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Fiscal Affairs: Beware of "Centrists" Bearing Consensus

Posted: 03/ 2/2012 8:21 am

Floyd Norris has written another good column skewering the Republican candidates' tax proposals. It's not hard: all you have to do is list the many ways they want to cut taxes -- which make George W. Bush look like a veritable communist, out to confiscate all private wealth -- and point out the vast increase in budget deficits that would follow.

Near the end, Norris has this paragraph:

To some deficit hawks, like Maya MacGuineas, the president of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, the campaign so far has been a disappointment. In tax policy circles, she said, there has been growing agreement that a reform similar to the 1986 Reagan tax reform is needed -- cutting rates and eliminating loopholes and deductions. But while that reform was revenue-neutral, she said, this one would need to raise revenue.

I wouldn't call myself a member of "tax policy circles," so maybe there is such a consensus. "Cutting rates and eliminating loopholes and deductions" was a feature of Bowles-Simpson, Domenici-Rivlin, and the Gang of Six. But that doesn't make it right.

Eliminating loopholes and deductions obviously makes sense, both because of the distortions they create and because of the growing national debt. This is something I've argued for myself. But why do we need to lower rates? Today's tax rates were set by George W. Bush in 2001 and are considerably lower than the rates that prevailed under Bill Clinton and, for that matter, during most of the history of the income tax. The tax rates on capital gains and dividends, in particular, are at their lowest levels since before World War II. For those of you who care about global competitiveness, total taxes in the United States are lower than in most other advanced industrialized countries. Given the expected growth in the national debt due to demographic shifts and health care inflation, the obvious thing to do would be to simply return to Clinton-era tax rates.

The need to lower rates is not economic, but political. The simple fact is that given the Republican Party of Grover Norquist, you cannot get a single prominent Republican to sign on to a tax plan that does not cut tax rates. Ergo, if you want to call yourself bipartisan, you have to cut rates. But that doesn't mean it's right; that just means that the Republicans have successfully eliminated their negotiating room, forcing would-be centrists to cave in to their demands.

MacGuineas did say that tax reform this time would have to increase revenue. That sounds good -- until you realize what "increase" means. Bowles-Simpson, Domenici-Rivlin, and the Gang of Six would all drastically reduce tax revenue from the levels dictated by current law.

Remember, under current law the Bush tax cuts all expire. These "centrist" plans only "increase" tax revenue by first adopting a baseline in which the Bush tax cuts are made permanent. That's how the Gang of Six plan promised to "provide $1 trillion in additional revenue" while at the same time providing "net tax relief of $1.5 trillion." Bowles-Simpson promised $180 billion in additional tax revenues in 2020 -- but their baseline assumed the continuation of the Bush tax cuts, which would reduce 2020 tax revenues by more than $500 billion. Domenici-Rivlin increased tax revenues by $435 billion over 2012-2020, but also only after making the Bush tax cuts permanent, costing almost $1.4 trillion over that period.* In each case, the "increased" tax revenue is only a small fraction of the tax revenue sacrificed to the Bush tax cuts.

Now, you may think that the appropriate level of taxes is just slightly above the level set by George W. Bush in 2001 and 2003. You may want to make the Bush tax cuts permanent and then trade off fewer loopholes for lower rates. But if that's what you think, just come out and say it. Don't claim to be increasing taxes in the name of fiscal responsibility.

* The cost of the Bush tax cuts here is from the CBO's August 2010 estimate and does not include interest on the additional debt.

James Kwak is the co-author of White House Burning: The Founding Fathers, Our National Debt, and Why It Matters To You, available from April 3rd. This post is cross-posted from The Baseline Scenario.

 
 
 

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Floyd Norris has written another good column skewering the Republican candidates' tax proposals. It's not hard: all you have to do is list the many ways they want to cut taxes -- which make George W. ...
Floyd Norris has written another good column skewering the Republican candidates' tax proposals. It's not hard: all you have to do is list the many ways they want to cut taxes -- which make George W. ...
 
