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James Zogby

Posted: April 10, 2010 02:37 AM

Nuclear Nonsense

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With the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START) signed by the U.S. and Russia, a Nuclear Summit about to begin in Washington, and pressure mounting to rein in Iran's nuclear ambitions, a few troubling issues need to be addressed.

In negotiating and then signing a new arms reduction pact with Russia and in announcing a new U.S. posture on the use of nuclear weapons, President Obama has come under withering attacks from the right wing. Accusing the President of unilaterally disarming or weakening the U.S. position in the world is sheer nonsense.

What START provides is that both the U.S. and Russia will each dramatically reduce their nuclear weapons arsenal to 1,550. A few decades ago we and the then Soviet Union had a combined total of over 70,000 such weapons, a perfectly bizarre amount. As we all understood, back then, using these weapons was unthinkable since they would result in "mutually assured destruction". And yet we continued to build and deploy. Unwinding this insanity was the right thing to do and it still is.

The president's vision of a nuclear free world (one he shares with former President Reagan) is the correct stance. START represents movement in the right direction. His critics are dead wrong.

The Nuclear Summit is designed to promote the control of nuclear weapons and to secure world wide buy-in. Israel's decision to send a low level representative in order to avoid criticism of their nuclear program and U.S. silence on Israel's stance are both disappointing and dangerous. It is nonsense to assume that Israel can be given a free pass. Despite the efforts of apologists, Israel's claim of exceptionalism doesn't hold up to regional scrutiny. As a result of U.S. guarantees, Israel has a conventional military capability that exceeds that of all of its neighbors combined. And they have rather freely used this force in successive wars that have dealt devastating blows to all their neighbors. Despite this, Israelis have not found peace, since peace and security will only come through a negotiated just settlement with the Palestinians, the Syrians and the Lebanese.

And so of what use is Israel's nuclear program (or its silence about that program and its refusal to sign the non-proliferation treaty - NPT)? Possessing nuclear weapons has not created a deterrent. Nor can Israel use these weapons, if in fact they possess them. Can Israel bomb Gaza or the West Bank or Lebanon, without endangering its own population with the resultant radioactive fallout? And what would be the human and international consequences of Israel's use of nuclear weapons? It remains unthinkable to use such weapons and therefore nonsense to stockpile or hide them.

In fact the only purpose served by Israel's stubborn insistence that it maintain silence about its nuclear program, and the U.S. continuing to provide cover for Israel's behavior in this regard, is to impede progress toward establishing the Middle East as a "nuclear free zone". When Egypt first raised this idea years ago, its consideration was blocked by Israel and the U.S. That was a mistake then and it still is now.

A further complication of the U.S. giving Israel a pass on nuclear weapons is that it raises the charge of "double standard" -- one so clear that even the most hardnosed defenders of Israel cannot deny it. With growing concern over Iran's nuclear intentions, this "double standard" has become more than an embarrassment, it has become self-defeating and dangerous. Why give Tehran an easy argument to defend their indefensible behavior? When every Arab and Muslim knows that the US is turning a blind eye to Israel's nukes (and will immediately raise this issue whenever the question of nuclear disarmament is discussed), why continue to ignore the elephant in the room?

And finally to Iran. Iran is a regional problem, to be sure. Its meddling in Iraq, the Gulf region, and in Lebanon and Palestine pose real concerns that must be addressed and, one hoped, might have been addressed by President Obama's early promise to engage the Islamic Republic. Instead of focusing on the broad range of issues that define Iran's troubling behaviors in the Middle East, the US zeroed in on the nuclear question - the one where we hold a weak hand. In doing so we played into Tehran's game allowing that government to pose as victim of a double standard (as we argue that they are not in compliance with their obligations under the NPT, which they have signed; while we work with Israel, Pakistan and India who have nuclear programs and are the only three countries in the world who have not signed the NPT - not a strong case, by any measure).

Iran is playing a dangerous and nonsensical game of "chicken". But we have not responded smartly.

Surely no one wants to see an Iran with nuclear weapons -- weapons they also can never use without insuring that massive devastation be visited upon their country. But the best way to insure that a dangerous arms race does not occur in this region is to move towards a nuclear free Middle East. The way forward is to drop the shield of secrecy that surrounds Israel's program, insist that Israel join the world community and sign the NPT, and negotiate a comprehensive peace with its neighbors. This is how to end nuclear madness and advance the president's vision.

 
 
 
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01:54 PM on 04/12/2010
Why should Israel sign this idiotic treaty. Iraq, North Korea, Syria and Iran signed this treaty and tried to develop nuke or even developped them like NK.

