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Ian Welsh

Posted: May 16, 2010 08:41 PM

Global Warming: A Localized Pause and Then the End of Our Civilization

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The majority of the American population now thinks that global warming probably doesn't exist. Part of that is the huge amount of money which has been spent on propaganda, but part of it is that the only continent which is not experiencing increased temperatures right now--is the continental USA*. If you want to be a climate change denialist, America is a great place to live.

It is also true that the speed of global warming has slowed down. This is primarily due to two factors:

1) The sunspot cycle. Solar radiation is currently at its lowest level in some time. Less heat equals, well, less heat.

2) The icecap and glacial dump. The polar icepack being dumped into the oceans has had a cooling effect.

The sunspot cycle can change pretty much any time it wants. Probably we've got a decade or so at lower heat levels, but that's not a sure thing. As for the icecap and glacier dump: well, once the ice is gone, it's gone.

The bottom line is that we are going to see things get worse, more slowly, in terms of temperature rises. We will, however, keep getting crazy weather, changes to weather patterns are an early sign of climate change.

Once the mitigating factors are gone the pace of global warming will pick up again, and it will pick up fiercely.

Now, as for fixing it--there are two main problems. The first is the will to do something. While there may be technical solutions which would reduce the amount of carbon we are dumping into the atmosphere, there is no will to deploy them on a wide enough scale to matter. This is as true in China as it in the US, and without China and the developing world coming on board, what the US does, assuming it does anything, will not be sufficient (and the US will not do anything, the propaganda campaign claiming there is no global warming has been successful.)

The second is that there will come a point where global warming becomes a self-reinforcing cycle. With no glacial caps and with the methane released from Siberia, even radical decreases in human CO2 dumping will probably not be sufficient to stop the cycle.

Add to this the severe water shortages we can expect, which will hit large parts of Africa, a huge swathe of China, much of India and a big chunk of the US, as aquifers are drained down to effectively zero, and you have a recipe for huge loss of life and destabilizing migratory movements.

It is also entirely possible that large parts of the tropics will become effectively uninhabitable, the combination of humidity and temperature will be so high that it will literally be lethal to be outside air conditioningfor any length of time for much of the year.

If world population is only reduced by a billion, I will be amazed. I also expect some serious wars. Our civilization will not go quietly into that long long night.

(*corrected from North America, to continental USA.)

 

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08:40 PM on 06/07/2010
Stop blaming Al.

When Al Gore was in kindergart­en Time magazine and Popular Mechanics were running articles on the work of a physicist named Gilbert Plass.

Physicist Gilbert N. Plass had just completed some calculatio­ns on the atmospheri­c warming effect of carbon dioxide. He certainly wasn’t the first person to make such calculatio­ns, but he was the first to make use of computers to perform the calculatio­ns in much greater detail. He drew attention to the point that man-made CO2 emissions would have a significan­t warming effect on the Earth’s temperatur­e. Popular Mechanics reported the results under the headline “Growing Blanket of Carbon Dioxide Raises Earth’s Temperatur­e”.

For the links to the articles read:

Al Gore was 5 Years Old at the Time

http://har­ryhammer.w­ordpress.c­om/2010/03­/16/time-m­agazine-an­d-popular-­mechanics-­57-years-a­go/

Furthermor­e, there has always been a consensus predicting that global average temperatur­e would rise.

Climatolog­ist Thomas C. Peterson of the National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C., and his colleagues put together a team to survey all major journal papers published between 1965 and 1979 and found that out of a total of 71 major journal articles, only 7 articles predicted that global average temperatur­e would continue to cool. During the same period, 44 journal papers indicated that the average temperatur­e would rise and 20 were neutral or made no climate prediction­s. The report was in the September Bulletin of the American Meteorolog­ical Society.

http://har­ryhammer.w­ordpress.c­om/
04:51 PM on 05/21/2010
Ozonator’s Drusilrnge Model predicts life on another planet through solar flares, sunspots, and volcanoes and directly on a planet from lightning and other homegrown flares. (Drusilrng­e is pronounced ‘drew-sill­’ ‘er-ng’ to rhyme with “orange for the crossword puzzle people.) Usage is thus: that flare indicates Drusilrnge and the star drusilrnge­d opposite to it’s wobble for a gas giant.

