Indiana, North Carolina Primary Results: HuffPost Bloggers Weigh In

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Lawrence O'Donnell: Hillary Will Drop Out by June 15:

A senior campaign official and Clinton confidante has told me that there will be a Democratic nominee by June 15. He could not bring himself to say the words "Hillary will drop out by June 15," but that is clearly what he meant. I kept saying, "So, Hillary will drop out by June 15," and he kept saying, "We will have a nominee by June 15." He stressed what a reasonable person Hillary is.


Jason Linkins: Obama Gives Media A Critical Valentine During Victory Speech:

It's been my impression that Obama - perhaps to a fault - seems to outright loathe having to do what the media expects of him. It's why he constantly insists that he's never going to change his style of campaigning (even as he does just that). There's been some obvious movement away from that position - Obama's newfound willingness to engage the Fox News Channel is a fitting example. But with the media stating explicit demands, and practically begging Obama to just let them give him a news-cycle win, Obama finally sucked it up and gave in last night, during his speech in North Carolina.


Robert Creamer: Game, Set, Match: North Carolina and Indiana Settled the Democratic Nomination:

Obama's performance last night destroyed the rationale for Hillary's continued candidacy. Everything rested on her argument of superior electability. After his loss in Pennsylvania, Barack faced gale force political winds. The media had turned. Hillary was on the attack. Reverend Wright threw himself into the center of the debate. But in spite of it all, Obama won an overwhelming victory in the tenth largest state.


Hillary's surprise underperformance in Indiana can partially be traced to the massive turnout of the Obama base of young people and African Americans. But it is also resulted from his success with swing voters. Every age group but people over 60 went for Obama. Independents went for Obama 54% to 46%. And in both North Carolina and Indiana a substantial majority thought Obama was more likely to beat John McCain (55% to 39% in North Carolina; 51% to 46% in Indiana).

Dylan Loewe: Obama's Coming. Clear the Way.:

Indiana voters trusted Hillary on the economy, but by a far narrower margin than previous primaries. In North Carolina, Obama won that category handily, suggesting that the fight over Clinton's gas-tax gimmick ultimately favored Obama - and honesty. At almost every turn, voters rejected the politics of Hillary Clinton. By a twenty point gap, voters believed Hillary unfairly attacked Obama in Indiana, a reality that has no doubt contributed to the widening divide within the party.


What is unclear still is whether, given Hillary's crushing defeat Tuesday night, she can possibly move the race forward. Whatever path to the nomination she once envisioned has entirely evaporated, a reality not lost on the remaining superdelegates. How soon will they wait to throw their support behind the first black nominee in our history?


Ian Welsh: Obama's Clinton Dilemma:

There's been a great deal of bitterness and anger on both sides of the fight. And, to be crass and point out the unpalatable truth, there isn't a lot in it for Hillary to back Obama in a more than pro-forma "going through the motions" fashion. If he loses, she's the presumptive nominee in 4 years, after all. If he wins, she probably has to wait 8 years, and she's not getting any younger. If she really wants to be president, well, Obama's still in the way. Now I'm not saying she won't help Obama even if such thoughts are going through her mind, no doubt she understands what another 4 years of a Republican presidency would mean. Still, there's help, and there's going all out. And there's a lot of space between the two.


So if I'm Obama; if I'm one of Obama's advisors, no matter how much I may share the view of some associated with the campaign about Hillary, I'd be thinking real hard right now about what it's going to take to bring her and Bill on board in a big way, so that they do everything possible to really deliver the votes of their supporters.


RJ Eskow: Why Couldn't Hillary Close the Deal?:

Before today's primaries she had already lost the nomination process according to any objective measure not invented by her own campaign. She was trailing in pledged delegates, and was even lagging behind in that questionable and tainted metric they call the "popular vote" count. After tonight, she'll still be lagging. There was no "game-changer" tonight. It's still over. She's still through.


The "deal" she had to close wasn't the nomination itself, but something less lofty. She merely needed to "un-conclude" the race, by convincing superdelegates and party loyalists of two things: That Obama had a "glass jaw" (to use a Republican phrase), and that by contrast she had the momentum and fighting ability of a true winner. Those two ideas needed to be demonstrated in a convincing manner - so convincing, in fact, that Party leaders could justify overturning the agreed-upon selection process. It was a tall order, and she fell short.

