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Slippery Slopes: The Religious Right and Marrying Dogs

Posted: 11/22/11 02:02 PM ET

Two major figures from the religious right can be seen in the video below. Tamara Scott is Michele Bachmann's campaign chair in Iowa, and Bob Vander Plaats is a leader of the anti-gay movement in the state. Ms. Scott is worrying about how gay marriage will lead to all sorts of things, including women marrying the Eiffel Tower!

Here is a similar statement from Rebecca Kleefisch, Republican candidate for Lt. Governor in Wisconsin. She said, "This is a slippery slope. In addition to that, at what point are we going to be OK marrying inanimate objects. Can I marry this table or this, you know, clock? Can we marry dogs?"

Exactly how did they board this train of logic? It dawned on me today why they think such things are possible -- they have a wholly mystical view of marriage. You get this sort of nonsense from most Republicans. For example, Ron Paul has said that marriage should be "returned" to the church. Why the church?

For centuries, marriage was a civil affair, the legal equivalent of a contract today; it was not particularly religious. While legal systems of that day were not nearly as complex and pervasive as they are now, marriage was a contractual matter, not a spiritual one. It took several centuries of the Vatican fighting civil society in order to take control of marriage away from individuals. In The Transformation of Family Law, Mary Ann Glendon writes, "The greatest obstacle to the direct enforcement by the Church of the new Christian ideas about sex and marriage was that marriage was regarded everywhere in Europe in the first half of the Middle Ages as a personal and purely secular matter."

Since this was the case, even churches were prone to recognize privately contracted marriages, without the use of a priest or church in the process. It took a few more centuries for that idea to be mostly eradicated, though it still survives in some segments of the legal system.

The power grab by the Vatican over marriage meant a lot of people associated marriage with mystical ceremonies performed by Christian shamans, invoking blessings of a deity on the couple, but it was the contract between the couple that made them married, not the ceremony.

Right from the start, the American colonies saw marriage as a civil contract, yet the United States allowed religious figures to act as agents of the state, or the legal system. Many marriages still have mystical elements associated with the ceremony, but what makes the marriage legally binding is not mysticism but the contract. When a minister says, "By the powers invested in me by the state of ... I now pronounce you man and wife," that is when the marriage becomes binding. The minister acts as a witness to the legal contract of marriage, and that makes it a legal union of two people.

Marriages without the mystical elements are still legally binding. Religious ceremonies, prayers, candles, priests and all the trappings of modern religion have nothing to do with making a marriage contract real. It is the legal consent of the two partners, not the ceremony, that makes a marriage valid.

If you take the contractual view of marriage, as was prior to the church takeover of marriage, and as it has been since the Age of Enlightenment and the rise of classical liberalism, you immediately see the absurdity of the concerns of people such as Scott and Kleefisch. How does one enter into a contract with a table, a dog, or even the Eiffel Tower? Contracts are between adults who have the ability to understand their contract and are capable of consent. A dog can't understand a contract, nor can it consent. Neither can an inanimate object or a child. You can't marry someone who is comatose, for the same reason. And while Mormons may baptize for the dead, they haven't tried marrying them off.

The nature of a contract requires capable, consenting individuals voluntarily entering into an agreement. Without them, no agreement, thus no contract is possible. Marrying a table is legally impossible, and not even the Eiffel Tower can sign a contract. I doubt even the best-trained dog would be able to do so, either. This is why we don't allow contracts with animals, objects, or children.

However, if you believe marriage is some form of mysticism that exists because a shaman said the right ceremonial words, invoked the right deity, or read from the right sacred writings, then such ceremonies are possible. In that view, it is the magic that creates the marriage, not consent. And a priest, on the other hand, can invoke mystical claims in order to marry a man to a rock, or a woman to the Eiffel Tower.