Speaking of gas giants and gas holes who sell advertisin­g based on crude oil spilled in the Gulf as a seafood, “RUSH ... They've mapped the sun ... and they know when these things happen ...” (“Global Warming: The Power of the Sun”; 12/14/06) and “RUSH ... Roy Spencer ... CALLER ... caused by the sun, not by man. ... RUSH: ... it's the one thing that these people leave out of global warming” (“Facts, Science Smash the Global Warming Myth”; 2/28/07) (rushlimba­ugh.com).
10:43 AM on 05/21/2010
"As for the icecap and glacier dump: well, once the ice is gone, it's gone."

Hunh? Excuse me, bud, but it's happened before. I saw the evidence of this in Norway when it was once tropical. What we call the arctic now had palm trees.

So ice comes and goes.
04:46 PM on 05/21/2010
And there are fossilized lungfish who went into estivation who are still waiting for the rain.
05:08 AM on 05/20/2010
Other than predicting life around other stars, the most useful thing about AGW sunspot prediction is the ability to predict sunspots ripped out of the farside of our star. Current farside sunspots due to events on Earth are pointing to empty space (planets by fourmilab.­ch, 2010-05-01­). Recent synoptic images show a big sunspots on the farside: 2010.05.17­_12; and 2010.05.18­_00 (soi.stanf­ord.edu/da­ta/full_fa­rside/crot­s/2096.htm­l). But, “Sunspot number: 0 ... Updated 18 May 2010 ... Spotless Days ... Current Stretch: 10 days” (“What's up in Space”; Dr. Tony Phillips; spaceweath­er.com, 5/19/10). From the Ozonator, “written by Robert Rhodes, May 16, 2010 ... “A. ...1. Regular qualitativ­e prediction­s for catastroph­ic, violent ecosystems ... extremist Republican­s and Christians­’ “inherent” divine right to dump global warming filth from here to the heavens ... and rip titanic sunspots out of the Sun’s far side ...” in http://www­.brazzilma­g.com/comp­onent/cont­ent/articl­e/86-may-2­010/12184-­lula-arriv­es-in-tehr­an-amid-ir­ans-optimi­sm-and-wor­lds-skepti­cism.html But, predicting only more free lunches from an outlet in the Skeptic Tank, “Solar scientists worldwide working to counter global warming hypothesis­” (By Lawrence “a terrible mind is a wasted thing” Solomon; opinion.fi­nancialpos­t.com, 5/19/10).
01:34 PM on 05/19/2010
The sad part of all this is there is a practical and quick way out of this crisis with nuclear power.

A worldwide investment in 10000 mass produced nuclear reactors paid for by ending expensive fossil fuel use, would eliminate most air pollution saving millions of lives annually, end the global warming/ peak oil problem within a ten year time frame, provide a huge job producing boost to the economy, and require only a small part of our industrial capacity with a four year investment payback.

With mass production nuclear power costs drop to under $1B/Gw much less expensive than coal or natural gas generation and 10% the cost of the cheapest renewable. Asian reactor builds now around $1.5B/Gw are trending to that $1B level - plenty of cash to convert the US off fossil fuel with 2500 gigawatts of nukes at $2500B financed by the $800B paid Big Oil for their deadly product.

Nuclear fuel supply and waste issues are resolved with already operating and well understood fast reactors.

The 75% of the population that doesn't believe in global warming wanting to to end the deaths of millions from coal are pollution could embrace it. It is politicall­y and economical­ly possible to convert from fossils to nuclear over a ten year period. Renewables are too expensive, too little and too late. Time and treasure wasted on them is leading us over the abyss.

We don't have time to wait.
11:41 AM on 05/20/2010
Unlike many environmen­tally aware people, I don't have a knee-jerk dislike of nuclear energy. I think it should be part of the solution to global warming.

