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Gov. Buddy Roemer Calls for Withdrawal From NAFTA, WTO

Posted: 10/21/11 11:38 PM ET

I have detailed in previous articles my search for a Republican presidential candidate who is good on trade issues. The candidates range from the pro-China Huntsman, to the corrupt and naïve Perry, to those who sound good but leave unclear where they really stand, like Cain, to those who leave doubt as to whether they would back up their nice words with deeds, like Romney.

But I have found one candidate whom I believe is genuinely serious about fixing America's trade mess. He's an undeniable long shot, as Herman Cain was until recently. But it's not my aim here to handicap a horse race. It's to discern the consequences of getting one of these individuals elected.

That man is Buddy Roemer, the former governor of Louisiana and a former congressman. He was generous enough to grant me an interview on the subject a few days ago, and here's what he said:

Author: How do you feel about the just-passed Colombia, Panama, and Korea free trade agreements?

Gov. Roemer: I think they're just terrible and should be repealed. They will cost America jobs and expose us to all sorts of other problems. Panama is a huge center of offshore financial fraud, something I know from my days as the president of a [non-Wall Street] bank. This treaty takes away from America many of the tools we use to fight financial fraud. The Korea agreement is with a country that has an aggressive policy of targeting American industries, and it's very one-sided. Korea's going to be allowed to export to us something like six times the number of cars we get to export to them. And they're going to allow goods that are 65 percent Chinese to sneak into the U.S. under this agreement -- even goods from North Korea. Colombia's a mess right now: lots of political violence; you don't want to be getting into bed with people like that.

Author: How do you feel about NAFTA, CAFTA, and our other trade agreements?

Gov. Roemer: They should go, be repealed. We really ought to have learned our lesson about NAFTA by now. It has not been a success, not for us and not for Mexico, which is now losing jobs to China. Ross Perot warned Al Gore in that debate in '93 that there was going to be a giant sucking sound of job loss, and that's exactly what's happened. The same goes for CAFTA in Central America and the others.

These agreements didn't happen because the American people wanted them. They happened because corporate America wanted them and with the campaign-finance system we have now, corporate America can buy whatever it wants in Washington. That's why I took campaign finance reform as the key to my campaign and I've limited my contributions to $100. And remember, a lot of it wasn't even corporate America, it was multinational corporations that don't give a fig about this country anymore. They say they do, but they don't. They pretend to be American on Capitol Hill.

Author: How do you feel about the U.S. trade deficit?

Gov. Roemer: It's horrendous, and it's the one big cause of job loss that nobody in the political establishment -- not on the Democrat side, not on the Republican side -- wants to talk about. They're all blathering about expanding exports when it doesn't matter how much we export if our imports just keep going up even more, which is what's been happening. It's only net exports that are going to make a dent in our unemployment, and we're going the opposite direction right now with a trade deficit that is around $500 billion a year or so. That's a jobs plan we could do right now: end the trade deficit, or at least cut it.

A lot of people in the administration, in the Wall Street Journal crowd, in the Republican House leadership, seem to think our trade deficits aren't real money. So long as they get one more quarter of rising profits, one more term in office, they don't care. But it's real money, money that we borrow abroad and sell off our assets here in the United States, and that's a permanent loss of real wealth to this country. Quite aside from the jobs question. We're selling off our birthright for a mess of potage in the form of a few container ships of flat-screen TVs. This is where our international debt comes from, not just government spending.

Author: If elected president, what would you be willing to do to end the trade deficit?

Gov. Roemer: I think the time for talking and believing that other countries will play nice if we just ask them to, or maybe write up a bunch of rules like the so-called laws of the WTO, is over. We don't seem to get in this country that international trade is rivalry. It's not all rivalry, of course, there are positive benefits and so forth, which is why I'm not against trade, but there's a big part of it that's a rivalry. They win and we lose, which is what happens when we go head-to-head against these big state-capitalist countries like China.

So we've got to consider things like a serious tariff to end our trade deficit. Not something I'd rush into blindly, and maybe there's other ways to skin this cat, but I wouldn't flinch at putting a 30 percent tariff on Chinese goods, or a tariff on imports across the board, with the whole world or the countries running a surplus with us. And the interesting thing, of course, is that once the other side knows that, knows that we'd do a tariff, maybe they learn real fast to be a bit more reasonable? But you've got to have a credible threat that you'd do it if you want that "Speak softly and carry a big stick" stuff to work.

