Hillary and Bill, and Getting What You Ask For

Posted January 8, 2008 | 09:29 AM (EST)



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First, on Hillary.

It's almost hard to remember political landscape just a few weeks ago, before Obama began his surge, but as I faintly recall, Hillary was completely outclassing all of the men in the debates, and doing an impressive job of giving us our first viable female candidate at the top of the ticket. When she was basically lapping the field, Markos Moulitsas said in a blog that a lot of voters seemed to be saying they couldn't remember why she was supposed to be so bad, and she actually seemed pretty good. She wasn't just an effective debater, she seemed to have a better grasp on the job than her peers. She looked and sounded like a president.

Then, her Democratic opponents went negative, hard. It was often truly from the Republican play book, but it was also from the left. Obama in particular seemed to be particularly energized after Maureen Dowd wrote a nasty and highly personal November 18 column, detailing how the "debate dominatrix" knows how to rattle Obambi. This seemed to liberate Obama, and others. And, Obama's campaign staff became this amazing fast and effective response outfit.

As Hillary's confidence waned, and she was attacked from all sides, she made one move that truly changed perceptions about her candidacy. She began to make Bill Clinton, the ex-president, a highly visible part of her campaign. It was no longer about her, it was about "the Clintons." She may have a great story, but asking people to vote for "the wife" is not going to have the focus where it should have been, for her to connect with the voters. Women had to identify with her, and men had to love her, and I don't think that Bill was the best salesman for either task.

Second. The Republicans wanted Obama. Now they have him. What's next?

The professional Republicans truly hate Hillary, in a way that borders on the irrational. She is a moderate on foreign policy, and not particularly left on domestic policy. But they hate her, they really do. Maybe this was it. But for whatever reason, Karl Rove, George Will, Peggy Noonan, and countless other Republican hacks could barely contain themselves on how great they thought Obama was. Now, it looks like they may get Obama after all.

Is Obama a candidate the Republicans think they can beat, because he is inexperienced, without much actual achievement or management experience, prone to saying naive things about foreign policy, and because he is black? Or, does Obama actually charm and impress them, and create the opportunity for a new political alignment, in the way that FDR changed things. Will an Obama candidacy hand the White House to GOP, or bury the Republican party?

I don't think anyone really knows what type of a president Obama will be. To me, he is certainly good enough to be president. Both Obama and Hillary are effective reminders we are truly stupid to have spent more than 200 years excluding people. He might be much better than ok. Beyond making a good speech, it's hard to know. But he is an extraordinary political candidate, and I really think he can win, and win big, in November 2008. My mother, who is a lifelong Republican, and no liberal, likes Obama. So do most young people I meet (the ones who are not mobilizing for Ron Paul).

One impressive achievement of the Obama campaign is to give an entire country the opportunity to rise above an ugly history of racism and exclusion. I don't think this is a small thing, and if one needs a rationale for electing someone with a paucity of legislative and executive experience, this should count, a lot. He is a very smart and talented senator, but he is doing something much more important that getting a bill through the Congress -- he is getting our soul through a very tough barrier.

But as impressed as I am at Senator Obama's success as a candidate, I am often appalled and surprised at the treatment given recently to Hillary Clinton. The exclusion of and discrimination against women has been, and continues to be, the hallmark of nearly every society. Hillary Clinton is a smart and capable legislator, and someone that would make a good president. The ugliness of the campaign against Hillary, not by her rivals for the nomination, but by the press and by the public at large, has not been pretty.

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With all due respect, Senator Clinton was a carpetbagger looking for a safe seat when she arbitrarily decided to become a senator from New York State. And in that role she failed miserably to represent her own liberal NYC constituents, but she was deeply loved by all of the Bush Republicans upstate.

I wrote her in an appeal to conscience four years ago, asking her to rouse herself to the protection of her country from external and internal threats. She chose to pass flag-burning amendment, and hold hearings on videogame violence while voting for the unprovoked destruction of Iraq!

She has earned our bitterness and our disrespect, not as a woman but as a feckless Senator.