Rachel Sklar: Game-Changers and Groundhog Days: The Most Exciting Super-Tuesday Yet!:

Obama's speech: "I know the promise of America, because I've lived it." Here's Obama talking about why he loves America, and why he's patriotic, in a new, fresh speech that aims him toward the general -- but looks back at the doubters, and reminds them about his own roots: "This is the country that gave my grandfather the chance to go to college on the G.I. bill when he came home from World War II...this is the country that made it possible for my mother, who had to go on food stamps at one point, to send my sister and me to the best colleges...that's the America I love. That's the America you love. That's the America that we are fighting for in this election." Yeah, that's his America, people. So go give that flag pin to someone who needs it.


Trey Ellis: Our Neighbors Are Smarter Than We Thought

The encouraging lesson from Obama's huge win in North Carolina and near-win in Indiana is that perhaps the fear card no longer trumps all others. The Bush presidencies were fueled by what Jonathan Alter of Newsweek recently called, "underinformed voters," explicitly voting against their own economic interests, often for reasons that were patently wrong. Remember during the last election, in survey after survey, a majority of Bush voters thought that Iraqis were responsible for 9/11.


Hillary's fuel tax scam was aimed squarely at those voters and along with the wall-to-wall Wright coverage it was assumed that they would be tricked and scared into flocking to her.


Cenk Uygur: Reality Has Well-Known Obama Bias:

You have to give Hillary Clinton's team credit for one thing: they have masterfully played the perception game. It might have been all smoke and mirrors, but they have done their job of keeping people confused and distracted them from what really matters.


The reality is that: 1. She has no chance of beating Barack Obama. 2. She has had no chance of beating Barack Obama for a long time now. 3. Most importantly, she has deluded people into thinking her chances of winning the nomination were improving as they were getting dramatically worse. I can prove it with one simple set of numbers.

Oliver Willis: Oliver Willis: McCain's Base Problem

John McCain has been the nominee of his party for over a month now. He has no active opposition, no figure on his side of the aisle contesting him for leadership of the Republican party and the conservative movement. And yet, Republicans are still voting against him. In Indiana McCain pulled in 77% of the vote, and he made an even worse showing with 73% in North Carolina. Even more troubling for McCain is that Huckabee is the leading protest vote. That's the religious right vote, the anti-choice crowd and the bedrock of President Bush's re-election victory.


Ari Melber: Key Voting Blocs Boost Obama in Indiana:

In Indiana, Obama improved his support across several key demographics, despite a bruising month of attacks on his pastor, patriotism and populism. Compared to Ohio and Pennsylvania, he generally drew more votes from white women, Catholics, gun owners, households earning under $50,000 annually, voters prioritizing the economy, and voters without a college degree.

Tom Hayden: Turning Point for Obama, Limbaugh Winning Indiana for Hillary:

It must be understood that the Clintons are beyond persuasion or capable of thinking beyond their own interests, at least not on their own. Left to their own repetitive patterns, they will step up the attempt to damage Barack Obama so that he is rendered unelectable in the minds of the superdelegates. At the very least, beginning this week, this may mean an assault on Bill Ayers, the Weather Underground, and a twisted depiction of Obama's history of statements on the Palestinians.

Bob Cesca: Liveblogging the North Carolina and Indiana Primaries:

8:34 From this moment forward, everything the Clinton campaign says will include the words "Michigan and Florida." The DNC will not accept the popular vote in either state and will, instead, seat the delegates 50-50. [...]


8:28 Here's what the superdelegates will see: The Rev. Wright story has done very little -- if any -- damage to Senator Obama. In fact, it might have rallied more voters to Senator Obama in the same way NH swung heavily to Senator Clinton when she was being wrongly counted out.

Lisa Gans: The Greatest Endorsement of All:

We might have heard the preamble to the most important endorsement of the Democratic Primary last night when Senator Hillary Clinton promised to back the Democratic nominee, "no matter what." It's now time for Hillary Clinton to think through what that will entail. After having spent months and millions trying to convince voters that Barack Obama is not really qualified to be president, Clinton must now do a 180, and make the case that Obama, and not John McCain, is the one and only candidate suited for the presidency. Perversely, Hillary Clinton's political future now depends on the vigor with which she supports the Obama campaign.

