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Jacob Heilbrunn

Jacob Heilbrunn

Posted: December 10, 2009 09:27 AM

Invictus: Obama's Liberal Warrior Speech in Oslo

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President Obama's speech today accepting the Nobel Peace Prize confirmed his transformation from dove into liberal warrior. For all his undoubted abilities to win friends and influence people, Obama faced an improbable task today: explaining to Europeans, who have experienced centuries of warfare and want no more of it, why the recipient of the peace prize is going off to war. Obama maintained that peace can depend upon war, which he did by invoking just war theory (itself a European export to the rest of the globe) and the somewhat tattered banner of humanitarian warfare. He may never have shouted invictus to his audience, but his basic message was that the liberal West can prevail in the struggle against intolerance and malignity abroad.

Obama's rhetorical strategy was shrewd. He didn't promise to have all the answers. Instead, as is his penchant, he deprecated his own accomplishments -- "slight" -- holding out the promise of bigger and better things in the future. But like a doctor promising renewed health through surgery, he indicated that to get there will require some painful measures.

But will high theory produce actual results in the barren landscape of Afghanistan, denuded by successive waves of invaders and barbaric regimes? Obama may invoke just war theory justly, but whether peace and justice and prevail is another matter. The Nobel Prize speech could prove the high-water mark of his presidency should the Afghan venture go belly-up.

For now, Obama, as a new New York Times/CBS News poll indicates, cannot rely on Democrats for much support on Afghanistan. Instead, it's Republicans who are backing him up. But absent real progress, this cannot last. Democrats will abandon the effort within the next year should Obama be unable to show any signs of real progress, not to mention his NATO allies, who are already loath to increase their troop commitments.

This is not the presidency that Obama envisioned when he began campaigning for office. He promised to change America. But so far he is the one who has changed the most. His Oslo speech is thus the latest installment in the education of Barack Obama.

 
 
 
 
 
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IAM4CLINTON
11:54 PM on 12/11/2009
Jacob- you are so right- being the POTUS is very different than running to be President- especially in the primary. Barack Obama excited a lot of my fellow Democrats, especially the barely legal ones, that he will be the peace nick that will end all wars, close down Guantanamo, and yes, make us all citizens of the world ! Some of us still stuck to our loyalty to the Democratic party and voted for Obama.
Being President has made him grow up- Hillary was right in the primary debates after all- and she is there with him as a grownup in the cabinet- Hillary has indefatigable energy,maturity and class in serving this President. What a facade Obama created in the primary- I voted for him and want him to succeed- but he is not giving me ANY reason to support him given his ambivalence on health care and also in announcing a withdrawal date from Afghanistan even before we get there. Osama should be destroyed and those Islamic terrorists deserve no sympathy and no timeliness.
11:40 AM on 12/11/2009
If Afghanistan is going to be linked to the just war theory, can't our nation remove the ability of private corporations to profit from it? How is it moral for anyone to become richer from our participation?

" I honestly believe private contractors, mercenaries, profiteers — whatever you call them — are one of the most destructive elements in the indefinite foreign military presence in Afghanistan today. Aside from the criminal behavior, the waste and the fraud and the abuse (all well-documented), as “strategic communications” they are a disaster. They shame us, they breed mistrust and fear among the people we supposedly there to help and most importantly, they broadcast with a bullhorn that the bottom line is more valued than honor, respect, ethics or responsibility (kind of like our society back home!) And we are all at fault for letting it happen."

"Allegations of misconduct and corruption on this level go way back — Dyncorp was accused of pimping out skinny, war ravaged girls back in Bosnia. No one seems to care. They just got another contract worth up to $7.5 billion in Afghanistan. They have contracts elsewhere in the expanding U.S footprint, including Africa."

"As for President Obama, who pledged during his campaign to review the troubling inflation of private contracting and to hold contractors accountable — crickets."