Author: How do you feel about the currency-manipulation bill that just passed the Senate?

Gov. Roemer: I support it. Wholeheartedly. Currency manipulation is obviously a big part of China's strategy to squeeze us dry, and we can stop it if we make the effort. I think the administration doesn't get state capitalism at all, how they have these deliberate strategies against us and how it's just a different animal from free-market capitalism, the kind of capitalism we have here in the United States. We're not dealing with a free market in trade anymore, and China's just the most blatant example. Japan, the EU, they all have their little games -- sorry, their big games -- to build up their industries at the expense of ours and run surpluses against us. Germany's currency is manipulated, de facto it is, because the euro is too strong for the weaker economies in Europe and too weak for the stronger economies, which they are. And frankly, this currency bill is fairly mild stuff, it's not anything radical and crazy. Boehner and Cantor should let the House vote on it.

Author: What do you think about the WTO?

Gov. Roemer:
It's pretty obviously a failure at this point. The whole idea was, in 1995 when they set it up, that all the world now knows how wonderful free trade is, so everybody wants free trade, and because of that, we can set up these rules for free trade and everyone's going to obey them. Even if the enforcement mechanism is a joke, it's like nothing, everyone's going to obey it because they believe in free trade. But they don't really believe in it. We do, maybe a few others, but the rest of the world doesn't. They believe in mercantilism, in grab-what-you-can, which is just a disaster when they interact with nations that try to play by free-trade rules. You can't twist the arm of a nuclear power like China with all these paper punishments the WTO hands out. It's a big fraud and America should withdraw. Out.

The WTO is also a terrible deal for American sovereignty, for American democracy. We've given these useless judges over in Geneva the right to tell us what laws we can and can't have, based on what some foreign company or investor in the U.S. doesn't like. Somebody called the WTO "the constitution of the world economy." We don't need somebody else's constitution to run our economy; we already have our own. That's the whole point of having a free country that we govern ourselves. Why are we throwing that away?

Author: What would you say to people who say free trade is about freedom, it's the American Way?

Gov. Roemer: It's not freedom for us right now, that's for sure. It's not freedom when foreign nations get to export their goods to us but our own companies, our own workers, are blocked in exporting the other way. We are not free in this situation, we are patsies.

And free trade is destroying our industries, our defense industries, which we rely upon to defend our freedom. We can't put an airplane into the sky anymore without parts made by potential adversaries. Do we expect the Chinese to lend us the money to buy from them weapons to defend ourselves? Free trade today, or the farce we call that, is one of the biggest threats to our freedom.

Let me tell you something about freedom. The Founding Fathers knew a think or two about freedom. And they were protectionists. They took their cues from Alexander Hamilton, the guy on the $10 bill. And he said, you're not going to have an independent country if you go with free trade. You're going to be at the mercy of Europe. And Lincoln was the same way. Teddy Roosevelt, and other great Republican -- and a protectionist. All those presidents on Mount Rushmore, they were all protectionists. Did you know that?

I did, actually.

So -- why do I believe that Gov. Roemer is serious about what he says when I'm still unsure about, say, Mitt Romney?

One, because I've gotten to know him a bit over the last few months, and know some of his advisors. I'm convinced these folks mean it. I can't read minds and I don't have a crystal ball to see the future, but this lot ring true.

Two, because there is no other plausible explanation for the positions he has taken. If, that is, Gov. Roemer were merely out for himself, he wouldn't be saying these things. There's just no percentage in it. I can believe -- I'm not sure at this juncture -- that Mitt Romney's position on trade may (repeat, may) be a carefully calibrated appeal for votes designed to harvest public angst on the issue without upsetting his business backers. But Roemer is going to get nothing out of this if he doesn't mean it. He's already alienated a lot of his friends in the Republican and corporate establishment by telling the truth about campaign finance, his other signature issue, and I think he's burned his bridges and staked his fight upon telling the truth on this issue, too.

