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Jacob Heilbrunn

Jacob Heilbrunn

Posted February 27, 2009 | 04:19 PM (EST)

Democrats Should Support Obama's Troop Plan


Leading Democrats such as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate majority leader Harry Reid are raising some reservations about President Obama's plan to leave up to 50,000 troops in Iraq.
Pelosi told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow: "I don't know what the justification is for 50,000, a presence of 50,000 troops in Iraq... I do think that there's a need for some."

Democrats should stop bickering and rally around Obama by supporting his troop plan. If Iraq remains or becomes even more stable in 2010, then Obama will almost surely draw down troops even more quickly than he's currently announcing. The 50,000 number is obviously a preventive measure, to make sure that the situation in Iraq doesn't deteriorate into factional violence. Imagine the criticism Obama would come under if Iraq is in a lot worse shape a year from now. A "Who Lost Iraq" debate would erupt, with the GOP claiming that cowardly Democratic policies had led directly to defeat.

Consistent with his pragmatic bent, Obama has struck out a middle course, knowing that in 2011 all U.S. combat troops are obligated to depart Iraq. The entire sordid Iraq mess is coming to an end. The Iraq War will rapidly fade from American consciousness, though the damage it has done to that country, including creating millions of refugees living in Syria, Jordan and elsewhere, will not. If Democrats want to worry about something, it shouldn't be Iraq, but Afghanistan and Pakistan, which pose a mortal threat to Obama's presidency.

Leading Democrats such as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate majority leader Harry Reid are raising some reservations about President Obama's plan to leave up to 50,000 troops in Iraq. Pelosi told ...
Leading Democrats such as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate majority leader Harry Reid are raising some reservations about President Obama's plan to leave up to 50,000 troops in Iraq. Pelosi told ...
 
 
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09:01 PM on 03/04/2009
One of the very few places I actually agreed with Obama before the election; and now I'm stuck with 4 more years....

Can we finally vote for change in 2012?
03:59 PM on 03/04/2009
Any time you need 50,000 troops to protect your embassy against the local people, you are OCCUPYING that country. And those are COMBAT troops, no matter what you call them. We should get the heck out of Iraq until such time as a legitimately homegrown Iraqi government - not some puppet of ours - invites us back.
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10:44 AM on 03/04/2009
Leaving soldiers in Iraq would, much like most Heilbrunn posts, be the height of folly.
02:54 AM on 03/04/2009
All politicians are the same. Empty promises. We'll be mired in the middle east forever. Maybe we should have went with McCain's 100 years.
06:00 PM on 03/03/2009
Nonsense. We heard about our obligation to support Bush in whatever he does for the last 8 years. It is wrong and immoral to support Obama's 50K residual force and the Afghan surge if one does not believe in it.
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marignymitch
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04:15 PM on 03/01/2009
Last week we learned from the Obama administration that we're not leaving Iraq and that it wants to maintain the aparatus of the police state. I see no reason to support either; they're both illegal.
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JimR
08:05 AM on 03/02/2009
Under Obama's plan, all troops would be out by the end of 2011.
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marignymitch
E pluribus unum percent
03:53 PM on 03/03/2009
No. He didn't say that. He said that 50,000 will remain. With no exit plan. Kindly reread speech.
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leftLibertarian
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03:50 PM on 03/01/2009
There is no middle course in an illegal war. Have you heard? The Casus belli, that Iraq had WMD has been show to be false.
11:58 PM on 02/28/2009
It may not be so simple as just pulling everything out. I was in Vietnam in the late 60s into the early 70s when the pulling out began. In those days, they were discharging people in huge numbers. But President Obama wants to increase the size of the Army and Marines. Therefore he won't likely be giving early discharges. This raises complications regarding where these people will go, whether back to a U.S. installation, or another installation in some other country.

Plus, a draw-down of forces can be an extremely complex operation. You can't just load everything up and leave. There are huge amounts of equipment that have to be disposed of, either given over to the Iraqis (as we did in Vietnam) or packed and shipped home. It takes enormous amounts of time, and trained personnel.

