It is not insensitive to put a cultural center of any sort, that has a place of worship, anywhere in our city. This is what makes our country and our city great. As a nation that was founded by men and women who were being persecuted for their particular faith, we should know that the best path to finding freedom is finding freedom for others. We were formed as a pluralistic society and this means we welcome all religions.


matt-sledgeMatt Sledge: Just How Far Is the "Ground Zero Mosque" From Ground Zero?

[B]y the same logical leap you can call the Cordoba Center a "mosque," you can also call Ground Zero as it already exists a giant, open-air mosque. Muslim prayers are already taking place right on the edge of the construction site, and not for world domination. Families are going there to pray -- for the souls of the dozens of innocent Muslim victims who died on September 11.


burns-striderBurns Strider: Newt Gingrich Rejects Religious Freedom and the Golden Rule

As an Evangelical, I hold the Golden Rule high as a core tenet of my faith. Yet Gingrich trashes that, too. In saying that we should not allow a mosque to be built because other nations don't allow churches or synagogues built on their soil, Gingrich is really saying that we should treat others as they treat us. Don't lead; for God's sake, follow. Don't seek the moral and ethical high ground; seek a get-even-often-and-quick strategy that only Machiavelli could love.


michael-winshipMichael Winship: The Right Manipulates Muslims -- and Boy Scouts

Once again, downtown New Yorkers are faced with outsiders telling us our business. [...] Meanwhile, as the citizenry has its attention diverted by xenophobic anti-Muslim harangues, on Thursday night, Republicans in Congress killed the Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act to help emergency workers and others near Ground Zero.


walid-zafarWalid Zafar: Newt Gingrich Joins Muslim-Baiting Movement

Gingrich, who has been railing against the so-called secular socialist machine for trying to take religion out of the public square, and who, like most conservatives, decries the influence of foreign law, wants the U.S. to apply the same standards on Muslims that Saudi Arabia applies to those who are not Muslim. That's rich.
 
 
 
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04:34 PM on 09/15/2010
Thanks But No Thanks, Imam Rauf.

Feisal Abdul Rauf, Imam of Cordoba House, the Mosque embattled over its proposed new site many see as too close to 9/11 ground zero for comfort, repeatedly claims to any media host who will listen, that he longs and prays for the peace, tranquility and equality that Jews, Christians and Muslims alike shared during the “Golden Age of Islam” (circa 600 - 1200 C.E.) in the city that inspired the name of his congregation, Cordoba Spain. I’ll pass on the offer.

“Al-Andalus”, as Cordoba was named by the Moors in that so called glorious era, represented the land of jihad par excellence. Society was sharply divided along ethnic and religious lines, with the Arab tribes at the top of the hierarchy, At the very bottom, were the dhimmi (monotheistic infidels) Christians and Jews. Both were beleaguered with double taxation, yet the Sephardim (Spanish Jews) endured and persevered, prevaiing in law, jurisprudence, medicine, mathematics, astronomy, science, philosophy, education, linguistics (translating Arabic texts into Spanish and Hebrew and vice-versa). Then, in 1055, the insurgent Muslim fundamentalist Almoravides gained contol and not long after, in 1147, their enemies, the Almohades ruled. Both groups degraded the Jews, limiting them to work as moneylenders, jewelers, cobblers, tailors, tanners and other menial trades. Then came the inevitable, the mandated wearing of distinguishing clothing, including a yellow turban. Sound familiar? Imam Rauf can have Cordoba. I'll take New York.
01:29 AM on 08/25/2010
I wrote a song about this topic. Enjoy. ;)
Here is the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T3HILoiHKg