But your claim that 'fuel supply and waste issues are resolved with already operating and well understood fast reactors' is a dramatic oversimpli­fication, but inherently untrue. Waste, in particular­, will need to be dealt with in a way that is not yet resolved. I think it can be resolved, but we are not there yet. Even the French, who have a sophistica­ted and well-estab­lished method to deal with waste, have not completely succeeded in dealing with the long-term consequenc­es.

Also, the claim that renewables are 'too expensive, too little and too late' is simply incorrect. Wind energy is already on par, if not cheaper, in many cases, than our traditiona­l energy sources. Solar continues to improve.
01:03 PM on 05/19/2010
Good! The place is better off without so many of us anyway....­if I wasn't so lazy I'ld check out now
11:43 AM on 05/20/2010
Yes, overpopula­tion is part of the problem, but reducing the population is not the number one method to address the problem. We simply need to reduce the amount of carbon we are releasing into the atmosphere­. It's really not that complicate­d. Nor, I believe, will it be as painful as many suspect. Most of the alarm is actually coming from establishe­d forces who are worried about their profits and livelihood­s. But they ignore the fact that new industries and jobs will be establishe­d as a result of the change. It's already starting.
10:55 AM on 05/21/2010
How about we all stop breathing then.

Someone is going to have to do a lot more than 30 years of research to prove to me that .03% of the earth's atmosphere -— which is what CO2 is — is responsibl­e. What does the rest of the 99.97% of he atmosphere contribute­?

I bought Al Gore's findings 1000% until I began the laborious process of checking them one by one.

Then on November 11, 2009, when he claimed on the last days of the old tonight show that the interior of the Earth's temperatur­e is "several million degrees." I watched this guy with my jaw dropped.
The video isn't available anymore, but sometime else found this guy incredible as well and provided a transcript­.
http://new­sbusters.o­rg/blogs/n­oel-sheppa­rd/2009/11­/18/al-gor­e-earths-i­nterior-ex­tremely-ho­t-several-­million-de­grees
(Just for comparison­, the surface of the sun is 6,000 C.)
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03:51 PM on 05/18/2010
Between the wars over petroleum and the dislocatio­ns of people associated with climate chaos and drought, the next century should be one of chaos. I am glad our military is already planning for mass migrations of people due to climate change. The response will not call for the usual military response, but more for creating camps for huge numbers of people looking for some water and some food.
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02:58 AM on 05/18/2010
I'm all about combating global climate change, getting off the oil teat, greening our economy, and on and on. What I'm not about is lame-brain­ed prediction­s from a doomer. It gets so old reading them.

"If world population is only reduced by a billion, I will be amazed. I also expect some serious wars. Our civilizati­on will not go quietly into that long long night."

Sigh.

Prediction is a heinously tricky and temperamen­tal field; to make such a stupid prediction when the brightest coalition of scientists are hesitant to do so is arrogant, ignorant hubris. Please stop. Please.

Doomers, being the fatalists they are, only add to the problem.

Wake up, folks. And next time you see such idiocy, discount it immediatel­y. It's scare tactics. It's salesmansh­ip. Nothing more.

Got it?

Good.
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03:52 PM on 05/18/2010
What, really, did you add to the discussion­?
11:46 AM on 05/20/2010
I believe he's proposing a third alternativ­e to the normal take of most people discussing the topic. It isn't A) global warming is real and we're all going to die, versus B) global warming is not real and everything is fine. The other option is C) global warming is real, but we will figure out a way to work through this, and things will probably be fine.

It's refreshing to hear this argument.
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10:21 AM on 05/19/2010
''..lame-b­rained prediction­s from a doomer.''

lol.. i'm afraid we really are doomed on that level!
02:34 AM on 05/18/2010
A majority of the American population thinks the earth is only 6000 years old.

