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Jacob Heilbrunn

Jacob Heilbrunn

Posted: August 23, 2008 03:37 PM

Joe Biden: Obama's Cheney?


Barack Obama's selection of Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Joseph Biden doesn't simply shore up his foreign policy credentials, as Steve Clemons notes. It may also setup a showdown over foreign policy in an Obama administration. Like George W. Bush, Obama has little foreign policy experience, though he has proven that he has the right instincts, vigorously opposing the Iraq War, even as a host of other Democrats, including Hillary Clinton and John Edwards, jumped onto the Bush war bandwagon.

But Biden has several decades of experience dealing with foreign leaders and a seasoned staff that he would bring with him to an Obama administration. It could be that vice-president Dick Cheney serves as his model. Biden might even be tempted to set up his own parallel foreign policy establishment, as did Cheney -- to the detriment of the Bush administration. Having witnessed the catastrophic consequences of Cheney's power-grab, however, Biden may well avoid going down that road. Nevertheless, Biden will clearly be a powerful figure in an Obama administration, focused on foreign policy. The coming months will show how smoothly Biden works with the other foreign policy figures in Obama's orbit, including former national security advisor Anthony Lake and former State Department official Susan Rice. Lake is outwardly genteel, but an experienced infighter who may be seeking to redeem his reputation from the hammering that the Clinton administration took early on over its failure to end the conflict in Bosnia. Biden, on the other hand, will be thirsting for the chance to put his stamp on foreign policy.

The conventional wisdom is that Obama made a safe choice with Biden. It's wrong. It was a bold one that will further test his ability to coordinate his campaign effectively--something he has done brilliantly so far.

Barack Obama's selection of Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Joseph Biden doesn't simply shore up his foreign policy credentials, as Steve Clemons notes. It may also setup a showdown over foreign pol...
Barack Obama's selection of Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Joseph Biden doesn't simply shore up his foreign policy credentials, as Steve Clemons notes. It may also setup a showdown over foreign pol...
 
 
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01:02 PM on 08/25/2008
Great blog!

This article is not comparing Biden's style to Cheney or Obama's values to Bush, but rather, it's showing that the Democrats can use a similar STRATEGIC MODEL for social change that Bush/Cheney used. And, you've got to admit, that model WORKED. As much as I can't stand Dubya, I've got to give him this...his administration has CHANGED things. Not the way I'd like them to be changed, of course, but things are CHANGED.

Now, it's Obama's turn to come in and change things for the better good.

As soon as I learned that Biden was the pick, I knew that Obama was 1,000% serious about CHANGING things. His change shows us that he's not just talk, but action. Picking Biden shows us that Obama thinks like this: Obama will be the visionary, leader, and decision maker, and Biden will the workhorse consultant who knows the detailed nitty-gritty of how the current system works. Biden will make Obama's vision happen.

This is a similar approach to the one that Bush/Cheney used. It's not a commentary about Obama's/Biden's values or ethics... It's just a commentary about one's strategy to move political institutions.
01:21 PM on 08/25/2008
SeattleGator

This article is not comparing Biden's style to Cheney or Obama's values to Bush, but rather, it's showing that the Democrats can use a similar STRATEGIC MODEL for social change that Bush/Cheney used. And, you've got to admit, that model WORKED. As much as I can't stand Dubya, I've got to give him this...his administration has CHANGED things. Not the way I'd like them to be changed, of course, but things are CHANGED.