Here are the lyrics:
Chorus

Build it next to 9/11, build next to 9/11, next to 9/11,

build next to 9/11, next to 9/11, build next to 9/11

I'm talking bout freedom, I'm talking bout Freedom -

Verse1

There was a team of cats that made a plane crash/

So yall wanna lump them all in the same batch/

Yall wanna act like every single one, without knowing one/

Is just another smoking gun,gun, gun, "blowww"/

Everybody mama but Obama wanna throw them out/

Constitution and bill or rights is what its All about/

I swear we learned a thing or two, don't let us fade back/

The American flag waves, so lets wave back/

Verse 2

Whenever its hardest times that were faced with/

you see the real side of a man or a nation/

We pride ourselves on freedom yall try to erase it/

You stick your feet so far in your mouth I can taste it/

So go ahead and sing land of the free/

Any more hypocrisy What kinda of land would it be/

If this is truly the land of opportunity/ religious Immunity/

It's a man that pulls the trigger, not the community/
01:06 AM on 08/23/2010
Here is the challenge, above the dilemma: "to build or not to build".
If the discussion on mosque building near ground zero is about freedom of religion, and also about healing and comprehension between faiths lets build it !.
But then the 2700 names of dead people, killed in the name of Islam,ought to be inscribed on the stones of that mosque ; each year in the anniversary of 9/11 those names ought to be recited publicly, prayers for theirs souls ought to be offered by the imams. Later on, for the reciprocity of the comprehension between faiths, Buddha statues , churches and. synagogues should receive the right to be built in certain forbidden countries of Islam.
Each individual ought to have the right to worship his/her one God but have the obligation to live in peace and respect with all others people's faiths
Pardon me to end by comparing religion lovers to coffee lovers ( the image is very soft) but the latter know that each blend is worth a sip. JS Ioji Man

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charles10
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02:04 PM on 08/14/2010
Americans practice tolerance, acceptance and sensitivity toward everyone but themselves.

I'll say it again:
Many Muslims and their advocates say in here that Islam, the religion, cannot be held accountable for 9/11 --- If they are right, why build a mosque near ground zero at all?

If it's not about religion, then why build a religious structure?
02:45 AM on 08/11/2010
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11:46 PM on 08/07/2010
"Mischief in Manhattan" By Tarek Fatah, Ottowa Citizen
"[...] THE FACT WE MUSLIMS KNOW THE IDEA BEHIND THE GROUND ZERO MOSQUE IS MEANT TO BE A DELIBERATE PROVOCATION TO THUMB OUR NOSES AT THE INFIDEL. . . .There are many questions that we would like to ask. Questions about where the funding is coming from? If this mosque is being funded by Saudi sources, then it is an even bigger slap in the face of Americans . . Let's not forget that a mosque is an exclusive place of worship for Muslims and not an inviting community centre. Most Americans are wary of mosques due to the hard core rhetoric that is used in pulpits. And rightly so. As Muslims we are dismayed that our co-religionists have such little consideration for their fellow citizens and wish to rub salt in their wounds and pretend they are applying a balm to sooth the pain..As for those teary-eyed, bleeding-heart liberals such as New York mayor Michael Bloomberg and much of the media, who are blind to the Islamist agenda in North America, we understand their goodwill. Unfortunately, their stand is based on ignorance and guilt, and they will never . . have to face the tyranny of Islamism that targets, kills and maims worldwide, and is using liberalism itself to destroy liberal secular democratic societies from within." http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Mischief+Manhattan/3370303/story.html
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LucidPanther
03:04 PM on 08/07/2010
The bigots claim they are sensitive to the 3000 killed. Do they presume to speak for all the family members? Are we to believe that all surviving family members are offended by an Islamic Community Center 2 blocks away?

I suspect there are plenty of family members who support the Center. And the ones who are opposed are the ones who ignorantly blame all of Islam for the attack.
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03:00 PM on 08/06/2010
The Arabic word, "Takeyya", means "to prevent," or guard against. The principle of Al Takeyya conveys the understanding that Muslims are permitted to lie as a preventive measure against anticipated harm to one's self or fellow Muslims. This principle gives Muslims the liberty to lie under circumstances that they perceive as life threatening. They can even deny the faith, if they do not mean it in their hearts.