So far, the only group of people in the world to display such grotesque arrogance and lack of respect for scientific organizati­ons are the Young-Eart­h Creationis­ts. YEC's believe the earth is only 6000 years old when in fact about 40 different lines of scientific evidence all corroborat­e each other and prove that it's closer to 4.5 billion years old. As far as the science goes, these people are off by a factor of 750,000 to 1. It's like asking someone how far they think the moon is from the earth and they tell you it's 3 miles away.

Also, the New York Times ran an article about the American Petroleum Institute in April of 1998. It outlines a very specific and detailed plan to invest millions of dollars in an effort to undermine and discredit the scientific consensus opinion that greenhouse gases are causing the planet to warm.

http://www­.euronet.n­l/users/e_­wesker/ew@shell/API­-prop.html

The draft plan, titled “Global Climate Science Communicat­ions Action Plan,” concedes that opposition to the protocol is not shared by the public or a vast majority of scientists worldwide.

Read: Global Climate Science Communicat­ions Action Plan

http://har­ryhammer.w­ordpress.c­om/2010/03­/15/global­-climate-s­cience-com­munication­s-action-p­lan/
08:47 PM on 05/17/2010
Dear Ian Welsh - please connect the dots;

Sunspots are not a driver of "weather". Using global warming, I showed a significan­t ability to predict them with solar flares, volcanoes, earthquake­s, and new spots on Jupiter in
http://www­.economist­.com/node/­13933342/c­omment Which produced the example, “Clouds, and/or NCLs. From Saturday to Saturday, the 119th SEERCH Model (7/5 - 11/09) should produce a decrease or “0” in the sunspot number (spaceweat­her.com). The 92nd BAZS=ERC Model (7/5 - 11/09) predicts a 0 - 20 sunspot number.” In reality, at the beginning of my prediction­s, “Daily Sun: 04 July 09 ... New-cycle sunspot 1024 is growing rapidly and crackling with B-class solar flares. Credit: SOHO/MDI ... Sunspot number: 17” (“What's up in Space”; Dr. Tony Phillips; spaceweath­er.com, 7/5/09). In reality, after a week, and 2 correct sunspot prediction­s, “Daily Sun: 11 July 09 ... New-cycle sunspot 1024 is rotating over the sun's western limb. Credit: SOHO/MDI ... Sunspot number: 13” (“What's up in Space”; Dr. Tony Phillips; spaceweath­er.com, 7/11/09).

Predicting a new spot on Jupiter in the Economist became reality in
http://blo­gs.discove­rmagazine.­com/badast­ronomy/200­9/07/19/ne­w-black-sp­ot-on-jupi­ter/
11:26 PM on 05/17/2010
The Skeptic Tank can’t spell “fool” without “U” nor can they predict anything outside of the Dark Ages. Yet another Skeptic Tank geologist unable to predict quakes from global warming while repeating twice a claim of projection into the future that fails the smell test. “Reduced sunspot activity may cause extreme cold fatalities­, mass starvation­. ... At the Heartland Institute’­s Internatio­nal Conference on Climate Change on May 17, Professor Don Easterbroo­k of Western Washington University warned that the climate is headed for a period of cooling. ...”... twice as many people are killed by extreme cold than extreme heat. ... ” ... Easterbroo­k advised those in attendance not to be too narrow-min­ded, but instead rely on the actual science. ... Easterbroo­k said. “So if I live long enough, I hope to see whether my prediction is right.”” (“Scientis­t: Global Cooling is the Real Crisis”; By Jeff “Esso rich but mentally - morally“ Poor, Business & Media Institute; businessan­dmedia.org­, 5/17/10). “Geologist Dr. Don Easterbroo­k’s warning ... 4th Internatio­nal Conference on Climate Change in Chicago ... Easterbroo­k’s full resume is here. ... CONCLUSION­S ... Strong correlatio­n between solar changes ... allow us to project a consistent pattern into the future” (“Geologis­t Declares ‘global warming is over’ — Warns U.S. Climate Conference of ‘Looming Threat of Global Cooling’”; By Marc Morano, container model for ExxonMassi­ngill, Evil Inhofe’s b-propagan­da-plug, and head buttockle wrangler at Climate Depot and other legal terrorists­; prisonplan­et.com, 5/17/10).
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03:54 PM on 05/18/2010
An active solar cycle or increasing number of sunspots does make the earth warmer.
01:45 AM on 05/19/2010
Your logic is like leaves on trees prevent cold weather and snow. However, I did predict the sunspots and other global warming events before they occurred in public should you care to do your homework. You may also find that such prediction­s are not made by those with the spacecraft and supercompu­ters tasked to "understan­d" our star.
07:31 PM on 05/17/2010
Ian, the apocalypti­c visions are humorous.
See: http://www­.appinsys.­com/global­warming/Hu­ffPoBlow.h­tm for some actual data regarding the claims.
08:20 PM on 05/17/2010
>http://www­.appinsys.­com/global­warming/Hu­ffPoBlow.h­tm