This treaty is a joke. As a matter of facts, Israel is the one who forced Syria and Iraq to comply to the NPT.
Tony Andrews
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08:37 PM on 04/12/2010
More importantly, and more relevantly, why should Israel NOT sign the NNPT?
09:33 PM on 04/12/2010
Maybe because far-Leftists with a corrupted view of the world want her to sign this treaty and maybe you are not able to provide any logical reason for being part of this joke.
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07:54 AM on 04/13/2010
The main reason the NPT was a joke to everyone else was because ISRAEL WAS EXEMPT, and america protected israels exemption at every turn. If it had really stood for everyone then it could of had TEETH in it but with israel flaunting its nukes to neighbors it only makes sense for them to get nukes too then THEY can do whatever they like , JUST LIKE ISRAEL DOES
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09:16 AM on 04/12/2010
The article is silent about Iran's April 17-18 conference on nuclear disarmament:
http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=122916
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10:19 PM on 04/11/2010
Interesting.. you didn't defend President Bush from criticism when he did the same thing.
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Maxiesid
08:56 AM on 04/12/2010
What? Bush did what?? Could you provide a link to this piece of history that I can't seem to locate anywhere. That one where Bush proposed that we actually get RID of nuclear weapons??
10:17 PM on 04/11/2010
If, as expected, Iran's fundamentalist Islamic government, which repeatedly declares its goal of destroying Israel, succeeds in acquiring nuclear weapons, Israeli planners will rely on deterrence to prevent Iranian aggression.
01:24 AM on 04/12/2010
There is enough fundamentalism in the Middle East to go a round! With most ministers and parliament members hailing from ultranationalist, racist, and extreme religious parties, the current government in Israel is one of the most fundamentalist and dangerous in the region.
10:01 AM on 04/12/2010
You should quit smoking pot if you believe that the current Israeli government looks like Arab governments.
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01:01 AM on 04/13/2010
The main difference between Israel and its neighbors is that only Israel has attacked it's neighbors in the last 20 years
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01:51 AM on 04/12/2010
I love how the Hafrada supporters interpretation of a call to end those policies becomes the accepted narrative (would it surprise you to know there was a time when it was accepted that a call to end apartheid was actually a call for the slaughter of all whites in South Africa)
10:09 PM on 04/11/2010
the development of a nuclear option as necessary to deter the possibility of combined Arab attacks, as have occurred in the past. All Israeli prime ministers have realized that the geographic and demographic asymmetries in the region leave Israel quite vulnerable to attack. Its tiny size prevents the possibility of "strategic depth" - the ability to absorb a first strike or surprise attack and then launch a counter-attack. Geographically, Israel appears to be a very weak state, wide open to attack by any external enemy.
01:41 AM on 04/12/2010
There are dozens of countries around that are geographically small and have small populations and have turbulent relations with their neighbors; do they all have the right to stock-pile nuclear weapons to defend themselves? These points are simply bad excuses to turn a blind eye to Israel’s nuclear weapons. The fact is Israel doesn’t need them and most likely cannot use them. Israel’s existence is more than protected by its vast military superiority and the unconditional protection of the West.
10:49 AM on 04/12/2010
Where was the unconditional protection of the West in 1947, 1956, 1967, 1973 and 1982?

Where was the uncondional protection of the West during the Oslo war when thousands of Israelis were ruthlessly murdered by genocidal Arabs?

Where was the unconditional protection of the West during the first Iraq when Israel was striked by Iraqi missiles?