Al-Takeyya is based on the following Quranic verse: "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution (prevention), that ye may Guard yourselves from them (prevent them from harming you.) But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah." Surah 3: 28.

According to this verse a Muslim can pretend to befriend infidels (in violation of the teachings of Islam) and display adherence with their unbelief to prevent them from harming him.

Unfortunately, when dealing with Muslims, one must keep in mind that Muslims can communicate something with apparent sincerity, when in reality they may have just the opposite agenda in their hearts. Bluntly stated, Islam permits Muslims to lie anytime that they perceive that their own well-being, or that of Islam, is threatened.

http://www.islamreview.com/articles/lyingprint.htm
07:31 PM on 08/17/2010
&christians don't even need biblical excuses to lie!!
10:32 PM on 08/04/2010
There are several sites here discussing this subject and the one thing that stands out to me is that we here view our selves different than many others view us, as for me I view some of the comments from our side are just as radical as the Taliban fundamentalists and just as narrow visioned as our fundamentalist, yes they duke it out with AK47 but that is their culture where here we duke it out from the pulpit, but from both our mouths come the same garbage. but we think we are above reproach oh they do to, we all can be nuts can't we the old Viking
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Wong23
Card-carrying Progressive
06:56 PM on 08/04/2010
The truth is that accusing the Muslims of insensitivity because they insist on building a center near ground zero would be the moral equivalent of accusing Rosa Parks of being insensitive to the plight of white supremacist sitting on the bus, if she did not move to the rear.

Anyone, including family members of victims of 9/11,who felt offended by Muslims peacefully practicing their faith a few blocks form ground zero, would be suffering from religious intolerance.

In America, Constitutional rights trump intolerant sensitivities.
09:33 PM on 08/04/2010
Nobody is saying they don't have a constitutional right to build a Mosque. Citizens who are still dealing with the worst attack on our soil are wondering WHY would they build a Mosque so close to such a significant and tragic location? My question is why doesn't the Muslim group who wants this Mosque just find a different location? I think they are being the insensitive party here. I think that it is suspicious that the moment the "moderate" Muslims make themselves known, it is to build a Mosque and NOT speak out LOUDLY and AGGRESSIVELY against the animals that intentionally inflict violence on innocent people in the name of Islam.
10:13 PM on 08/04/2010
"My question is why doesn't the Muslim group who wants this Mosque just find a different location?"

Because they don't own a different location in Lower Manhattan.

"I think that it is suspicious that the moment the "moderate" Muslims make themselves known, it is to build a Mosque and NOT speak out LOUDLY and AGGRESSIVELY against the animals that intentionally inflict violence on innocent people in the name of Islam."

They always speak against terrorism.The media just doesn't find that interesting to report.
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04:25 PM on 08/04/2010
Look, we shouldn't exclude them but don't you think it's pretty insensitive for them to insist on being there knowing the wounds it reopens? If deranged members of my faith had committed an act of mass murder I wouldn't open up a faith center so close to the site unless it was some kind of healing outreach center.
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05:53 PM on 08/04/2010
No, I think it's insensitive to insist that Muslim-Americans are judged by the actions of .00000000000000001% of Muslims. It's time for everyone to get past this. Blame the perpetrators not the entire religion. Even the victims of 9-11 have to be fair. Think of all the extremist Christians but we wouldn't want to lump them all together or worse, prevent them from building a church.
10:14 PM on 08/04/2010
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12:00 PM on 08/04/2010
I do not think there is any difference between a church and a mosque except when viewed from your perspective, as all religions have committed atrocities in their respective names and have done much good it is just whose ox is getting gored come on folks get off your throne as being beyond reproach in your individual behaviors. the old viking
06:05 PM on 08/04/2010
there is a difference between a church and a mosque. As a non-believer, you would be welcomed to enter a church. As a non-muslim, you cannot enter a mosque since you are considered unclean (kaffir). I say this as one who has lived for some time in muslim lands. I knew my place when there and knew I where I wasnt' welcomed. I'm no Bible thumper but I know I can walk into any church on a Sunday morning and be welcomed as a guest. The Christian church has slowly evolved and reformed over time. Islam in not quite there. Doubt me? Try living in an Islamic land ...
07:22 PM on 08/04/2010
This couldn't be further from the truth.
I work in the local Islamic center in my area, and we welcome absolutely anyone who wishes to visit our mosque. We have open houses and interfaith meetings and community outreach.

