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Egypt's Election: "We've Never Been Here Before"

Posted: 05/19/2012 11:49 am

This Egyptian presidential election has all the earmarks of being a "we've never been here before" event.

Never before have we seen such a competitive contest in Egypt or, for that matter, in any Arab country. And never before have we had a presidential contest, anywhere in the world that I can recall, where we have no idea what the winner will actually win when the election is over.

At this point, the polls are too close and no clear front-runner has emerged. Anyone can still emerge victorious. This is the third major vote in Egypt in the past year. The two earlier rounds were notable for the surprises they brought. First, there was the referendum to ratify the constitutional changes put forward by the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF). Back then, the once very popular, Mohamed El Baradei, and the always popular former Foreign Minister and Arab League Secretary General, Amr Moussa, and the youthful leaders of the Tahrir Square revolt all campaigned for a "no" vote. Just a few days before the vote, these forces were predicting victory. Meanwhile, the alliance of the SCAF and the Muslim Brotherhood appeared to be working in tandem in support of the referendum. Their combined organizational strength proved decisive and carried the day, winning by a huge margin of more than three to one.

The surprise that occurred in the many rounds of the parliamentary elections was the consistent strength demonstrated by the Salafi movement. It had been expected that the Muslim Brotherhood would win handily. And they did. But what caught most observers off guard was the broad support given to Salafi candidates resulting in their party winning almost one-quarter of the seats in the new parliament.

While one might assume that these contests lay the predicate for this presidential election and can be used to project the outcome, it appears they may not provide a useful guide to the expected result for two reasons: Egyptians appear to view the presidency differently than they do the legislature; and competition among the Islamic parties and a general concern of a Muslim Brotherhood "over-reach" is producing an alliance of "strange bedfellows" which may affect voter behavior.

These factors combined have resulted in a Salafi/liberal alliance supporting the candidacy of a moderate former Muslim Brotherhood leader, Abdul Moneim Aboul Fatouh, who has since been denounced by the Brotherhood. The Brotherhood's own candidate has so far fared poorly in the polls, since even some in his own party are concerned lest their group be seen as wanting too much power too soon. Secularists and liberals have at least three candidates in the running. Far and away the leader of this group appears to be the charismatic Amr Moussa. Also scoring fairly well in various polls are former Prime Minister-for-a-month Ahmad Shafiq and leader of the Kefaya movement, Hamdeen Sabahi.

As I noted, the polling on this contest has been inconsistent -- and for good reason. Because we've never seen a competitive presidential contest of this type in Egypt, we do not know how to predict the turnout, the voter intensity, or each party's or candidate's organizational strength. And so regardless of what the polls may be saying, I would never count out the capacity of the Brotherhood or the SCAF to play a major role on election day.

As big as the question of who the winner will be, is what the job of the presidency will be like in the short term, when this election is over, and in long term, after the new constitution is written. Some Egyptians may have set high expectations for this vote, assuming that major change will occur should their preferred candidate win. Most likely, that will not be the case.

This is not a contest that will put in office a leader who will have the power of a President Mubarak or Sadat or Nasser. Past presidents came out of the military and controlled the ruling party and parliament, and the security services and the other institutions of the state. The current situation is less clear, more diffuse.

The SCAF will remain a major force to be sure and appears unlikely to surrender complete control to a civilian authority, especially if it is one they do not trust. The Muslim Brotherhood and the Salafi movement have control over significant blocs in the parliament and, corresponding to that, large and influential segments of the Egyptian society. And then there are those other organized forces who played such a significant role in the revolt and have demonstrated the capacity to mobilize protests.

Given all of this, the space available for the new president to act will be constrained. Parliament will weigh in on the formation of the government, the military will push back as it sees fit to protect its prerogatives, and the "street" will react when it feels compelled to do so.

As I said: "We've never been here before." This new situation in Egypt is called democracy and it is an uncertain balancing act between competing forces. It is sometimes messy and it will take time to work itself out.

It is important to remember, though, that while all this drama is playing out, Egyptians are facing a major challenge lurking in the shadows that could upset an already precariously perched applecart. And that is the state of the country's economy. It they are responsible, leaders across the spectrum will push aside differences born of self-interest and act quickly to consolidate the power of the new president and the effectiveness of the new government so that the economic crisis can be addressed as a national priority. Whether that will happen remains to be seen. After all, we've never been here before.

 

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This Egyptian presidential election has all the earmarks of being a "we've never been here before" event. Never before have we seen such a competitive contest in Egypt or, for that matter, in any Ara...
This Egyptian presidential election has all the earmarks of being a "we've never been here before" event. Never before have we seen such a competitive contest in Egypt or, for that matter, in any Ara...
 