Please don't even consider trying to lecture me about my deeply held convictions in regard to this candidate - never has anyone in the history of America had so many privileges and advantages and affirmative action. Her entire campaign exists solely for these reasons. That she has made so little of it speaks directly to her character.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 01/08/2008

Myname,and all the previous commentors, good insightful posts.

I agree the media was complicit in making Hillary the "inevitable nominee" but, they also played the Clintons game of not publishing factual articles (GQ,etc), blackmailed with no access to Bill or Hill.

The Canadian press commented on his "relationship" with a daughter of one of Canada's super magnates yet, no one, even gossip columnists or disgusting scandal sheets
picked it up.

Yes, the press and the "extremely intelligent"
talking heads on CNN and Sunday morning shows
have enlightened the nation as to what corporated owned slime that they are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 01/08/2008

The GOP wants Obama because it's about entrenched political alliances - his are fewer and different than the Clintons', and there's more of a chance to work with him.

The GOP knows 2008 will be a Dem year - maybe not quite like the 2006 U.S. congressional/state government landslide, but maybe so. In NH in 2006, even perennial Dem also-rans (who never had expected to get in over the decades, they were just there to have some Dem, any Dem on the ticket) were swept into office by tsunami of anti-GOP sentiment. It didn't matter in 2006 in NH what people's policies were. Yes, the state"s demographics have been changing, but NH (with some notable exceptions including Kerry and Govs. Shaheen and Lynch) was pretty firmly Red through 2006.

In 2008, some - even a lot - of that year 2006 cleaning house, anti-Republican sentiment is still there. That's some of what the O has going for him - even the most ardent supporter has to agree, not that I'm saying the O wouldn't be where he is entirely on his own merits.

All that said - the GOP calculation is: of the Dems, who would be the best? The Clinton family is entrenched in a calcified series of establishment alliances - they have their legislative allies, their corporate supporters ... in other words, everyone knows who gets the patronage when the Clintons are in charge. Also, political alliances influence policy positions.

Obama, unlike the Clintons, still is young and forging his networks, and there's a chance to better have an impact on his corporate and political bedfellows and horse trade. He also isn"t as much of a rabid lefty as some make him out to be. Not that the GOP won't give a good go at the White House in "08, of course they will. But at least a significant part of the "who best of the Dems" calculation is a simple (and cynical) affair about holding onto as much power as possible in a bad year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 01/08/2008

Boy, I don't see it like that at all. Bill Clinton left office with $600,000 as a net worth. Bill spent the next 7 years soliciting enormous contributions (bribes) from the largest corporations in the U.S., so that their net worth in just 7 short years has reportedly reached $35.0 million. Did those corporations give money to Bill to buy influence with Hillary? It's a pretty good bet.

Hillary became Senator because people were angry at the Ken Starr nonsense, felt sorry for her, and her opponent (Guiliani) got cancer and dropped out.

Hillary's handlers told her she needed to suck up to the right wing and try to get Republican voters to like her. She concluded she could tell the Democratic base to kiss off, because we have no choice but to support her. She sucked up to Newt Gingrich and Rupert Murdoch. She voted for war, then voted for it again and again, and never once denounced the slaughter. She is a Republican.

She and her husband got hundreds of millions of dollars to buy the election. She walked into the debates fully prepped by a team headed by a union-busted scum, ready to answer questions to gain Republican support. So she got the early points.

Then Obama and Edwards got their stride. And they mentioned that Hillary is a Republican. and Hillary was shocked, so she said "I'm a girl," and she sent her husband out to say "You can't attack my wife." And Hillary said: "But I've already been president for 8 years, I'm experienced." And the voters said: Wait a minute. She wasn't president. Her husband was. She's kind of a liar. In addition to being a Republican. Let's see if there are any Democrats running.

Hillary Clinton ran as a Republican. But the Republicans do hate her. Too bad she's told the Democratic base to kiss off, because many of us are really pissed off at her support for Bush and Cheney and Lieberman.