All quotes from -
http://www.amconmag.com/blog/2009/09/17/the-business-of-war-and-profit-arent-we-proud/
09:37 AM on 12/11/2009
Let's face it, like most, or even all politicians, Obama is a sell out. I don't think he deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. The Taliban is not Hitler, evil as they are, and this is another Viet Nam wheather the war mongers want to admit it or not. We keep killing and being killed, and they keep coming, there will be no end to this war, and we will be so broke we will eventually have to pull out. Thousands more will be dead and we won't be any further ahead. We're dealing with religious fanatics here, who aren't going to come to our side and would rather keep fighting, no matter what the odds. By sending in more troops, we're only kicking the skunk and making him MAD. Just think the good we could do if we took that million dollars per soldier and built schools and hospitals! Just imagine if it were a law that elected officials were made to keep their campaign promises---JUST IMAGINE!
09:10 AM on 12/11/2009
Overall it was not a bad speech. However I don't like when he goes into his apology mode. He and the country have nothing to apologize for on this topic. All the World Wars were started in Europe, they should apologize to us. Human nature is human nature there will always be wars. Our involvement in war has been to free people, most of which were started elsewhere and we were dragged into. No apologies are needed, I hate when he does it.
08:37 PM on 12/10/2009
If Obama had actually read any of the books on Vietnam that he says he kept by his bed (for light reading before sleep?), he would have learned that Johnson was following the advice of a group of "wise" men (including Dean Acheson, etc) who were at heart neo-colonialists. This war has no purpose and no chance of success, even in those terms: it is being continued because all these men have persuaded Obama that he cannot afford to "fail". But in fact the Taliban were our "allies" 20 years ago, and if we left now, they would be more than happy to dispose of Al Qaeda, which we can't do; they could probably "finish the job" (Bush-Obama) in six months. After all, from their point of view, Al Qaeda is bad for business.
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eileenflemingWAWA
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
08:23 PM on 12/10/2009
Obama cited the first heresy of Christianity in his Nobel speech when he cited the concept of a 'just war' which "suggesting that war is justified."

The first and greatest heresy in the Christian faith occurred in the third century when Augustine penned the "Just War Theory" which gave the church's OK to violence perpetuated by the empire and "our problems stem from our acceptance of this filthy, rotten system."-Dorothy Day

Clement, Tertillian, Polycarp and every other early Church Father taught that violence was a contradiction of what Christ was about, but as Gandhi commented, "Everyone but Christians understands that Jesus was nonviolent."

Christians were not a part of the military until the third century, when Emperor Constantine instituted Christianity as the State's religion and required all soldiers to be baptized, but "How can you kill people, when it is written in God’s commandment: ‘Thou shall not murder’?"– Leo Tolstoy

Excerpted from December 11, 2009: http://www.wearewideawake.org/

President Obama's Nobel Speech, Just Wars and just Stop It!
09:03 PM on 12/10/2009
Peace and blessings to someone who has the courage to speak the truth. President Obama is an ethical fraud.
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11:03 PM on 12/10/2009
Well said. And to equate WWII with the Taliban is unacceptable.
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lainey
Always remember Troy Davis.
08:04 PM on 12/10/2009
Our President's speech today made me very proud. Because he campaigned on believing that Afghanistan was the war we should be waging, it should be no surprise to anyone that he believes it to be a "just" one. As he said in his speech against the Iraq war " I am not opposed to all wars, I am opposed to dumb ones." Afghanistan is not a "new war" or one he initiated, he inherited it. There is no way to put it to a halt and it is one that has been neglected over the years. His deliberations and thoughtful analysis makes me believe that his intentions are to find the al-Quieda operatives who killed 3,000 Americans and I think that is important. What we find in the Taliban and al-Queda is true terror to not only Americans, but to the Afghan people especially. We all wished we had intervened in Rwanda and I wish we would take a stronger stance on Darfur, and therefore, I can understand his position. One can be for peace while waging war, for sometimes war is the only way to achieve stability; Kosovo and the Balkans are examples. I wish it were not so, but it is. I am proud of my President. I pray for our troops and hope they return home soon.
08:22 PM on 12/10/2009
Oh, yeah, right, we're gonna save the world. But we can't even take care of our own people at home.
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MadAs
Tuned-in science editor
08:44 PM on 12/10/2009
Wish I too felt proud, but Lainey, just saying there is an enemy we have to bring down because it is a threat to the US cuts mustard even less now than when Bush furrowed his brow and insisted we had to fend off the WMD "over there so we don't hav'ta fight 'em over here."