Knowing what I know about military things after 21 years in the Army, I think that the timetable the President has decided on is probably very reasonable. Also, leaving 50k or so forces in place is not a bad thing. We've had around that number in Korea and Japan for over a half-century. They will have a stabilizing influence vis-a-vis Iran. The President is making pragmatic decisions.
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jadeba
12:39 PM on 03/01/2009
Agree completely. Saw Robin Wright on Maher the other night and she asserted that the worst thing that could possibly happen on the global scene, would be a failed state Afghanistan. Then we would be consigned to unending war. Pres. O is a pragmatist. He does not seek Jeffersonian democracy, he seeks stability.

Like most super intelligent people, he is able to take in conflicting points of view and make a decision that considers each. It would have been easier and simpler and politically expedient to just follow his original plan - he could have, but, would it ultimately have been the correct course of action? I want what's right, not what's politically expedient. This will be harder on our military personnel - I wish it were not so.

I have high hopes for our president, but I am a pragmatist, too.
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03:51 PM on 03/01/2009
Ask the Russians about Afghanistan. A losing situation mate.
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LizM
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10:12 PM on 02/28/2009
Let's remember that Speaker Pelosi and Leader Reid are the same two democrats who were going around saying things like there is no plan for Iraq mere months before the Biden strategy for promoting a sustainable political settlement in Iraq based on federalism passed Congress with the support of an incredible and unprecedented majority of Republicans and Democrats, in both houses.

The Obama/Biden Iraq strategy is a sound one, even if that is lost on the Democratic leadership in Congress.
12:12 PM on 02/28/2009
We invaded a sovereign nation, then occupied it for years, based on lies. So, why would Obama want to deceive Americans by talking about withdrawing with honor, legitimizing an illegal SOFA, acting as if we are not occupiers? Bring the troops home, and bring them home now.
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03:51 PM on 03/01/2009
Yes.
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JimR
08:07 AM on 03/02/2009
Bringing the troops home in an orderly, safe way takes time. They can't all leave at the same time, taking all the equipment with them. A safe, orderly withdrawal, according to military experts, will take more than a year.
ThePeacemakers
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12:08 PM on 02/28/2009
The US now has four branches of government: Executive, Legislative, Judicial and Military-Industrial (oil companies are a part of this).

So the other three branches can profess a desire for stability in Iraq, the Middle East in general.

But that fourth branch benefits from keeping the region destabilized. It is the way to control the resources of the region. Divide and conquer.
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11:03 AM on 03/04/2009
And make LOTS of money for the companies supplying and supporting them.... including Blackwater.
10:38 AM on 02/28/2009
I do not understand how this is the middle ground? If the Iraqies need protection they should hire XE and pay those criminal bastards to guard them. Meanwhile US troops should be heading home tomorrow.
12:58 AM on 02/28/2009
Did you hear Obama today in an interview with Jim Lehrer? You'd have sworn he was channeling Bush.

MR. LEHRER: You’re not the least bit uneasy over the fact as John McCain and John Boehner, the Republican leader of the House, have praised your plan while the Democrats are criticizing it?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: You know, I don’t — I don’t make these decisions based on polls or popularity. I make the decisions based on what I think is best. This is consistent with what I said during the campaign. The fact — if anything I think people should be interested in the fact that there’s been a movement in the direction of what I thought was going to be the right plan in the first place.

http://blogs.reuters.com/frontrow/2009/02/27/everything-old-is-new-again/
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12:01 AM on 02/28/2009
I'm just glad that Obama is continuing the policies of the Bush administration. Once the Boy Wonder saw what the reality was, he decided not to destroy the recent progress and the promise of a second democratic state in the ME.

I'll give him credit when it's due him.
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Shavano
09:49 PM on 02/27/2009
I agree. I want out of Iraq, but I trust the President and he sure knows a he!! of a lot more than the rest of us about the intricacies of getting out. As long as he continues to be open, transparent and thoughtful in his actions, I'll continue to support him. If he ever does a Bush, or even gets close then it's time to reconsider.

On the other hand, I want Bush and his cronies prosecuted for this catastrophe!