Those readers who are interested in his non-trade positions can take a look at this article. Even if you don't think Gov. Roemer can win -- but look at how Cain came out of nowhere! -- casting a vote for him would certainly send a message that needs to be sent.

 
 
 

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Fred Scarran
09:58 AM on 11/07/2011
So how's it hanging; to the only people in the universe who talk about Tariffs.
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Fred Scarran
01:53 AM on 11/12/2011
Seriously, everyone else is talking about the Tea Party and Occupy the Bathroom movement and nobody is talking about trade and Tariffs.
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Quinn M
Feel trickled on yet?
08:05 PM on 10/25/2011
As long as we elect presidents whose campaigns are bankrolled by Wall Street, we will continue facing policies that put executives before workers.

Who else in this race besides Buddy is talking about the harmful effects of NAFTA and similar trade bills on American jobs? Who else is raising the issue of child labor and sweatshops in China (our biggest trading partner)?

We can't keep voting for the status quo and expect a different result.
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clearasmud
Obama Is Nothing More Than A Moderate Republican
04:27 AM on 10/24/2011
The fact that Roemer is not leading the Repug Primary says a lot about the GOPer Party.
oilfield
large employer per obamacare
12:45 AM on 10/24/2011
he has good ideas but wont raise enough cash 100.00 at a time.....
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Quinn M
Feel trickled on yet?
08:07 PM on 10/25/2011
It depends on how many Americans step up and contribute. I hope you'll consider supporting him as I have.
oilfield
large employer per obamacare
10:09 PM on 10/25/2011
i havent yet, but may....i think all ideas are worth hearing at least once....
07:27 PM on 10/23/2011
Love the comment about our government debt being a function of the trade deficit. Of course it is. They don’t use dollars inside China so what else can they do with the green back? They can buy US private assets or government debt. They could buy commodities from other nations, but ultimately, those dollars have to make their way back into the USA to buy US private assets or government debt. You want to make a dent in the government deficit, stop buying products made in countries that practice unfair trade and stop electing politicians allow the unfair trade to continue.
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Mr Hankey
Kucinich / Sanders (Democratic Socialist)
05:47 PM on 10/23/2011
Think about this: What transnational corporation, or any large corporation that benefits from "buying" our government though lobbyists would possibly allow Roemer media attention? - the answer is NONE.

That's why he doesn't get attention....they will do everything possible in these debates, (including changing their own rules) to keep Buddy Roemer out, because they know he could beat all of the well known GOP candidates.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's being suppressed by BigMoney.
oilfield
large employer per obamacare
12:48 AM on 10/24/2011
he shot himself in the foot with the 100.00 a person thing.
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Mr Hankey
Kucinich / Sanders (Democratic Socialist)
01:04 AM on 10/24/2011
but that's a realistic public donation. Perhaps you're correct, but he's walking his talk.
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Mr Hankey
Kucinich / Sanders (Democratic Socialist)
05:29 PM on 10/23/2011
Even the D's know he's on to some really important issues like getting special interest money corruption out of politics and policy, in addition to his ideas on FAIR (not free) trade.

If Roemer had more attention, he'd definitely be ahead of Cain. If he doesn't get the GOP nomination, I hope whoever is President in 2012 will find a prominent place for him in their administration.

Thanks so much for this post Ian.
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sean alphonse
12:45 PM on 10/23/2011
Wow. Check out Thom Hartmann's interview with Pat Buchanan on "free trade." Cripes, was I wrong in the 80s on this issue. Thanks to Ian Fletcher, I get it. Too bad the president doesn't get it. Here's the link.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x627655
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sean alphonse
10:03 AM on 10/23/2011
Roemer was interviewe­d a few weeks ago on Jon Stewart and is the real thing. He is only accepting individual contributi­ons, too, and is an ally for publicly financed campaigns. He's NOT part of the weekly GOP candidate reality-id­iot show, so no one is hearing him. I'm not a Republican in any way, but a small contributi­on will help him talk about issues that neither the GOPers nor the DNC want to talk about, as they are both corrupted with campaign money.
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Quinn M
Feel trickled on yet?
08:11 PM on 10/25/2011
I'm a lifelong Democrat and I couldn't agree more. I've contributed the max and would vote for him given the chance. Even if he doesn't win the Republican primary, given some air time, he could plant seeds in the minds of the public and force the other candidates to distance themselves from Wall Street, which could only be a positive.
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mansterEZ
searching for secular humanist fact-based truth
05:33 PM on 10/22/2011
I would vote for Buddy if he were not a Republican. Seems to me he would be in the same position as Boehner being policy-controlled by the extreme abracadabratards in his party. If he is to be taken by his word as illustrated in this post then there is still hope for American values.

