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Ian Gurvitz

Ian Gurvitz

Posted: August 9, 2010 01:39 PM

Why Build The "Ground Zero Mosque"?

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As a New Yorker living in L.A, and one who has stood at the WTC site and stared at the names of friends on a plaque, I've followed the recent controversy over the so-called Ground Zero Mosque with some interest. And, as with most public debates, it's been quickly reduced to its simplest pro and con arguments. On the pro side, it's a matter of religious freedom, a way of showing that we, as Americans are above the base, gut-level thinking that demonizes Islam based on 9/11 and world-wide extremism. Let's show the world what it means to be American by celebrating religious freedom. This is New York. We celebrate diversity. We are diversity. The con arguments are less theoretical and more emotional. It's a slap in the face to all New Yorkers, all Americans, all people - particularly those who suffered personally on 9/11.

But the more I listen to the arguments, there's another one I don't hear. It's not about permission. It's about intent. It's not about whether or not an organization should be allowed to build an Islamic cultural center/mosque so close to Ground Zero. It's a matter of why they would want to.

Even if you ascribed the worst possible motives to those behind the project - adding insult to injury -- what harm could the insult do that could even come close to the pain of the injury? The injury was so devastating that the insult would pale in comparison. It would be a long way to go for a relatively meaningless symbolic gesture.

But, for argument's sake, let's ascribe the best possible intentions to those behind the project. A chance to show the true face of Islam and wipe away the stain of those black-hearted fools who were dumb and angry enough to be convinced that they were enacting the will of some higher power by committing mass murder. If the intention is to ask us not to judge Islam by the actions of terrorists, to show that we share a common religious tradition and to reach across cultural barriers, then why do the one thing that would embitter American hearts even more? To think that there wouldn't be a strong, visceral reaction to the project is disingenuous. By announcing plans to build a mosque just blocks away from the site you not only add to the pain of those who suffered on that day and continue to suffer, but you enable every politician, not to mention every Idiot American with a Twitter account, to set out on a campaign to demonize Islam and score political points in an election year. You fail at the very thing you set out to accomplish. And, to be a bit more cynical, if the goal is mere public relations, then this is just very bad PR.

If one accepts the idea that compassion is at the root of all religious traditions, and if even the partial intent of this project is to reach out and show compassion for the victims, this simply isn't a very compassionate thing to do. If the people behind the project really wanted to show the true heart of Islam, why do it through a building? Even though I left NY over 20 years ago and only get back about once a year, if memory serves, I'm pretty sure that the one thing NY doesn't absolutely need is another building. The city is lousy with buildings. Instead off adding to the architectural landscape, if the goal is to heal wounds, why not take that $100 million and actually heal? Start a fund for victims' families. Cops. Firemen. EMTs. Rescue workers. (Especially those whose continuing medical coverage didn't seem necessary, at least as far as Republicans in the House are concerned.) Use the money to treat wounds that may never heal. Ease suffering. Help rebuild the lives of the people whose lives stopped like a watch that got stepped on almost 9 years ago. Give money to schools. Help the sick. Give relief to families who are struggling. Momentarily put aside the symbolic gesture in favor of actual help.

At some point, it's less a matter of religious freedom than of common sense. You won't teach Americans about Islam by building a community center/mosque. Particularly on that spot in lower Manhattan. You could teach Americans about Islam through actions that demonstrate love, compassion, and a desire to heal. By doing that, you may one day discover American partners who would help you build an Islamic cultural center and mosque in the city - and that building would stand as a true monument to our mutual understanding, and mutual healing.

 
 
 
 
 
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05:55 PM on 08/12/2010
I have tried to look into the Imam Rauf's positions as much as possible. He is described as a "moderate". I've tried to confirm that, but have found that he advocates Sharia Law, that it is compatable with the constitution. I find that extreme - Can anyone explain how is this "moderate"? I also think we need to look into the concept of "taquiyya" with this man.
03:25 PM on 08/12/2010
By all means, let us ascribe the most noble possible intentions to the Cordoba Initiative -- at least as a thought experiment. Ian Gurvitz is right on the money to ask, in that case, "why do the one thing that would embitter American hearts even more?"

I think we can answer that question and still grant Iman Rauf & Co. noble intentions. But we must, however, conclude that they are incapable of putting those intentions into practice. That is, of course, very often the case with good intentions.