 
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10:45 PM on 03/02/2012
You said it Professor Kwak. Grover Norquist is the sole reason we have so much debt. He has nearly every Republican by the short and curlys and they dance to his tune. Three Democrats have also pledged their faithfulness and loyalty to Grover over you. All but seven Republicans in the House and Senate have signed the vow to Grover NEVER to raise taxes, no matter what. They have taken an oath that supersedes their oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution. America is coming apart at the seams and these people, elected to represent you are instead loyal to another. I have read arguments that these turncoats are actually violating not only their Congressional oath but they are breaking the law by this oath. In any case they should each and every one of them be removed from office immediately. Read the sorry names and numbers here.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/atrfiles/files/files/072911-federalpledgesigners.pdf
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02:58 PM on 03/02/2012
Kansas Republicans actually want to raise taxes--on anyone making less than $250,000. They will of course be lowering taxes on those making more, leading to a revenue shortfall which will have to be addressed by cutting services.
02:28 PM on 03/02/2012
There is no consensus, just more propaganda to convince us we don't know what's good for is.
02:26 PM on 03/02/2012
I am not seeing what the leverage is that the Republicans have to prevent the Bush tax cuts from expiring.
07:37 PM on 03/02/2012
Withholding their approval from Obama. As a devout Centrist, Obama craves consensus, and just can’t believe they’ll never accept him. Sort of like Charlie Brown thinking Lucy won’t pull the football away this next time. But way less funny.
08:26 PM on 03/02/2012
The last time that Obama tried that tack was during the debt ceiling fiasco. He did not bother with bi-partisanship in the recess appointments, the Social Security tax cut, the contraception flap or the XL pipeline. The willingness of the tea baggers to default on the debt has cemented their reputation as reckless extremists while Obama appears as Mr. Reasonable.
01:06 PM on 03/02/2012
We don't have a revenue problem - WE HAVE A SPENDING PROBLEM. It really is simple - why does everyone not realize that our government has outgrown our ability to support its rapid growth. WE CAN'T AFFORD THIS - CUT SPENDING.
10:40 AM on 03/02/2012
Reality check: We don't have a revenue problem - we have a SPENDING problem. Here's an illustration of the SPENDING problem:

Here's something to consider about a family balance sheet:

Income: $24,700 a year
Expected expenses: $37,900
2012 expected debt: $13,200 (53% more than income)
Previous credit card balance: $153,500 (debt is 6.2 x annual income)
Belt-tightening cuts you'll make this year: $385 (1% reduction in spending)

Does THAT sound like good budget planning? This family is in VERY DIRE financial straights, right? Would YOU run your family budget like that?

Now add 8 zeros - which represents our Federal Budget:

Income: $2,470,000,000,000 a year
Expected expenses: $3,790,000,000,000 (50% more than income)
2012 expected debt: $1,320,000,000,000 (added to 15 trillion)
Previous credit card balance: $15,350,000,000,000 (6.2 x annual income)
Belt-tightening cuts you'll make this year: $38,500,000,000 (1% reduction)

If that doesn't put things into perspective, nothing will. WE ARE IN TROUBLE! And too many people just want to just ignore it.
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Hoodooman
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10:31 AM on 03/02/2012
If you do not pay federal income tax, should you pay your "fair share"?
01:19 PM on 03/02/2012
If you are a corporation, you should. If you are retired and paralyzed by multiple sclerosis, you don't have to.
ThatsTheTheWayItIs
religion, ideology, partisanship are delusional
10:28 AM on 03/02/2012
Deductions for mortgage interest and 401Ks caused the housing bubble and meltdown. Both deductions go exclusively to the upper-half, 70% of the benefit goes to the richest 20%. They cost billions in lost tax revenue, and in fact discourage true home ownership by encouraging long mortgages. Eliminate both.