Great piece again, Ian.
04:24 PM on 10/22/2011
The Governor's lack of understanding of trade issues is simply astounding. Protectionism is the last refuge of the incompetent and the uninformed.
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Ian Fletcher
Economist, Coalition for a Prosperous America
09:29 PM on 10/22/2011
Given that he has an MBA from Harvard and you don't, on what grounds do you call him "incompetent" and "uninformed"?
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02:50 PM on 10/23/2011
Most other countries practice protectionism against our exports, many of them are experience strong growth numbers, this being the case than it suggests that protectionism isn't as bad as you make it out to be.
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EHenry
Author of the new book - How We Got Swindled by Wa
12:07 PM on 10/22/2011
Roemer appears to be an old line Republican and sounds far better than the pack. However, there is a need for any president to recognize and acknowledge the fact of born-again Social Darwinism in its present metamorphic of state of Financial Darwinism. The root cause first before applying salve to all the wounds.
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Bill Roth
I wrote it so it must be true....
11:51 AM on 10/22/2011
The most individual thinker in the POTUS race. Needs more funding to get national exposure. Another reason for campaign refinance. Gives very intelligent responses. Does not pander to the voter. Just answers the question. Refreshing to have a knowledgable mind on the current state of affairs. When we are not owned it is truly a freedom. Buddy Roemer refuses to take PAC money. Needs more people behind him. He was once a Democrat but is now a Republican. But, really what other than the two party system do we have. He is probably liberal and a independent. But intelligent. Need to find out more by giving him more air time in debates. Could be a good write in candidate. Given the choices. Something for the people to think about.
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timm0
I'm not top 0.01% - so it must be because I'm lazy
11:03 AM on 10/22/2011
If this guy ran as an independent, he would be able to get moving on signatures and become a serious threat in 2012.

The only thing that gives me pause about the man is that he's trying to get the republican party's nomination when the republican party platform is for doubling down on free trade. You have to be beyond optimistic to think you can break through that wall.
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11:23 AM on 10/22/2011
Third party, or independent candidates, have two problems. The first is the huge amount of money needed; this graph gives some idea:

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/
Banking on Becoming President | OpenSecrets

That was before the SCOTUS "Citizens United" decision.

The second problem is that ballot access laws have been rigged by the two-party duopoly to make it almost impossible for independen­t or third-part­y candidates to get on the ballots:

http://www.thelibertyvoice.com/ralph-nader-ron-paul-agree-ballot-access-laws-are-rigged-against-independent-third-party-candidates
Ralph Nader & Ron Paul Agree: Ballot Access Laws are Rigged Against Independen­t & Third Party Candidates | The Liberty Voice

http://rangevoting.org/Strangle.html
RangeVoting.org - Stranglehold of 2-party domination

http://www.freeandequal.org/videos/free-equal-ballot-access-movie/
Free & Equal Ballot Access Movie

There was more turnover in the Soviet Politburo than in the U.S. Congress

There is some progress:

http://www.freeandequal.org/2011/04/ballot-access-reform-bills-in-16-states-nation-wide/
Ballot access reform bills in 16 states nation-wide | Free And Equal
10:46 AM on 10/22/2011
This is a response to Geauterre, who raised a legitimate question. Mr. Roemer was only Gov of Louisiana from 1988 to 1992...so what is currently happening has nothing to do with him. That would be Governor Bobby Jindal. =)

Buddy Roemer walks the walk. I have been following this guy for a while and sad to see that he isn't given the respect he deserves when it comes to debates. But I have been happy to see that he is starting to crop up on the news. Unfortunately, the policies that allow you to make it onto the debates are ones that require you to bring a lot of money to the table. Terrible way to pick a President.