Joseph A. Palermo: Now, It's Really Over!:

The election did several things for the Obama campaign:


1). It defeated the myth that Barack Obama is an "elitist" because he received 36 percent of the white working-class vote in North Carolina and an impressive tally among white voters in Indiana.

2). The fact that 93 percent of African-American voters in North Carolina cast their ballots for Obama repudiates any notion that his association with Reverend Jeremiah Wright casts a pall over his judgment in the eyes a black electorate steeped in the traditions of the black church. And these are voters who are also steeped in the history of the civil rights movement. (Remember, it was in Greensboro where the lunch counter sit-ins ignited the civil rights and black student movements.)


Art Levine: Nuns, Students Blocked from Voting in Indiana -- Where's Congress?:

As voters go to the polls today to choose between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in the Indiana and North Carolina primaries, there's an overlooked peril facing all voters this year: a failing election system and GOP-led vote suppression. All these obstacles undermine fair and accurate voting, leading to potential meltdowns and the disenfranchisement of voters, especially African-Americans, the elderly and students.


Rob Kall: Will Super-Duper Delegates Change The Race?:

Today, Hillary holds a 14 superdelegate lead. My guess is in the coming days, Obama will overtake Hillary. He'll do it with the help of superdelegates who finally declare, but also, with the help of the super-duper delegates. Each announcement by a super-duper delegate will be a body slam to the Clinton campaign, but also a source of gathering momentum for the Democratic presidential nominee.

Miles Mogulescu: It's As Good As Over!:

It's now clear that Barack will end the evening increasing his popular vote lead and delegate lead over Hillary. It is mathematically all but certain that no matter what happens in the handful of remaining contests, Barack will end up in the first week in June having won the most elected delegates, the most votes and the most states. Absent an extraordinary scandal, it is now all but inconceivable that the superdelegates would then take the nomination away from Barack and hand it to Hillary.

Al Giordano: The Primary Day Ritual:

The media talking heads then ask aloud why Obama can't "close the deal" (in Clinton's own words) and what is numerically a defeat for Clinton (because the results, even in her recent wins, bring her objectively farther from the nomination in the context of the smaller number of delegates then available) gets spun as a Clinton victory.


Robert L. Borosage: Carolina On My Mind:

The superdelegates couldn't take the nomination from Obama without severely damaging the party. And it will serve no one -- neither Hillary nor Obama -- to continue a race in which she has no choice but to burlesque his positions to contrast them with her own in route to inevitable defeat. The Clinton campaign will want to fight on, no doubt. But it will be time for Dean, Reid, and Pelosi to shepherd the uncommitted superdelegates into getting off the fence in large numbers to bring this thing to a close.
 
 

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I am laughing at the posts I'm reading here today. Many posters are suddenly trying to be nice to Hillary supporters. How come? You actually need us now in order for Obama to win in November?

Sorry y'all. I myself have been so abused on this forum for supporting Hillary. Now you want to make nice nice? "Let's all get together now and support Obama". Are you kidding? Why would I suddenly think he would make a good president? I do not. I do not think neither Obama nor McCain would be a good president. I am too emotionally exhausted from all this to try to figure out who would be the lesser of two evils so sadly and for the first time, I don't think I'll be voting in November.

And I truly believe that if the shoe were on the other foot, many of you would feel the same way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 AM on 05/09/2008

If the Democratic Party is to be truly worthy of its name and purpose, it must never contemplate overturning the will of the people by ruse. The Democratic Party also must demonstrate, especially to the younger generation, that rules matter, that it is a party of rules and one that lives by the rules set in deliberate and sober discourse. Rules are only marginalized by those who live by outlaw mentality. The DNC"s own rules must count for something, or they are never going to be worth the ink spilled to write them in the first place! The DNC must eschew the temptation to allow radical, outlaw agitators within the Party to disregard and trump its rules through various nefarious tactics and thin logic that have the potential to wreck the very foundation of the Democratic Party and its most reliable base! This would be an act of hard-hearted foolishness, not wisdom. And all for what reason? To save the Clinton "dynasty"? To have the Clintons win their perennial war with the Bushes? To give Bill Clinton a new opportunity to create a more compelling and stainless legacy (no guarantee)? And even as we watch this shenanigan unfolding, no one has really bordered to ask within the Democratic Party what other skeletons are hidden in the Clinton closets--like contributors (from where, by how much and why) to the Clinton library and initiatives, to mention one potential embarrassment? And what about the ills of the old politics--Dr. Sam