We all have to get over our naive gullibility and start to work together to bring back honesty, credibility, and trust back and replace our myopic and self-absorbed politicians with representation we can all take pride in.
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Johnathan Vrozos
afficianado of world
07:59 PM on 12/10/2009
Johnathan Vrozos was surprised that the Nobel Peace Prize for peace was given to President Barack Obama.
He is the worlds "Emperor" of war, controlling the greatest army and arsenal known to mankind and involved in 2 wars that we know of.
Strange recipient for this honor..
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truthglow
07:47 PM on 12/10/2009
This guy is no liberal. I am one, and I disavow him to the hilt. The Europeans are right, and they are probably infuriated that he was given that award. What he is, in my eyes, is an extraordinary opportunist, and this is coming from one who was once obsessed with his winning. He is now doing what no Republican could ever have done, and that is spliting the Democratic Party into two!
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jeffbwillis
07:30 PM on 12/10/2009
He definitely made an impression with his defense of resorting to the use of arms. It might not have boded well with many in the audience. The second part of the speech was routine. Overall, I give him a "B."
07:53 PM on 12/10/2009
Please view Barak Obama handling of Cuba just in case you want to compare him with Bush. He reached out and making sure we can travel to Cuba instead of causing more uneeded problems. It is about time and something NO republican would do.
08:24 PM on 12/10/2009
He may have made an impression with you, but without exception his European audience was very, very unhappy. You could see it on their faces.
07:29 PM on 12/10/2009
The dumbest thing Barack Obama did was run to succeed George W. Bush.
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abluevoice
07:29 PM on 12/10/2009
It was a brilliant speech. and it addressed directly all the anti-Obama Huff Post commentators and their denial of the "evil" in radical Islam that justifys any thing they do, even killing "pregnant women" and blowing up innocents as justified by their distorted interpretation of the divine. He said flat out you cannot negotiate with these extremists no matter how much we desire peace.
09:04 PM on 12/10/2009
ditto.
09:07 PM on 12/10/2009
And what about the innocents slaughtered by United States predator drones? Or ae those women and children to not be counted. There is plenty of innocent blood shed by President Obama's hands.
06:19 AM on 12/11/2009
i agree with you, but my thoughts are that as he got to the oval office, and received his first intelligence briefing earlier this year, there must have been something there that caused him to move to this position. the intelligence reports and analysis that he based his decision on would have come from people on the ground.

the war is stupid, and i firmly believe (based on MY knowledge and understanding) that we should get out. but I'm not privy to what he knows, and what he knows may change my mind on what we should be doing in Afghanistan.

the big issue is whether presidents get fed reports from the military that always make the case for more war (which I wouldn't be surprised if they did). if so, then i wouldn't know how to solve that. if the military is indeed running the show behind closed doors, then god help us all.
07:15 PM on 12/10/2009
Obama’s speech is an updated rehash of Woodrow Wilson’s self-righteous hubris.
It is no new direction, but a familiar one.

“The world must be made safe for democracy. Its peace must be planted upon the tested foundations of political liberty. We have no selfish ends to serve. We desire no conquest, no dominion. We seek no indemnities for ourselves, no material compensation for the sacrifices we shall freely make.”
- W. Wilson

Equally, Obama portrays US Mideast involvement as unconnected to geopolitics, pipelines, petrodollars, or resource dominance. His actions belie his words. More militarism, more wars, permanent bases for occupation. Less justice by a massive transfer of wealth to an international financial and warmaking elite.

He has chosen to appeal to national chauvinism.
His words attempt to hide a pretension to world leadership (based on military might), and an assumed right thereby, to establish ‘peace’ and develop ‘civilization’, conveniently according to US political and economic interests. Push come to shove, it is not the well-being of others that is paramount, but the well-being of the ruling US leadership.

"I believe if we had, and would, keep our dirty, bloody, dollar-crooked fingers out of the business of these nations so full of depressed, exploited people, they will arrive at a solution of their own.”
- --General David Shoup, former Marine Corps Commandant
07:24 PM on 12/10/2009
Amen and God Bless you for your service.
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ConcernedCitizen78
07:26 PM on 12/10/2009
And Wilson was another Nobel Peace Prize winner! Same LOFTY WORDS, LOWLY ACTIONS!
06:51 PM on 12/10/2009
President Obama was never a "dove." While I was and remain supportive of him, both his campaign policy statements and his actions as president regarding the military and Afghanistan in particular, were always a source of great concern. I truly believe that those who are viewing his deeply troubling decision to escalate as some serious departure from the dove he supposedly was were simply not paying attention or chose to project their own hopes and dreams on him. I remain hopeful that if all of us who helped get him elected put the type of pressure on him that we have a responsibility to exert, he will fulfill his own potential to be a transformative president. If we either believe that any critique from the left is counterproductive or fail to mobilize with the same enthusiasm we did during the campaign--this time to hold Obama accountable to his professed values/objectives--than we hold equal blame for the failures of this presidency.
06:30 PM on 12/10/2009
Obama will learn the lesson that Presidents learn when they listen to Generals and that is; never listen to Generals. They have a vested interest in war and will always recommend war as a solution. When all the dust has cleared and victory has not been declared they will always say ,if we just had more time or more troops we would have won . Over and over again.
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truthglow
07:50 PM on 12/10/2009
AMEN!!!