Obviously the Cordoba Initiative has failed miserably in their efforts at "improving Muslim-West relations." Short of another terrorist attack, one would be hard-pressed to dream up a way of creating more polarization, more suspicion, and more animosity, than the firestorm that the Cordoba Initiative and their boosters have brought down on themselves.

If the Cordoba Initiative is indicative of the best and the brightest of "moderate" Islam, then we now know why the extremists are winning.
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taijiredlion
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05:10 PM on 08/12/2010
"Why do the one thing that would embitter American hearts even more?"

Think about that. What that implies is that we have "Americans" over here, and over there, we have these the "Muslims," who want to build a community center for themselves, without any regard for the feelings of the Americans. Right? But that's not what's actually going on, is it? The Muslims in question are also Americans. They live in New York, and have for generations. There are already something like 10 mosques in lower Manhattan serving their community, because that's where they live. So now these Americans, who happen to be Muslim, want to build a community center, and they're told no, you would "embitter the hearts" of the "Americans". So... apparently these Muslim-Americans are not REAL Americans. Apparently THEIR hearts were not embittered by 9/11, despite the fact that THEIR neighborhood was almost destroyed, and 28 Muslims also died on 9/11.

Does this strike anyone as patently unjust? It should. This is simply exclusionary ethnic and religious stereotyping, something our country has too long a history of already. This "issue" is being whipped up by self-serving politicians on the right, like Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich. Don't fall for it. Since 9/11, we've asked moderate Muslims to stand up for what's right. Now that they are, they need the support of their fellow Americans -- not our cold right shoulder.
10:42 PM on 08/11/2010
I am perplexed that David Paterson would suggest state land for the site. Whatever position one stands on the mosque issue, state land must not be used for its site.

Once again the incompetent Paterson proves he can not govern. But, then again Paterson could never really govern. “The Democratic Conference: Organizational and Operational Structure Report” is an eyewitness account of Paterson’s DYSFUNCTIONAL governing nature while Senate Minority Leader.

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM110_demreportfinal.html

Paterson’s office was criticized for PATRONAGE, LACK OF LEADERSHIP, INDECISIVENESS and INFIGHTING. Those interviewed in the report indicated that its chief of staff the disorganized Michael Jones-Bey had no management skills, would booze it up with staff, often coming in the office with a hangover, and should be fired.

Amazingly, for running such a DYSFUNCTIONAL CHAOTIC office, the disorganized Michael Jones-Bey was picked by Paterson to mismanage the Division of Minority & Women Owned Business Development (MWBE) at Empire State Development Corporation.

Now, that's the Paterson way, being rewarded for your incompetence.
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03:40 PM on 08/10/2010
Great article, nice to see someone with common sense writing for HuffPo!
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10:57 AM on 08/10/2010
"It's a matter of why they would want to. Even if you ascribed the worst possible motives to those behind the project - adding insult to injury -- what harm could the insult do that could even come close to the pain of the injury?"

I love concern trolling in the morning. Stay in LA.
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Ian Gurvitz
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12:32 PM on 08/10/2010
I was born in New York, and lived and worked in New York for much of my adult life. What makes your concern so damn authentic? Your present geographical location? And the "stay in L.A." shot shows your knowledge about this city is grounded in little more than the occasional episode of Entourage.
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Eris23
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01:09 PM on 08/10/2010
I've lived in L.A. too, kid. Given you seem prone to melodrama, I think it's better you stay there. Those of us around here have grown pretty tired of the concern trolling around this issue. Being in L.A. and all, perhaps you should ask somebody?
09:23 AM on 08/10/2010
The writer talks about "common sense" ?? The world keeps moving ahead every day. At ground zero they will have a HUGE memorial space for every to visit. Being a New Yorker, the city is always changing and we can not STOP the rest of the city from moving ahead, is'nt that the real recovery from 9/11 ??
I am also tired of writers calling it the "ground zero" Mosque. First off, it is 2 1/2 city block from Ground zero ( in NY that is pretty far away) and it is NOT a Mosque, but a Community Center. Do they have a prayer room ?? sure... I am sure every Christian center has a place for prayers. FEAR of the unknow or differnt MUST be stopped.
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PresidentRobertBooth
08:52 AM on 08/10/2010
***Why Build The "Ground Zero Mosque"?***

It's not a mosque and it's not at "ground zero"