This is America, and we uphold our mosques to different standards than whatever bigoted country you speak of.
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cybersense
11:08 AM on 08/04/2010
you know, it's hard. I don't listen to the likes of Palin, or Newt. But, it does make you think about why it's so close to that site. I do know that those who practise muslim can be peaceful and loving, but just like our own wackos, I have experienced some painful witness to the opposite. So, I have no solution to this, but only a real understanding of my own conflict of this. I am not fearful, but what happened on 9/11 and what has been going on is just too fresh. We have so many extremists everywhere and I guess my feelings is that I just cautious all around. If I see it in America so much, (extremely off Americans) how can we set a standard for any other country or religious practice. That, I think bothers me the most. It is just too obvious, we haven't grown up as a whole - even here.
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dawacu
Jesus loves you
11:15 AM on 08/04/2010
How would you feel about a Christian Church near the site of the Oklahoma City Building? I personally wouldn't mind and I don't mind a community center that includes a mosque near ground zero either.
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cybersense
11:23 AM on 08/04/2010
my comments are not really that I would mind, but stating the conflict of how I feel about how safe it would be for them, really. We, in America, have always strived to be a nation of freedom, and yet we just are not yet, are we? Sorry, I know it isn't a direct comment - I was really trying to state more about how I feel about how so many have not grown up here about those views, and how nervous that makes me at times. Doesn't it make you a bit shocked that so many here in American that claim to be a part of this nation and what it should stand for so be so extremely ignorant? I have conflicts about this for other reasons.
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01:46 PM on 08/04/2010
"Science is my religion."- Timothy McVeigh
10:16 PM on 08/04/2010
What other land in Lower Manhattan is there that they own? They only have one option.
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cybersense
10:58 PM on 08/04/2010
don't know. I understand that there has been this same organization in the same area before 9/11.
This has already been decided. I only wish those who are feel so extreme in a negative way would try and understand that this is not a new area, only the Mosque is new.
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dawacu
Jesus loves you
11:02 AM on 08/04/2010
They should be able to put a mosque wherever they can afford to. I'm surprised that this is even a discussion in a country that supposedly allows the free exercise of religious beliefs.
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charles10
Edumakater
11:36 AM on 08/04/2010
well, one more time it isn't about freedom of religion. it is about what the Spanish call 'delicadeza', a sensitivity to a recent tragedy and general sentiments of the populace. in fact, why a mosque? why choose an Islamic cultural center, like NY is in need of any more?
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dawacu
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12:41 PM on 08/04/2010
Does 'delicadeza' mandate that we judge billions of people by the actions of ten? The general sentiments of the populace should recognize that the Muslims trying to build a community center don't belong to Al-Qaida and never were trying to kill Americans. The argument that we shouldn't allow Muslims to build a community center at ground zero out of the respect for the feelings of the victims of 9/11 is like saying that Christians shouldn't attend soldiers funerals because of offensive acts committed by the Westboro Baptist Church. Al-Qaida represents a tiny group within Islam. I know I wouldn't want to be judged by what some tiny groups of Christians do and I would be extremely upset if it impacted my ability to build a Christian Church wherever I wanted to.
04:02 PM on 08/04/2010
Uh as I understand it, the Neighborhood where the twin towers once stood used to be home to a very large Muslim Population of Syrian Immigrants. Nine Eleven was almost a decade ago, get over it. NY is the most diverse city in the USA. What happened to the hunt for Bin Laden?