So much for Robert Novak's cherished 'Do nothing Conservative Governance'.
10:44 AM on 08/25/2008
Insulting the next Vice President by comparing him to Dick Cheney? Joe Biden might just take you out for suggesting such a thing! Just like all of us, Joe certainly has issues, but Darth Vaderitis isn't one of them.
08:28 AM on 08/25/2008
Biden's abilities and experience, will assist in getting Obama's ideas sailing through Congress. Experience, in and of itself, cannot create ideas, for one either has ideas or they do not. Experience that is sincere, but wrong, will help only a few. Government at the highest levels, is to be concerned about the general population at large, not just a single business entity, or group. For example, employees work, because an income is usually required, to live. A government that focuses lots of energy and time on assisting corporations, at the expense of employees, devalues and dehumanizes them. The next adminstration, may choose to ensconce itself with the backbone of society, working-class employees. It's not required, but a choice, to stand behind a CEO, who will earn a 1000% bonus, while the employees are in line for a 10% paycut, to reduce costs, let's be frank, and face it!!
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04:03 AM on 08/25/2008
Hardly! Obama has intelligence and uses it wisely. He can speak in meaningful dialogue. He knows how to pronounce 'nuclear'. He reads, is thoughtful and has original ideas. Biden will only add to this, not usurp it or override what is not there.
01:42 AM on 08/25/2008
To suggest that "It could be that vice-president Dick Cheney serves as his model. " to Biden is just plain silly. Cheney is oil man all the way and has only Haliburton, Bush family and other oil executives in mind when making foreign policy. Biden might be Washington material but with a whole different agenda, you are comparing apples and oranges. We need to get rid of Lieberman, for him to have any type of "Democrate" his title is a joke. He has a website www.JohnMcCain/lieberman and the website is there when you plug in Joe Biden.
01:29 AM on 08/25/2008
Obama doesn't need a Cheney. He's extremely well read and intellectually curious. I have no doubt Obama's foreign policy will be his.
01:08 AM on 08/25/2008
Does that mean that
Romney or Pawlently is McCain's Quayle or Agnew.
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nikto
12:22 AM on 08/25/2008
Oh please.

2 very big problems with this brilliant theory:

1.Biden is no Dick Cheney.

2.Obama is no Dubya.

And I say, thank God!
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whatsthatsound
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05:07 AM on 08/25/2008
Completely agree. Any analogy but that one!
Fremon
Retired in Palm Desert CA
12:40 PM on 08/25/2008
I agree with the agreements.
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drkazmd65
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10:07 AM on 08/25/2008
Ditto nikto,... and can I have a Hallelujah!
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lafrance
11:05 PM on 08/24/2008
I thought of this except there are a couple things that make me not mind it. For one, Obama is a curious man who is always learning and is a strong man who doesn't beat his chest or show off to prove his strength.
and he knows his own mind and what he will or won't put up with. I think that one reason he did not chose Hillary. He wasn't willing to be a proxy president while Bill muscled in and tried to take over. I think Obama did not want any power grabs or power struggles.
I am not a naive person but, Biden has shown himself to be man with a big heart who wants to do good things and help people. He is not a man who would amass power and glory for self. After all these years in the senate he is the poorest senator. That is because he did not cash in for his own glory.
I think he would do right by Obama and would work as a team rather then as a shadow government. he would respect Obama and would work for the common good.
He would use his foreign policy and experience to push diplomacy and a better world.
He also would work with Obama to build a strong country again that is for the good of the people and clean up the bush mess.
These two are the anti Bush and Cheney.
02:13 AM on 08/25/2008
I'm down with that! This is as good as I could have hoped for and who better for Obama to turn to for wisdom that comes from experience and having an analytical mind? This shows Obama is going to bring in and seek advice from people who will focus on we the people and not the corporate and special interest with deep pockets. Obama's first important decision and I give him an A for Biden.
10:04 AM on 08/25/2008
"This shows Obama is going to bring in and seek advice from people who will focus on we the people and not the corporate and special interest with deep pockets."

Uh, wrong. Just for STARTERS. Richard Holbrooke, Madeleine Albright and Zbigniew Brzezinski - and now JB. Not to mention the corporate nuts he IS beholden to.

Are we/YOU naive?

Believe this. The EMPIRE building will continue no matter who is elected. Period.

An empire in decline (underlined), such as the USA, is a VERY dangerous animal. They WILL strike out at anyone, at anytime for no reason other than ........... natural resources, $'s and/or desperation.
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HamletsMill
All Myth is Astronomy
05:04 AM on 08/25/2008
Very fine post. These are certainly our deepest hopes.
10:45 PM on 08/24/2008
The pundits are absolutely right. Biden reinforces the "CHANGE" image.