So with those two basic misunderstandings, it's difficult to proceed from there.
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Ian Gurvitz
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10:12 AM on 08/10/2010
I know where and what it is. That's why I put quotes in the title around "Ground Zero Mosque." And I'm not against building a community center. I was just suggesting that to think there wouldn't be a visceral reaction to the project -- justified or not -- was naive, but that more importantly, on the level of reaching out to the community in the spirit of moving forward, or just on the level of good PR, the people behind the project might have considered using some or all of that money to help people suffering from 9/11 to heal, in some very concrete, non-symbolic ways. Religion should be about compassion and easing suffering and that would have done both. Given the circumstances, it might have been smarter, and more religious, to build a bridge instead of a building.
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PresidentRobertBooth
11:53 AM on 08/10/2010
***I know where and what it is. That's why I put quotes in the title around "Ground Zero Mosque." And I'm not against building a community center. I was just suggesting that to think there wouldn't be a visceral reaction to the project -- justified or not -- was naive, but that more importantly, on the level of reaching out to the community in the spirit of moving forward, or just on the level of good PR, the people behind the project might have considered using some or all of that money to help people suffering from 9/11 to heal, in some very concrete, non-symbolic ways. Religion should be about compassion and easing suffering and that would have done both. Given the circumstances, it might have been smarter, and more religious, to build a bridge instead of a building***

The way to build a bridge comes not from the Muslims in this case, but rather from those who seem to think that extremists and terrorists represent a religion as a whole. When the protestors stop generalising, only then people can move forward and heal.
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uansari1
04:18 PM on 08/10/2010
The building WILL BE the bridge you're looking for, and more. The center is planned as a community outreach center, as well as a place from which to base charitable programs, educational programs, etc. You fail to see that, but that's your problem... not those of Muslim-Americans who want the community center built there.
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02:06 AM on 08/10/2010
I suppose since President Obama declared to the world America is the largest Muslim country in the world ( not Christian anymore ) he now has to prove it by allowing the largest highrise Mosque in the world and being built at ground zero. This will be seen as a symbol of victory over the The Great Satan (United States) in the muslim world. I have nothing against the building of a Mosque but I feel they have a hidden agenda here.
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PresidentRobertBooth
11:55 AM on 08/10/2010
***I suppose since President Obama declared to the world America is the largest Muslim country in the world ( not Christian anymore ) he now has to prove it by allowing the largest highrise Mosque in the world and being built at ground zero. This will be seen as a symbol of victory over the The Great Satan (United States) in the muslim world. I have nothing against the building of a Mosque but I feel they have a hidden agenda here.***

Actually the real victory for extremists would come by highlighting the opposition to the community centre, because it allows America's enemies to say "look...they think all Muslims are terrorists"

The way to beat the extremists is to let the centre be built and show America as an enlightened country that can rise above ignorance.
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uansari1
04:19 PM on 08/10/2010
Your lack of knowledge and resulting suspicion are your problem. The information is out there, but apparently no amount of it will change your mind or help you to see reason.
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11:29 PM on 08/09/2010
"The foundation of irreligious criticism is this: Man makes religion,
religion does not make man ... Religious suffering is, at one and the same
time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering.
Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless
world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.
The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the
demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions
about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that
requires illusions."

-- Karl Marx
Contribution to the Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right
February, 1844
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11:28 PM on 08/09/2010
Excellent article.
09:58 PM on 08/09/2010
Mwahahahahaha!
First the the Presidency, then the Ground Zero Mosque, and soon the implemention of Sharia law, yes, we Muslims will soon take over America... (sarcasm)
06:41 PM on 08/09/2010
Perhaps so that the thousands of Muslims working and living downtown can fulfill their religious obligations? The current spaces for Muslims to pray are vastly inadequate being extremely crowded and in terrible conditions.
06:24 PM on 08/09/2010
That particular part of NYC was once known as "little syria" it is essentially the historic home of the islamic religion in NYC, there are also no mosques in the area if i am not mistaken so what is so wrong with the intent to build a place of worship for mulsims living the area and couple it with a community center (the primary part of the project ) that has stated it will be open and available to all members of the community...what is so wrong with that intent? didn't mulsims die as well in the attacks, and shouldn't there be a representation of the islamic faith in the area so that those of that faith can pray for their loved ones near the site of the attacks? there are churches and synagogues in the area. i think you've touched on an aspect that hasn't gotten much attention as well but shouldn't those who are against this project (who have demanded that their feelings be considered) consider the feelings and intent of those that want it. Many americans have wondered where the voices of moderate islam are...and yet when those that represent such a perspective try to do something like the community center they are often shouted down by the opposition. Let's face it some in this country seem to have developed a hatred of all muslims regardless of their views on extremism and do not wish to discuss it on any level