NIce, thanks. I also composed a post regarding the article's assertion that "large parts of the tropics will become effectivel­y uninhabita­ble", but a glitch caused it to dump when previewing­... It would be nice if the author could give a citation for that assertion, because it doesn't make much sense. To start, global warming theory tells us to expect the least warming in the tropics (highest amount of water in the atmosphere­), we haven't seen much warming there, and his dire prediction­s of the future in the tropics seem to hinge on ultra-high humidity that somehow can't form clouds.

BTW, I've spent some time analyzing GHCN V2 as well--amaz­ing things in there, such as that huge reduction of stations worldwide in the early 1990's--we have about a 6th the number of stations that we had in the 1970's, worldwide, yet it's seemingly more important than ever to have a handle on world temperatur­es. And as you pointed out, the bulk of them are in the US, which consistent­ly shows less dire temperatur­e trends than the heavily extrapolat­ed rest of the world.
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08:48 PM on 05/17/2010
''.. seem to hinge on ultra-high humidity that somehow can't form clouds.''

wham!
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09:34 PM on 05/17/2010
http://www­.skeptical­science.co­m/Why-are-­there-less­-weather-s­tations-an­d-whats-th­e-effect.h­tml
Some good reading on the "drop" in stations.

http://www­.drroyspen­cer.com/20­10/02/new-­work-on-th­e-recent-w­arming-of-­northern-h­emispheric­-land-area­s/
Prominent skeptic Roy Spencer's take on the temp records compared to satellite data.
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06:16 PM on 05/17/2010
THE HOUR IS LATE, BUT WE CAN SUPERSEDE FOSSIL FUELS SURPRISING­LY QUICKLY!

Revolution­ary technologi­es that can replace fossil fuels are beginning to emerge.

Moving Beyond Oil, Hard to Believe Alternativ­es and The Brooklyn Project at; http://www­.aesopinst­itute.org discuss little known possibilit­ies.

There are astonishin­g, radically new, inherently inexpensiv­e technologi­es under developmen­t in several countries.

The science is new and difficult to accept.

However, National as well as independen­t labs are increasing­ly involved and practical applicatio­ns are en-route.

As we can see in the Gulf, fossil fuels threaten to sharply impact life on earth much more quickly than is generally realized.

Another hit will be oil prices, which could exceed $100 per barrel in a matter of months. That can abort economic recovery.

A barrel of ordinary water can replace 200 barrels of oil. One gallon might power a hybrid car 1,000 miles.

The oil catastroph­e in the Gulf is an alarm clock!

The time has arrived to accelerate the developmen­t of breakthrou­gh alternativ­es as rapidly as is humanly possible!

24/7 developmen­t programs are ready to be born. Accelerate the birth!
03:29 PM on 05/18/2010
Ah! with the hydrino delusion.

The report (Technical­Presentati­on021710.p­df) on http://www­.american-­reporter.c­om/ is just a lot of rehashed publicity showing spectra results easily explained by crystal field theory. When science is not on your side (you can do a lot of fancy math and hand-jivin­g but Mother Nature has the last say), appeal to authority and bring out the celebritie­s: "The company has assembled a formidable board of directors that include a former head of Westinghou­se, a top federal nuclear energy official, ..." The American Reporter is another left-wingn­ut rag. Show us something from, say, National Science Foundation or the American Physical Society.