In the end, this means their criticism of this absurd slippery slope does not, and cannot, apply to the contractual, legal nature of marriage, as has been the normal course of human affairs. Their slippery slope could exist if you believe that incantations, candles, shamans and deities create the marriage through a sacrament or ceremony. Their critique doesn't apply to the secular view of marriage, but it should raise concerns about those who take marriage out of the realm of legal contracts and want to give it back to "religion," where they assume it belongs. In psychological terms, their concern is called projection.

 
 
 
Two major figures from the religious right can be seen in the video below. Tamara Scott is Michele Bachmann's campaign chair in Iowa, and Bob Vander Plaats is a leader of the anti-gay movement in the ...
Two major figures from the religious right can be seen in the video below. Tamara Scott is Michele Bachmann's campaign chair in Iowa, and Bob Vander Plaats is a leader of the anti-gay movement in the ...
 
 
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GDWhiteman
Christian mystic iconoclast
12:23 PM on 11/29/2011
The false dichotomy is a favorite tool of the right wing. It works like this: take the thing that most concerns you that others might find acceptable and then claim a connection between that and as many other things as possible that even a moron would find unacceptable. Now that your phony bogeyman is built, compare it to what you want people to pick.
12:52 PM on 11/28/2011
I've been arguing this for over a decade and one thing I've noticed is that those who use such arguments simply don't want to understand how ridiculous they are. For some reason they're so 'concerned' about the possibility of two men or two women being legally wed that they simply have to use whatever ridiculous argument pops into their heads. There's one fellow whose entire argument revolves around religion and he simply refuses to look at the legal aspects of it because he honestly believes that marriage is strictly a religious occasion. When asked about my parents' and sister's marriages in front of a JotP, he has actually stated he 'can't' consider them married since it involved no church service.
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GDWhiteman
Christian mystic iconoclast
12:24 PM on 11/29/2011
They *intend* to be ridiculous. It's part and parcel of constructing a false dichotomy.
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starrigavan
07:56 PM on 11/26/2011
It's ironic that the political party of big business pretends not to understand that marriage is a contactual agreement between two people. It's not surprising, though, that they don't see the irony.
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WheelsOnFire
Fiercely Independent
05:43 PM on 11/25/2011
That they must resort to these sort of inane, absurd, and ridiculous exaggerations is a clear sign that they have no rational or cogent reasons to oppose gay marriage.

Thus, they have failed.
05:38 PM on 11/25/2011
This article gave me a headache. I've been married and believe me it was not that great!!!
02:23 PM on 11/24/2011
"This is a slippery slope. In addition to that, at what point are we going to be OK marrying inanimate objects. Can I marry this table or this, you know, clock? Can we marry dogs?"

Clearly Ms Kleefish needs psychiatric help to understand that neither inanimate objects nor base animals can give what is commonly known as LEGAL CONSENT. Perhaps a little class in logic would help too. And a law course would also help. IF, that is, she is 'helpable'. Frankly, I think she's too far gone to be helped.
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01:51 PM on 11/24/2011
Maybe the Conservatives are so afraid of gays because they fear they'll lose their spouses to true love.
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GDWhiteman
Christian mystic iconoclast
12:44 PM on 11/28/2011
Why do you think Michelle B is so outspoken on the subject?
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01:39 PM on 11/24/2011
The only weddings that any church should concern themselves are only the ones performed under their roof. Beyond that it is not their business.
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Robbert Bricker
The Undeniable
06:08 AM on 11/27/2011
amen!!!
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Bill J4321
01:42 PM on 11/23/2011
Can any heterosexual out there explain to me how your brains go immediately from human beings to dogs and inanimate objects?

And you folks think gays are weird.

Oy.
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01:42 PM on 11/24/2011
Well actually, sometimes my man brings up sex and I've been known to turn on the TV.
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WheelsOnFire
Fiercely Independent
05:32 PM on 11/25/2011
I'm not a heterosexual, but I'll try to answer your question.

