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Jacob Heilbrunn

Jacob Heilbrunn

Posted: January 13, 2010 10:06 AM

Conservatives in Revolt

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When Texas Governor Rick Perry suggested that Texas could secede back in April 2009, he was roundly mocked. But it turns out he was something of a trendsetter on the right. Today's Washington Post reports that Virginia Republicans, flush with their victory over Democrats in Richmond, are intent on introducing a number of bills to go to war against the federal government.

And a number of other Republicans in other states are intent on emulating them by returning to the antebellum credo of states' rights. Now that the first African-American president is in office, the South is once more in revolt -- against what it considers to be a fresh dictatorship in Washington.

According to the Post, one bill lawmakers are considering would state that the federal government cannot regulate as interstate commerce any and all goods created in Virginia. Another would declare it illegal to require individuals to buy health insurance. Gun control is also in their gun sights. Virginia Republicans are even planning to establish a new government agency to counteract federal measures -- curtailing big government by expanding it, in other words.

The significance of these moves is that they demonstrate the extent to which tea party thinking has seeped into the GOP. The newly elected Governor of Virginia, Robert F. McDonnell, a former protege of the television evangelist Pat Robertson, pretended to moderate his views during the election campaign. Now he is supporting the efforts of lawmakers to attack Washington.

Whether moving to the right will revive the fortunes of the GOP is another matter. It could be that independent swing voters are themselves revolted by the emergence of the radical right. But as the Democrats prepare for 2010, it may well become the most ferociously fought midterm election they have ever encountered.

 
 
 
 
 
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TyneCrescent
A Word To The Wise Is Sufficient
07:33 PM on 01/13/2010
Let 'em go! Load up the Nina, Pinta and Santa Maria and be done with it.
06:18 PM on 01/13/2010
As a liberal/progressive, I am beginning to believe that we MUST move toward greater states' rights, if we want this nation to survive intact. (Actually, I'm not fully convinced that even that would be enough, at this stage of the growing split.) Either way, I've got about another decade before I can--possibly--retire, and then it's Goodbye Bible Belt, Hello Pacific Northwest!
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lisakaz2
Da ministero dell'interno di Snark.
06:15 PM on 01/13/2010
Wish they'd go and take the banksters and health insurers with 'em.
06:00 PM on 01/13/2010
Conservatism was founded to conserve the rich monarchy and destroy Democracy and the Enlightenment.

The Democracy must be corrupted, bought, bankrupted and disarmed, so that the rich monarch, multinational companies, can run the world with private mercenary armies.

These dupes have no idea what the conservative leaders agenda is.
05:08 PM on 01/13/2010
I hope the Carolinas are next. SC lead the way the last time. Keep your power dry.
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JShankel
I want my country forward
04:07 PM on 01/13/2010
So, they want to curtail government interference in private life by making it illegal to buy health insurance.

Yeah, I'd like to see the prosecutions on that. "Mr. Johnson, you are under arrest for the illegal purchasing of health insurance. Should you need an attorney, well, tough because it's also illegal to hire attorneys."
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kcwookie
Well behaved workers seldom prosper.
03:49 PM on 01/13/2010
Mock Gov. Perry? Heck no...encourage him. I think we ought to apologize for the Mexican war and give Texas back. The settlers went down there for free land, but didn't want to abide by the laws of the land, sound familiar? Conservatives haven't changed. If you're giving to them they're happy to accept. If you want something out of them, forget it.
03:26 PM on 01/13/2010
Why don't we just return to the Articles of Confederation? Let the Federal Government only serve to manage a national military and to adjudicate disputes among the states. That way the liberal loons can live in a liberal utopia and the rest of us can choose a state that fits our own ideology and values. Seems like a win-win for everyone.
03:56 PM on 01/13/2010
As the word "return" would suggest, we tried the Articles of Confederation. Seems that the experiment was rejected right quick. I suppose we could apply for readmission to the commonwealth - don't know whether they'd take us back at this point ...
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JShankel
I want my country forward
04:15 PM on 01/13/2010
Hey, fine with me. Us blue staters are tired of you guys taking all that federal assistance and then whining about it like a bunch of crybabies.

http://www.bradblog.com/Images/RedStateWelfareQueens.jpg
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kyeshinka
02:22 PM on 01/13/2010
Everyone complains about the federal government unless of course they benefit, like old retired military officers complaining about young mothers on food stamps. I remember Michael Moore's TV nation episode where he's in suburban Atlanta, and nobody knew who he was. He rides into town and excites the crowd by saying, "Get the government out of our lives!" Everyone cheered. "Get the government out our education." More cheering. Then finally, "Get the government out of Marietta!" The cheering stopped.
06:08 PM on 01/13/2010
LOL