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 05/07/2008

Hillary quit no way especially after the appearance of vote rigging in Indiana's lake county. The mayor from hilldale or something like that was done @ 7:30 and asked the mayor of Geary what was taking so long. Geary mayor said we are counting the votes to which the other mayor said push the button. All early voting and voting from that day was done and tallied everywhere but Geary. It tells me there was some B O supporters doing something hinky. Personally I think it's great how she started Indiana way behind and caught up! He lost huge he couldn't catch up in any state and over take her. because he is the weaker canidate. I think it's time people stopped voting just for him because of his race if he were white he would have been told get out a long time ago. double standard and his camps only arguement to any question is that's racist. No it's a question you answer it. He never does and neither do his surrogates. I think it's a shame that a constituency of voters of a certain race only voted for him because of his race. If they hadn't he would not have won most of the states he has won if he was white.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 05/07/2008

(contiuing from the previous comment) Whereas, Obama has been always talking to each of his audience, as if he assures each listener to become a responsible action taker (just like he has been) to reform this eclipsed land of freedom once he comes into office. His speech and the way he has so far lived his life (as a community organizer and the state legislator) genuinely demands and demonstrates each of us to be a participatory citizen in the American and world politics. His magnetic appeal is not resulting from his eloquent speech, but his sincere approach to his life and his community. He lets us visualize how we can work together with him, not how he will lead the country as a powerful politician in the white house.
"Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country". This should be the original sprit of America, and this is the America I though it would be before coming to this nation 8 years ago from Japan. Don"t let the old politics lead and determine your life. Let"s ask once again why Obama is truly the transcending candidate for a president of the United State.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 05/07/2008

Former Clinton backer, George McGovern urged Clinton to drop out today after Obama's strong showing in the North Carolina and Indiana delegate. I wonder what are the motives of Hillary and her backers to cling to this race so stubbornly, when her chance of winning in this race doesn't look realistic.
Unlike Obama"s campaign, Hillary"s campaign has been consistently focusing on her - her being a commander of chief, her being a powerful leader, and her being president of the United State as a first woman president. No one can assume what"s really inside politician"s mind once he/she gets in power. However, I think it is fair to asses what Hillary has demonstrated throughout her campaign leaned toward more of her own PR campaign rather than exposing various needs, voices, and life stories of the people in America. Yes, she did announce the voice of the people with mortgage crisis. Yes, she did mention about people's suffering from the lack of universal healthcare. Yes, she did tell the story of the U.S. solders fighting in the battle field. But, then always the speech comes back to her: how she can make great presidency, how she would have done differently from G.W Bush, and how strong and tough she can stand for this country. Those are all the things about her. Those are not the things about Americans - each of Americans' new actions and future life plans (Please keep reading on the next posting -->)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 05/07/2008

Obama has the nomination sewn up. Clinton doesn't really have the money to continue but will stick in there for awhile to help retire the massive debt her family has incurred ($12 million?). Her able staffers have done Obama a favor by finding out the worst about him--relationship to an angry, irrational pastor and his so called elitist comments. But, Obama still prevailed indicating he can do so in the general election.

For those who say he hasn't accomplished much or isn't a military hero, just think. Is that what we really need in a president? I would rather have someone who can inspire the country to solve our difficult problems and get us out of Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 05/07/2008

All these people calling for Hillary to quit - why should she? If the Dems want her to quit, why dont the superdelegates declare for either Hillary or Obama and end it? What is their justification for not declaring? Also what exactly is Obama going to change when hes President and how exactly
do people think hes going to change things? Its a good campaign slogan - however, it doesnt translate into much - every candidate calls for change - including Mccain -it doesnt mean a damn thing - they are just words - we will see if Obama can translate them into real action later.
We need to change the rules again - it should be winner take all - this way of splitting up delegates from each state is not working - if it was winner take all - we wouldnt be in this mess

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:45 PM on 05/07/2008

If it were winner take all, the voters of Montana, Oregon, et al would NEVER get to cast a meaningful vote in the primary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 05/07/2008