 
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notmisaacm
That which is attributed to malice is often explai
12:57 PM on 05/21/2012
"Egypt's Election: "We've Never Been Here Before"

And you will never be here again. With the Muslim Brotherhood poised to triumph in the Egyptian elections, the next time around, only candidates approved by a board of Mullahs will be allowed to run for office. One man, one vote, one time; Islamic democracy.
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NTT
Fighting rants with facts
09:04 AM on 05/21/2012
At the current point in time, it is impossible to have democracy in Egypt.

Democracy can be defined as a political regime in which the only authority derives from "the consent of the governed". And, as physicians and philosophers have long ago discovered, the only valid consent is "informed consent".

But currently the Egyptian populace is incapable of "informed consent" -- simply because it is not informed -- and in fact it is disinformed. This is a population with a high % of illiteracy; even among those who are literate, education tends to be poor. The entire population has been denied freedom of speech, freedom of information, freedom of public debate for decades, while being subjected to intensive political & religious indoctrination.

To have any chance of succeeding, transition to democracy in the Arab world should start with implementing freedom & education -- not with elections.
lastpost
see biography
06:55 AM on 05/21/2012
"Egypt's Election: "We've Never Been Here Before"
Don’t tell me real democracy has been rediscovered? That selection of polices has been put before the selection of personalities once more. You’ll be telling me next that the original Antikytheora computer has resurfaced, from the bottom of that turbulent sea into which it had sunk. Just like the fortunes of its country of origin, Greece.

"we have no idea what the winner will actually win"
Shouldn't the people win? That won’t happen in a fixed Western race.

"SCAF and the Muslim Brotherhood appeared to be working in tandem"
Servants of the people now. But for how long?

"denounced by the Brotherhood."
Denounce all you want. Just don’t diddle with democracy.

"who the winner will be"
Vote not for each minority. But for whoever will act in the best interests of all.

"surrender complete control to a civilian authority"
only when the opportunity to betray that ultimate trust is rendered inexistent.

"As I said: "We've never been here before."
Greeks apparently have. Find out where they went wrong. Before venality moves in.

"Egypt is called democracy"
In reality, and in all of the West, its actually a republic.

"Whether that will happen remains to be seen."
You'll need transparency to see it coming.