(For those who don't know, Marietta's biggest employer is Lockheed-Martin, where the $140,000,000+ F-22 was being developed and built. Oh well, they still have the C-5 and C-130J cargo planes, as well as the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.)
02:20 PM on 01/13/2010
I think people who speak of succession have no idea what they are getting themselves into. I mean take Texas: If Texas actually thinks it will be better off having Mexico to the South, The United States to the east, west, and north, and an economy that does not incorporate the Federal economy of the US, not to mention it's military resources, it's crazy. Plain Frickin' crazy. Do you guys really think we will let you keep US nukes, submarines, battlegroups, and tanks? No, we won't. You'd become a 3rd world nation in a matter of months. That goes for almost any state in the union, save California (so long as it got its financial house in order).
03:54 PM on 01/13/2010
I agree with you,Discomustachio, except that as a resident of CA can tell you getting our financial house in order w/out the fed. gov't. is impossible. It's already impossible w/ the fed. govt.
DrPaulProteus
Welcome to the Occupation
02:14 PM on 01/13/2010
"When Texas Governor Rick Perry suggested that Texas could secede back in April 2009, he was roundly mocked."

I didn't mock him, I encouraged him.

Seriously though, I have to wonder if we'd be better off as a collection of 5 or 6 smaller countries.
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WilliamBradford
Veritas vos Liberabit
02:31 PM on 01/13/2010
The problem with this idea is that, despite the rantings of the elitists on the Left, the divisions in our country have nothing to do with the region or state that we live in. The "red" and "blue" are intermingled in almost every area of the country. If you look at voting results, or any other polling, by county, you will see this reality.
03:59 PM on 01/13/2010
I would point out that it is the same notion of geographical separateness that inspires the secessionist movements, whether statewide or the county-wide secession movements we saw in WA during the 90s. It ain't just the left that wants to divide things up, y'know.
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SolarPowerGuy
Ph.D., Immunology; Solar power @ home; Green Party
04:26 PM on 01/13/2010
The geographic divisions between the two dominant political camps are there: they are just not neatly aligned with STATE boundaries. Democratic voters dominate in cities, and Republicans in rural areas. See for yourself:

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2008/

Geography is not the whole story, to be sure. There are areas like the Upper Midwest where the legacy of a century-old progressive populism still resonates with some people. And every city has its avaricious, Republican upper crust.

Speaking personally, I think that if liberally-minded people would take a fresh interest in the profession of agriculture, there would soon be many rural counties that voted Blue. That would create ideal conditions for a parting of the ways between Blues and Reds. And I would favor it. Let the Teabaggers go.
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opines
01:23 PM on 01/13/2010
In 1833 Samuel Taylor Coleridge, English poet, philosopher, seer, wrote:

"Can there ever be any thorough national fusion of the Northern and Southern States? I think not. In fact the Union will be shaken almost to dislocation whenever a serious question between the States arises. The American union has no center, and it's impossible now to make one...But I look upon the States...to be used , by-and-by, in the composition of two or three governments."

Now, the 'house divided', that was held together by the Civil War'', is again being shaken almost to dislocation. The Red State/Blue State divide has brought Congress to a standstill. Core philosophical differences run so deeply, they cannot be bridged.. Secession, roughly along the extended Civil War lines, may yet prove to be the best solution available.

The Red State, teabagger opposition to President Obama will grow in intensity if the economy worsens and with it, secession will emerge as a reasonable option.
01:12 PM on 01/13/2010
How about Vermont, it seems as if the Progressives want to do the same...
01:09 PM on 01/13/2010
The Federal Government is "supreme" over the States in certain areas. That makes sense. I suppose there should be more, rather than living in a 21st century world with 50 States, Commonwealths and Territories having the right to set different standards in transportation, vehicle safety , environmental quality, etc. That doesn't make either side right or wrong, rather it comes down to individual issues. Reasonable people can differ without being unpatriotic or neo-Nazis or left-wing ideologues.

I’ve got to address the matter of "succession". We've been raised with the history written by the winner of the Civil War (assuming anybody 'won' that debacle). But the South had a good, legal argument that had they pursued it in the Supreme Court, they might not have needed to storm Ft Sumter. The gist of it was: "We just broke from one despot and aren't about to sign a document committing ourselves to another government if they became despotic and monarchical -- if we didn't have the right to withdraw.”

Of course, the South wanted to continue expansion of Slavery into the new territories under a claim of "property rights" and freedom expressed in the Constitution and revolutionary fervor. But the essence of their legal claim – well; say good-bye to the South (and all the headaches they've caused). On the other hand, I live in Texas now and don't want to be in a 21st Century Confederacy with some of those very tightly wrapped, can't talk to religious Conservatives,
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Nosybear
Liar, damned liar and statistician
12:56 PM on 01/13/2010
Is there any way we can encourage these states to secede?