No matter who you are for in this race -- last night was a Great American Political Story. This whole contest will be discussed for many moons to come by future History Teachers. I will tell my grandchild who is only 9 months old how crazy her grandmother was following this momentum pendulum swing back and forth someday and how 2008 changed the face of Politics in this country moving forward.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 05/07/2008

Even Mayhill Fowler's "bitter" and "elitist" charges didn't work in North Carolina and Indiana.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 05/07/2008

We are about to see if the Clintons are really brilliant.
They have lost. But now they must figure out how to get out; keep their place in the Party; have some
influence in the rest of campaign; keep their options alive for 2012; and to right by the Party. Obama's not going to win in Kentucky or West Virginia for reasons that are sorta sad, but they will suffer the residual effect of this fight. So perhaps she really can't drop out before those votes?

Let's watch and as a ardent Obama supporter and a HIllary hater, I pledge to leave to myself my thoughts about Hillary. It's time for her to show some class.

Obama 08 and Beyond.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 05/07/2008

It's time to move ahead. Clinton (BILL & HILL) have blown it. They assumed it was a lock from the beginning and that Hillary was "ENTITLED" to the Presidency. If she weren't married to Bill, would we even know who she was? Obama has done this with the will of the people. The Clintons have isolated a large majority of people with their antics (saber rattling and such) that it's time to pay the piper. If Hillary wants to have a political future, she will concede and be gracious. Bitternerss will get her no where....

The DEMOCRATIC party is starting to pay the price for her poor choices. Let's move forward and keep McCain from the Whitehouse!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 05/07/2008

Landslide and microscopic? Certainly no bias in this particular article!

It would appear Obama will be the Democratic nominee because he garnered 90% plus of the black vote- not a exactly a good omen for a November election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 05/07/2008

Please! Bill Clinton garnered 85% of the Black vote when he ran. Hillary from the beginning had the support of the black vote! She had 200 million war chest, Democratic infrastructure, and the "Clinton" name brand recognition. She got the "White" vote, "women" vote (sexism), "Older" vote, the" White Blue Clollar" vote.... so your point is what?
In a general election the people that Hillary was coveting were and would vote Republican, and not the base of the Dem Party. Meanwhile, one of the staples of the Dem Party are African-Americans. As you see African-Americans have and are greater voting block than rural whites. (and I'm not trying to imply that one is better than the other) but 1 group has consistently voted Democratic!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:47 PM on 05/07/2008

The people have spoken. It is evident that the majority of people want Obama. If Hillary keeps up the losing fight for her candidacy for President, she is not abiding by the will of the people. This country has already suffered 8 years of someone doing what THEY want to do, rather than be a representative who honors the American peoples wishes. It is time to give the people what they want, and they want Obama. To keep ignoring this fact is a scary exercise in power hungry self promotion. Hillary, let the people move forward now. It is over for you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 05/07/2008

Uh, you want Obama. I don't, and I'm part of the country. He's never run a major entity, passed signficant legislation, or been a military hero. He's a well spoken lawyer who's never managed from the center and consistently pushed for redistribution of other people's wealth without their concurrence. He was elected to the Senate by a slime move on the part of the Chicago Tribune. At best he might end up as Jimmy Carter Part II. You'd have to be at least in your forties to remember those fine days... No thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 05/07/2008

Don't skip Political Science or Sociology classes anymore, oops that would imply you are educated. Obviously, you're not. You have not point, I understand you're bitter. Either you a Democrat or of the pseudo-democrat, just the point I'm making.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 05/07/2008

" . . . or been a military hero"

I am sorry. I wasn't aware that Hillary served in the military forces and fought in some horrible battle and saved any of her fellow servicemen to become a hero. Did I miss something?

I am not trying to be snide. But I felt this need to be pointed out since Hillary herself has made up so many stories about her adventures in life. I don't think her supporters need to pad her resume any more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 05/07/2008

I'm sorry, which part of "the majority of people" did you find confusing? We're still at least pretending to be a democracy, aren't we?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 05/07/2008

It's not kindly to rub it in. We must come together for once in our lives and do the right thing to help Obama be the best he can be. He wants to work for us so let's work for him. Let's let bygones be bygones and go forward. No matter how we feel about Hillary, let's wish her well and let her move on. This was a fight to the end and I hope I never have to see another one like it ever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 AM on 05/07/2008

Amen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 05/07/2008

I am going to try my hand at prophecy.