"we've never been here before."
Then learn for the misfortunes of those that have. Communism, Capitalism, Common Market, corrupted. Don’t let that perverse pyramid scheme be your monument too.
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HellBank
Curve: The loveliest distance between two points.
03:52 AM on 05/21/2012
I'd like to seem'em build another pyramid just to see if they can still do it.
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roch1234caputo
02:27 PM on 05/21/2012
For the Egyptian building a Democary will be as hard as building a new pyramid. They don't have enough infomation about either. A Democarcy would, if acomplish be more important then building a pyremid. Like all that have trird in the past, it takes years, many things to be worked out and then chanded again, until it's workable. I wish them luck in this new indever.
01:56 AM on 05/21/2012
Just because some are hailing Egypt's revolution as a transition to "democracy" guarantees nothing good necessarily. Remember, the Weimar Republic was "democratic" in the brave new world post-WW1...and remember who was democratically voted a majority in the Reichstag and made Chancellor in 1933. We all know how THAT turned out. You can cemocratically vote yourself anything.
What contemporary Egypt needs is stability, development of infrastructure and a viable and sustainable economy, some means of reducing its severe overpopulation, and opportunity for its people--and this will also mean the promotion of equal rights for ALL Egyptians, male or female. What we're seeing is the popularity of Islamists who want to curtail the rights of women and Christians, scrap the peace treaty with Israel (which has kept young Egyptians from dying for "Palestine" since the late 1970s), and repeated bombings of the gas pipeline in the Sinai.
Not very encouraging.
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roch1234caputo
02:51 PM on 05/21/2012
I don't think the Egyptians have the infomation need to do either. A demoracy may even be harder. It has taken many countries years to work their demomracies out You start, you make mistakes and changes and on and on till it is workable, I think we still are working on ours I happy we have had much good luck, but it's not perfect. What is the point to be negitive about their try? If they make mistakes the can work on changeing them. I worry most about theSCAF (military), not the different parties, these people already have a foot hold. Wish them luck, this is very new to them..
fullofmitt
Willard was a rat in a movie!
11:29 PM on 05/20/2012
6 candidates - chaos,bribes,and fraud!
07:07 PM on 05/20/2012
The elections won't tell us if Egypt is yet a democracy.
We'll have to wait to see if the winner is willing to hold
elections for a second time in a few years.
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Anybodyseenthepopos
אני כלום בלעדיהם
06:09 PM on 05/20/2012
And in one week we may get to witness uprising #2 in Tahrir Square...
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meb1357
Remember Kafr Qasim
11:12 AM on 05/20/2012
It is a new dawn in Egypt, and indirectly, for the world. Democracy, especially in the birthing process, is always messy, but offers great promise.
03:33 PM on 05/20/2012
Keep in mind the maxim enunciated by Turkey's P.M. Erdogan: “democracy is just the train we board to reach our destination.” That seems to be a principle close to the hearts of almost all political parties participating in the Arab Spring.
07:08 PM on 05/20/2012
Erdogan is a threat to Turkish democracy.
01:57 AM on 05/21/2012
Look what "democracy" gave birth to in early 1930s Weimar Republic.
Messy, indeed.
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roch1234caputo
02:55 PM on 05/21/2012
Some people will never let us move on from that terrible point, why?
12:08 AM on 05/20/2012
Have any of you read their new "constitution"? It's all muslim brotherhood, including religion as being of utmost importance in their state-run "right to education."
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04:49 AM on 05/20/2012
The military adopted a 'provisional' constitution which allowed for elections and directly stipulated that the newly elected parliament form a new constitutional drafting committee - the Constituent Assembly of Egypt - to write a new constitution. So I guess the answer is no, I haven't. Have you?
03:37 PM on 05/20/2012
Taxim, you are being coy. However the constitutional drafting committee is created, we are witnessing a process similar to the one in your own country, in which your P.M. is on record, while mayor of Istanbul, stating: “democracy is just the train we board to reach our destination.”
03:40 PM on 05/20/2012
After all Egypt has not been here before. It will take a long time to bring armed forces influence to a minimum.Egypt has just started where British democracy was in 18th century.
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NTT
Fighting rants with facts
07:50 AM on 05/21/2012
Either that, or it started where the German democtacy was in the 1920s-1930s.
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desert warrior
Unu lingvo neniam sufiĉas
11:33 PM on 05/19/2012
Au contraire: the turnout is very very predictable; salafists or the brotherhood or both will run the country, will establish sharia law, banning any religion not Islam, and banning all political opposition, creating another Iran-like government. Furthermore, they will abolish the peace treaty with Israel, leading to an escalation of tensions and a beating of the drums of war to unite a very dissatisfied population whose freedoms have been taken away, again. So much for your Egyptian "spring, freedom and democracy".
10:34 PM on 05/19/2012
The "Arab Spring", in Egypt and other countries, is very exciting long-term. The Egyptian people deserve better than the governments they've had in the past. I believe that President Obama wants to nurture the Arab Spring, and I hope to hear something from Romney that indicates he feels the same way.
07:47 AM on 05/20/2012
re."Egyptian people deserve better than the governments they've had in the past."

um... no. Usually people get the government they deserve. They adored Nasser and Mufti of Jerusalem was a toast of the town when he escaped from Berlin.
Now Salafists and MB are all the rage.
'Nough said.
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OneTop
Uh, is that a beer hall?
10:18 PM on 05/19/2012
The road to democracy is long and messy.

This of course is taking place while in the background, nothing of substance to date, has changed in Egypt from the Mubarak era.

The military and police still carry on as they always have. The US has continued to fund the military and police providing a support and approval for the status quo. The SCAF along with the military elite have massive entrenched business interests throughout the country giving them a common interest with the Brotherhood.

Regardless of the presidential outcome, SCAF/military/police apparatus will not cede real power. The US (from Senator McCain's visit) has gotten assurances from the Brotherhood that US economic interests / investments and the accompanying agenda will not be interrupted. That, with the de facto control of the military (through US funding) lays out the conclusion.

The US/West will not allow the fate of Egypt to fall into the hands of a civilian democracy.

The socioeconomic issues of lack of jobs, opportunities, poverty and even food gave rise to the ousting of Mubarak, yet the status quo prevails. Egypt cannot feed itself and sorely needs an economic employment targeted growth plan.

Time will tell.
10:12 PM on 05/19/2012
have a feeling we will be dealing with the Egyptian military, err, I mean government for a long time. Which isn't a bad thing, just makes me question the "democracy", its pretty clear we only like Democracy when it is in our best interests.

Its clear that a Mubarak regime will be missed (at least fro america)
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Puller58
Man of Mystery
08:48 PM on 05/19/2012
Democracy? You might have elections, but the institutions of democracy like the military and the police in Egypt are woefully unprepared to be "governed."
fullofmitt
Willard was a rat in a movie!
11:32 PM on 05/20/2012
sort of like in Gaza!