Repressed fantasies and desires That's what causes some straights to leap from human beings to dogs and inanimate objects when sex is discussed.
01:30 AM on 11/27/2011
I agree with you. It has to be some kind of deviant desire of these people that they automatically think we would go out and marry these things. Though to be fair, I think some of them probably would be returning to their roots.
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RainbowTeacher
08:23 AM on 11/23/2011
I really like the point that it is the consent, not the ceremony that makes it a marriage. That will be my go to argument on this with those that wish to argue the point. I did get angry one day and tell someone that I wished they would fall down their slippery slope. My bad.
12:27 PM on 11/23/2011
That's okay. I told one once to climb aboard his red herring and ride it all the way down his slippery slope. Sometimes they just drive us to the brink. ;-)
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RainbowTeacher
03:21 PM on 11/23/2011
Oh I like that!!
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06:12 PM on 11/23/2011
I do too! Faved!
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04:12 AM on 11/23/2011
Hijacking marriage is yet another takeover and lie to make the sheep believe the master contained within their, 'book,' about a so-called divine man claimed superior to humans: similar to Superman.
There is nothing original about this piece of recycled and fictionalized plagiarism. The books' content overflows of retold celebrations: myth and legend: history and tale, all plundered from past civilizations richly chronicled, all the while the white men running the show continuously attempt to eradicate. Google any christian holiday.

What is sad is there is information out there to cure this ignorance, but most need someone/thing to think for them. People continue to never question, then accept and retain the lies and injustices due to the white men running the show telling them to make it so. Then they drive the nail in by exclaiming they themselves are the voice of this fictional deity: don't look behind that wall: that curtain goes nowhere: that person truly existed: there were witnesses. There are a plethora of excuses and not a reasons, and that is something they did create.
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Neenerpuss
If you cant laugh at yourself...someone else will
02:58 AM on 11/23/2011
I believe this has always been about controlling women. Follow along for a second....

If a single man can marry a single woman is called a marriage of equals. That men and women are equal partners. If a single man marries another single man or a single woman marries another single woman it should also be a marriage....because after all men and women are equal....UNLESS they were never equal to begin with????

If that's the case it shouldn't be called "traditional marriage"...it should be called "SUBSERVIANT MARRIAGE"...like Michele Bachmann's marriage.
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01:35 PM on 11/24/2011
I'm pretty sure, no matter what she says, Michelle wears the pants in that family. I don't think she has a 'subservient' bone in her body. This is a woman that thinks she should be in charge. No doubt about it. Thankfully she'll never be in charge of this country.
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GDWhiteman
Christian mystic iconoclast
12:50 PM on 11/28/2011
Hmmm - come to think of it, if she misses the filing date, she won't be in congress anymore either. Does anyone know if she's hedging her bet - working it out so she can still be eligible for re-election to congress when her presidential fantasies evaporate?
been2there
Facts have a liberal bias.
01:07 AM on 11/23/2011
In short, the right wing is badly disconnected from reality. Yes.
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Angel1999
Microbiologist & Historian
10:33 PM on 11/25/2011
There's a comic strip of Get Fuzzy, where Rob tells Bucky that he's insane. Bucky's response is:
"I'm not in sane. Indeed, I'm so far out of sane that you appear but a tiny blip on the distant horizon of sanity."

This seems to epitomize the right wing.
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Capn Scott
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11:36 PM on 11/22/2011
And here we see one way how religion can become dangerous....by usurping the reasoning from people and substituting in its stead the trappings of stupidity.
Justin Werner
"And so it will make us mad."
10:00 PM on 11/25/2011
Totally secular "Amen, brother!" to that.
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David Moore
Teacher, German, Math, Pennsylvania
10:47 PM on 11/22/2011
It is still the compact made between two people that makes the marriage valid. Whether one has a mariachi band, a long train on the bridal veil, or 21 gun salute at the end, the marriage takes place in the legal compact made between two people, not all the pomp and ceremony that surround it. In Europe, a church wedding cannot legally happen until the couple is legally wed under the law. Incidentally, in plenty of European countries, that includes same-gender marriages.