Clinton in desperation will advance the countdown clock on her October Surprise!
And release whatever hounds of hell she believes she has upon Obama.

This cannot and will not help her. The world will look on in horror and dismay at what she will have proven herself to be. It may very well torpedo Obama if it as nuclear as she believes it is.

Somewhere within eight more years of Republican rule America will cease to exist. The last vestiges will have been sold to the highest bidder. The economy will be in ruins and the rest of the world angry over our attempts to use warfare as an excuse to keep the dollar on the oil standard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 AM on 05/07/2008

Cyberbian:

Please, watch a sit-com or two, go on a picnic, best advice of all..if you have a dog go hug him/her...
if you don't have a dog, get one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 05/07/2008

The HillDog is the master of all hounds of hell and they will reap devastation upon the Ubangi.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 05/07/2008

Yawn.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 AM on 05/07/2008

I certainly hope that you are not too tired to remember that Klintonistas are (presumably) members of the Democratic Party. Obama is going to be the nominee, and we need to start uniting asap if we are going to win in November. Or would you prefer that McCain win?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 AM on 05/07/2008

And let's all thank HuffPo for photographing McLame from the left side so we can see his cancer scars. Somehow the MSM NEVER does that. He old! 71 going on 90.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 05/07/2008

Thank you. You're exactly right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 AM on 05/07/2008

It is now virtually certain that Obama will win the majority of the pledged delegates. And it is estimated that his popular vote lead is back up to 700,000. Well, some will say, but the latter leaves out MI and FL. However, what this figure doesn't properly represent is the voters in the caucus states. There really can't be a national popular vote because it would require mixing the apples and oranges of caucuses and primaries. But if you tried to create one fairly, you probably would come up with something like the following:

"How Would Primaries Have Changed the Results in Caucus States?" by Gregory P. Nini and Glenn Hurowitz . http://www.dcourage.com/Caucus%20Study.pdf

[The latter's conclusion, "We wish to make three broad points. First, because voter turnout is lower in caucuses, the popular vote dramatically devalues the popular will of citizens of caucus states. Second, the size of the devaluation is large, given that about one-third of states have used caucuses and caucus turnout is only one-fifth of primary turnout. Finally, both the actual caucus results and the results of our hypothetical primaries suggest that were every state to have held primaries, Obama would have a larger lead in the current tally of the popular vote."]

Please also check out on this topic, "The Popular Vote Myth." http://msa4.wordpress.com/

Democrats should get behind Obama asap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 AM on 05/07/2008

Hillary Fans. Hitch up to the Obama Train. Time to move the people back into the Whitehouse!

Obama 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 AM on 05/07/2008

Despite all the gloating and hatefulness from Obama fans toward Hillary and her supporters, you do have a problem. You turn us off, you insult us, and, no matter how clever your snips and jabs, you are making it more likely we'll just stay home on election day.

Why don't you become creative and lure us back into the fold ? Like, how about a cabinet post for Sen. Clinton, or NSA, or UN Amb? Obama could announce it from the podium at the Convention. Why not?

Do you hate this brilliant woman and good life-long liberal Democrats like me so much that you'd rather lose an election than come up with a way to utilize Hillary in an Obama administration? Your hatred and bitter partisanship reminds me of one thing--politics as usual.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 05/07/2008

Huffington post and its commentors are not the whole world or the whole democratic party or even the whole Obama or Clinton groups of supporters. Hillary is very gifted, no doubt about it. But I just have to say in Obama supporters' defense, I have read some pretty egregious stuff coming out of the Clinton group also. I just flagged a comment from a person who repeatedly makes blatantly racist comments and has been allowed to do so for quite awhile. He is a HIllary supporter. Of course, I know that he is in the minority of Hillary supporters. There are also incredible lies being passed on by people on this post as well as elsewhere regarding Obama. Some Hillary suporters give as good as they get. I think we are all very defensive of our favorite candidates. Obama himself would decry these kinds of attacks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 05/07/2008

I do believe that you seem to not be totally aware that it is Obama that is the candidate, no any of us posters here. So for you to automatically turn away from Obama because of what one of his supporters said is truly sad. That is basically the same as shunning Obama because of something his Rev. said.

We may be Obama's supporters and we SHOULD have been conducting