She made bad decisions. She's a Republican. Vote for Edwards.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 01/08/2008

Mr. Love seems to have a very selective, short-term memory.

It was the Clinton campaign that started sending out Obama = Muslim emails. (Individual action, not approved by Clinton.) Mr. Sheehan and his Obama = cocaine. (Individual action, not approved by Clinton. Planted question at a rally. (Individual action, not approved.)

Pretty obvious pattern there. Or does Mr. Love refuse to see it because it doesn't correspond with his own personal biases?

Let's "assume" that all these incidences were individual actions, not approved by the campaign leadership (which I highly doubt)... it still signifies a remarkable failure in leadership. Or a rotten organizational culture.

So who actually went negative hard, and first?
Now that Ms. Clinton is "getting attacked", it's everybody else's fault?

What goes around, comes around. Including negativity.

Gandhi said, "Be the change you wish to see in the world". I guess Ms. Clinton never heard of that one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 01/08/2008

Obama did not attack Hilary.
You are right, however, that the attacks from other quarter have been hard.

I just wish, and I'll bet you wish, that Hilary would have been ready for the attacks which means she should have been the candidate of today instead of yesterday's news.

Ronald Reagan was attacked real hard. In the end his attackers claimed he was protected by teflon. Hilary failed to go into the shop for a teflon coating before embarking on the campaign. She's never lived a real life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 01/08/2008

Not only are you wrong about the capabilities of hillary (she is my senator and as such is unremarkable in her accomplishments and totally wrong in the way she tried to triangulate the war)

You are also wrong about the easy pass you give to obama. I don't care what color he is, but I am against giving him a leg up just because he is the first black man to come this far in a natioal campaign.

how about really digging into his political history. the information about Liebermn being his mentor in the senate is very disturbing.


I have a hunch that the constant push of hillary/obama on all the news services for the past few months was due to their desire for a black man vs woman contest that would boost ratings

If the "second tier" candidates had been doted on the same way, we wouldn't befaced with this soap opera of a campaign.

I would like to see and hear real discussions of real issues rather than the blabber of personal "american Idol" coverage from the bobble headed pundits.

I would much rathe have heard biden and dodd discuss pakistan than hear about hillary "breaking down" at an interview or how great the youtube is of obama.

PLEASE this is a very serious time in our history and yet we are caught up in a drama of the press's own making

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 01/08/2008

I just love the new Hillaryspeak: The GOP wants Obama as the candidate. What a crock of shite.

The GOP wants Hillary, I assure you. She is unelectable, and they have been arming themselves to the teeth with Oppo-research for years expecting her to be the candidate. They are alos drooling at another chance to drag Bill through tthe mud, something her candidacy would allow. Do you think he has been clean since leaving the WHite House? I bet we'll know if she is the candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 01/08/2008

Scenes of "Hillary" Clinton standing alongside former president Clinton and their daughter Chelsea Clinton, and the ghoulish Madeline Albright, look like an exhibit in Madam Tussaud's House of Wax.
Seeing this crew together is about as exciting as finding a boxful of Christmas cards you received ten years ago.
The Media anointed Hillary but the People aren't having it. And a new generation of voters is saying, "Get out of the way!"
The Clintons are deja vu all over again, plus a whole lotta ennui into the bargain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 01/08/2008

This is typical Clinton apologist spin. It's always somebody else's fault.

Do you seriously believe Maureen Dowd's column was the turning point in the Democratic presidential race? I think you vastly overestimate her influence.

I'm sure it has NOTHING to do with the fact that Clinton went negative by "accusing" Obama of plotting his presidential run in kindergarten. I'm sure it has NOTHING to do with the fact that her campaign chair insinuated Obama may have been a drug dealer. I'm sure it has NOTHING to do with the fact that she claims her 8 years as First Lady as experience, yet seems unable to articulate exactly what she did as First Lady that voters should consider as experience.

But I will agree that Bill Clinton has been hurting her campaign more than helping it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 01/08/2008
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