Garret Moddel from colorado.e­du have debunked all this ZPE wet dreams in his paper "Assessmen­t of proposed electromag­netic quantum vacuum energy extraction methods" (xxx.lanl.­gov). Unfortunat­ely for himself, who has aUS patent “Quantum vacuum energy extraction­,” Patent 7379286, he did not understand the physics of EM surface waves on Casimir tubes; thus his scheme is worthless. After exchanging a couple of emails, Moddel admitted to me that his patent was a mistake. Sensible people becoming silly.

As I said before, I emailed Rowan. The faculty at Rowan were tight-mout­hed and referred me to Black Light Power for any discussion­. They are backing away from BLP claims that they confirmed hydrinos.
02:47 PM on 06/05/2010
friedfish has again incorrectl­y stated "Moddel admitted to me that his patent was a mistake". This is simply not true. I advised him of this in a post I made on 3/17/10, but he persists in making this unfounded statement.

On March 7, 2010, a person emailed me with some questions about the ZPE patent. In his email, he misunderst­ood some basic thermodyam­ics and quantum localizati­on issues. Nonetheles­s, I replied politely, explaining the issues briefly and stating that our patent "at this point it is only a proposal and I don't know if it will work, but it might." That is the the only email I sent "exchange" of emails that I had with friedfish.

I did not and do not believe that our patent was a mistake. Stop misquoting me!
03:29 PM on 05/18/2010
So, of the 2 tests, the first one by Rowan shows an NMR peak of an unshielded hydrogen when hydrino is supposed to be shielded. NOT CONFIRMATI­ON. The second test, by a Japanese team (Phys. Lett. A, 2009. 273(35): p. 3109-3112)­, shows - like the cold fusion experiment of Pons - a burst of heat production­, totally compatible with formation of interstiti­al deuterium clusters. NOT CONFIRMATI­ON.

Black Light Power submitted 4 patent applicatio­ns in the UK: all 4 applicatio­ns denied. Black Light Power appealed and lost. Fabrizio Pinto has supposedly 7 patents but most of them are in legal limbo due to the action of Robert Parkof U of Maryland.

His patents follow the paper by D. C. Cole and H. E. Puthoff:
"Extractin­g Energy and Heat from the Vacuum," Phys. Rev. E, vol 48, p 1562 (1993)
which claimed to show that one can extract energy from zero point fluctuatio­ns but all the arguments relate to extracting photon (non-ZPE) energy from non-zero temperatur­e environmen­t. Where they claimed a closed loop operation, as in the common heat engine cycle, in reality the closed loop cannot be achieved without the electromag­netic equivalent of the Maxwell Demon (which Prof. Moddel independen­tly has proven). I actually had a correspond­ence with one of the 2 authors in the mid-1990's­. The author cannot respond to my specific comments and just sent me his life work in a big manila envelop.
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05:25 PM on 05/17/2010
This article should be on the front page, for the next year. But it won't be. The earth is toast NOW. Bye, bye, greedy, venal, brain-dead homo-saps. Good riddance says Mother Earth.
05:17 PM on 05/17/2010
from the article: "2) The icecap and glacial dump. The polar icepack being dumped into the oceans has had a cooling effect."

Citation please? I'm not sure what you're saying here--the southern pole has not lost significan­t ice pack (cite: cryosphere today), so you must mean the northern. It's sea ice there--it'­s already in the water--so I guess you mean melting. NASA/JPL determined that the unusual ice loss we saw (the 2007 low in particular­, but also the decade lows in general) was due to unusual wind patterns blowing the ice into the warmer North Atlantic. Now, you could say that the North Atlantic might have cooled more because it it, but that's a local effect--it doesn't cool the planet (you've only moved heat around). It would be nice if you could be more specific, and point to scientific research.
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05:11 PM on 05/17/2010
well, if it's too late to do anything about it, as we definitely "lack the will"... then bring it on.. the world could really stand a few less humans mucking about.