Because of those deductions, analysts say: take long-term mortgages, never pay them off, take out home-equity loans, put the money in the stock market instead. So we borrow more for longer from Wall St, and give it to them to gamble with. And don't save for kids college, make them borrow the money from Wall St too. We save for our retirement while our kids go into debt to go to college - how selfish are we?

Fact: you are better off financially paying off your mortgage than investing that money. Which should be obvious, since the S&P 500 was higher in 2000 than it has been since. Paying off a mortgage yields the interest rate. If you have a 7% mortgage, you get a 7% return on money used to pay it off, that's a great return. And except for the stupid tax deductions, a giveaway to the rich and Wall St, better than you can do in the market.

And the real purpose of 401Ks: make the well-off set so they'll be willing to eliminate SS.
02:19 PM on 03/02/2012
The $250K to $500K capital gains exclusion for a home sale provides the worst kind of tax subsidy. It encourages speculation in houses. A lot of the toxic loans in the recent were held by flippers who were very happy with no down, balloon -payment- down- the- road loans because they had no intention of holding onto the house. What other investment is tax free?

How you think 401Ks causde the econmomic crash is a mystery. 401ks only defer taxation. All the money in these account have to pay taxes when diistributions are taken.
03:16 PM on 03/02/2012
I might be in favor of phasing out mortgage interest deductions over a 30-year period or so, but not all at once overnight. Doing it all at once would be yet another example of changing the rules after a commitment has been made, and would be disastrous for people who count on it to balance their household budget. And frankly, the last thing we need is yet another hit to the housing market. Phasing out the mortgage interest deduction has to be looked at very carefully, and not now. It might well be that paying off your mortgage is better than investing in stocks, but a lot of people don't have the luxury of doing either.
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09:49 AM on 03/02/2012
The problem with Obama wanting to be a "Centrist" is that Republicans KNOW Obama wants so badly to appear bipartisan. Therefore, all they have to do is refuse to compromise and he will move to the right to meet them.

They did it with health care, financial reform, and now they are doing it with taxes. Obama pre-emptively rolls over every time, and now he and Geithner have done it again by adopting the GOP position that corporate tax rates need to be lowered.
02:30 PM on 03/02/2012
Not just Republicans but foreign countries as well. Look at how Israel is punking him. What a genius..NOT. Watch him give Afghanistan back to the Taliban. Why not he's already given the USA to China.
07:30 PM on 03/02/2012
I wholly agree about Obama as a pushover extending to foreign rulers, particularly China and Israel. And he’s continued Bush’s Afghanistan screw-ups, particularly sticking with Karzai, but it’s so messed up, removing the Taliban from southern Afghanistan would be prohibitively expensive. Continuing to fight the Taliban, as opposed to Al-Qaeda, is a false strength of the sort that bankrupted the Soviet Union.
My years-old recommendation has been a partition between the Pashtu south, and the northern Dari groups, who would like to see us stick around, more or less. Much cheaper, and we can keep an eye on the Taliban.
09:03 AM on 03/02/2012
Perhaps a consensus needs to be built around doing nothing, and just letting the various "temporary" budget busters expire.

See
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/13/business/economy/13leonhardt.html
08:45 AM on 03/02/2012
Much of the Bush Tax Cut goes to the middle class. Everything the left proposes includes more tax increases. Bush tax cuts are increases. Obama has already put in $5 of structural tax increases for every $1 of spending cuts and many hit the middle class. Besides HCR, Swipe tax, tan tax. Obama is hiding them until 2013. How is that for trust?

At the end of the day we have a spending problem. We need revenue neutral tax reform too, but every scheme from the left wants to keep raising taxes. And those in the bottom 50% are getting hit with gas, tolls, sales and other taxes every day.

Until the left can put some cuts in place beside defense and loopholes we are only working around the margins.
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08:36 AM on 03/02/2012
The whole idea is to further enrich and empower the upper class; first directly by cutting their taxes. Then when government is desperate for revenue, to buy public assets at bargain-basement prices. Essentially a return to feudalism, with a certain small loud percentage of the population shrieking about how "it's god's will" the entire time.