A guy who first entered the Senate when Nissan was still Datsun, when Bill Gates was in high school, when new "Lucy" episodes were still on weekly TV, and when the Apollo missions were still heading to the moon -- that guy represents "CHANGE".

(Gimme a break. The year was 1972!)

My God. In '72, Reagan was governor of California, and Ahh-nold was just starting to pump iron back in Austria. And most Americans had never heard of ... Jimmy Carter.

That's a long, damn time ago.

I'm an Obama backer ... but for pity's sake ... stop trying to sell Joe Biden as something new, fresh, different, and CHANGING. He's no more a change agent in 2008 than LBJ would be ...who, by the way, was still living back when Biden won his first Senate seat.

I pray this pick won't come back to hurt Obama.
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HamletsMill
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05:15 AM on 08/25/2008
Have you ever played on a football team or been in a war commanding a military unit? Sometimes you have to show one thing to be able to do another. It's called tactics and strategy. It is something we have not seen in the United States for a very, very, very long time. It is called "game". Sometimes you have to disguise the true playbook for many weeks in the NFL before you unveil the real red zone plays you will need in December. Maybe you should take up chess? Maybe everyone in the U.S. should now after 8 years of dumbed down Bushco hell. Worst military leaders in the history of the United States. We all have to take up chess now to get some game going in our daily functioning after the W effect on the national soul. I swear everyone's IQ has gone down 35 points over the last eight years. It is like the contact brain cell impairment of standing in the check out line at Wal-Mart 24/7.
Fremon
Retired in Palm Desert CA
12:51 PM on 08/25/2008
Thank you, thank you. I have been scratching my head since the announcement of Biden to make the same points you made so well. We need to become a nation of chess playing individuals who have an endgame while not disclosing our cards up front. And, to appreciate the concept. It's subtle and maybe too subtle for us as a nation.
01:51 PM on 08/25/2008
"I swear everyone's IQ has gone down 35 points over the last eight years. It is like the contact brain cell impairment of standing in the check out line at Wal-Mart 24/7."

A plausible explanation for a lot of Wall Street's activities, the mortgage mess and so forth. You are dead-on about tactics and the "game" that has digressed into a shallow neo-con drama exhibiting how ignorance and stubbornness begets isolation and disaster.
04:01 PM on 08/25/2008
Ole Smartee,

I agree with you here. We never can be to sure of one mans lust (or secret desire) for power. Biden seems safe right now, but so did Dick Cheyney. I still say the comparison is way off. I think-and hope- JB is more like Tom Hagen to use the Godfather analagy, but he needs to be Luca Brasi for the remainder of this elction "season:
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09:26 PM on 08/24/2008
Biden is well liked in the Senate and he knows how to get things done. End of story. Any comparison to Cheney is ridiculous. Just as Cheney is. How long did Cheney serve in the Senate? On the foreign affairs committee? On the judiciary committee? When I look at Cheney's bio I can't find that he was an important member of any committee. A mediocre representative at best and we're likely to discover he has engaged in criminal behavior while occupying the office of vice president. Whoever dreamed up this comparison has a screw loose.
11:12 AM on 08/25/2008
We heard the same thing about Cheney when Bush picked him that he was well liked, had experience and the media went on and on. The senators will know more listen to Biden if they disagree with him than they did to Cheney. The problem with a lot of you is you believe all this BS you hear on TV.
03:33 PM on 08/24/2008
Joe Biden is Dick Cheney's Horcrux!
12:14 PM on 08/24/2008
HAs Cheney ever taken Amtrack home every night????
08:11 PM on 08/24/2008
Does that really matter?
08:22 PM on 08/24/2008
Yes
10:42 PM on 08/24/2008
most definitely. just normal folks, no entourage like cheney.
12:10 PM on 08/24/2008
More like Kenndy/Johnson 1960!!!!!

Repugs can dictate arguments but they can't finish it!!!!!
12:09 PM on 08/24/2008
Once again the PNAC (Project for a New American Centur) story gets buried by a politics-as-usual analyst. There has ben no "parallel foreign policy," Bush's policies are those of PNAC and that's why they chose to get him in office because he's a foreign policy puppet.