Patronizing Americans must take of their own business.
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11:19 PM on 04/12/2010
Why did Israel sell US state secrets to russia during the cold war , that might be what happened to our "unconditional suport during the 50's and 60's and 70's and 80's . American inteligence of what really happened during those wars was pretty good , inspite of the Israeli attach on the USS Liberty. . We whupped Iraqs but and destroyed therir country , is that not enough for you ? And as long as you take our money and weapons what you do to Palestinians and your neighbors IS our business
10:08 PM on 04/11/2010
Israel's nuclear option is credited with forcing Egypt and Syria to limit their attacks in the 1973 war; with bringing Sadat to the realization that he must make peace with Israel; and with deterring Saddam Hussein from using chemical warheads in the 1991 missile attacks against Israel
01:17 AM on 04/12/2010
This is simply not true. The final outcome of the 1973 war had nothing to do with Israel’s nuclear capability. Israel, once regained the initiative and had American military assistance and hardware pouring in, managed to repulse the Egyptian and Syrian forces, even crossing to the western bank of the Suez and reoccupying the Golan Heights plus more Syrian territories. According to some sources, including Seymour Hersh, Israel put some of its nuclear capability on a 24 hour notice as a precaution and in order to pressure the Soviets and Americans. There was a dangerous moment in the war when a nuclear alert developed between the US and the USSR, as the Soviets threatened intervention if the Americas couldn’t insure Israel’s implementation of the cease fire agreement which Israel ignored for days. If anything, the 1973 war, and previous and successive wars in the Middle East, proves that Israel’s conventional military power is more than enough to defend itself.
08:59 PM on 04/11/2010
Israel is the country that has done the more to prevent nuclear proliferation in the ME by destroying Iraqi and Syrian infrastructure.
01:30 AM on 04/12/2010
So what should we call Israel's nuclear arsenal? Proliferation starts somewhere, and Israel has started that process. It ends, when Israel when Israel gives up its nuclear weapons and joins the NPT and agreements to make the Mideast a nuclear-free zone.
07:25 AM on 04/12/2010
Israel has no specific reasons to implement your foolish ideas,
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07:07 AM on 04/12/2010
Israel having nukes has done more to make its neighbors realize that the only way to avoid Israels invasions is to get nukes themselves so that there is MAD ( Mutually Assured Destruction) When we were in the cold war if one side had been so overwhelmingly superior in arms we would have had WW3 now it is Israels agression that is pushing us to WW3 unless America and the rest of the world make Israel STAND DOWN
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04:18 PM on 04/11/2010
More wise words from Mr Zogby, whose clear thinking and articulate essay underscores what should be obvious to all: the Middle East should be declared a nuclear-free zone, and the US and UN should enforce that goal. If any country, including Israel, has nuclear weapons, they should be forced to give up those horrific weapons of mass destruction before they are used, and the world suffers the consequences.
10:13 PM on 04/11/2010
The threat of extinction "places Israel in a different security category from any other country in the world, "Israel is a small state with a small population. It's a democracy and it exists in a neighborhood [where many] prefer it not be there and they'd like it to be put in the sea. And Israel...has arranged itself so it hasn't been put in the sea.
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07:16 AM on 04/12/2010
"Israel is a democracy?" Blackjack12 try THEOCRACY and you are closer to the truth or maybe ZIONOCRACY would be more accurate . Like South Africa in years gone by if you arent part of the ruling religion-race forget about it . And there would be no "threat of destruction " if Jews had bought the land they live on instead of driving people off of it with armys
02:27 PM on 04/11/2010
A good start to reduce the number of nukes is to end Arab fanatism. No Arab fanatics, no nukes needed.
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Richard Pearce
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03:35 PM on 04/11/2010
Did the heels click that time?
Tony Andrews
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09:50 PM on 04/11/2010
Any nuclear weapons that Israel has are entirely useless to it in any conflict that it might be likely to become involved in.

Do you remember Chernobyl and its after effects, when not ONE nuclear weapon was deployed?

If Israel truly wants to be a part of the international community (and many, including me, have doubts about that) then it needs to sign up to the NNPT, open its facilities to inspectors, and stop being so darned stupid.
10:15 PM on 04/11/2010
The logic of deterrence is based on the assumption that Israel's enemies - Syria,Iran, etc. - would recognize that they could not destroy Israel without causing their own destruction. This threat did not have to be explicit - rational decision-makers would understand the implications and act accordingly, even without overt declarations and nuclear tests.
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07:19 AM on 04/12/2010
Logic has had little to do with Israels dealings with its neighbors , After driving Arabs (Muslim christian and druze) into neighboring countrys for them to deal with of course they wont look at Israel as a good neighbor,
01:40 PM on 04/11/2010
Muslims are waging a global war against all non-Muslims. The nuclearisation of Muslim countries cannot be tolerated.

The West has been too lenient in his appeasement policies toward Arabs because the current behavior of Muslim countries would have never been tolerated in any Western countries.

Muslims must end their war against the West.
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Richard Pearce
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03:24 PM on 04/11/2010
I wonder, did you have a hard time using the keyboard with your right arm and hand pointed up at a 45 degree angle?
04:00 PM on 04/11/2010
This explanation from Arik5555 is a perfect example of doublespeak which Orwell was the first to explain and demonstrate. Otherwise known as the "big lie" , promulgated by Nazi propaganda minister Goebbels, human intelligence will believe extraordinary things if they are presented in an assured and competent manner, - especially when the lies are presented as a COMPLETE reversal of the truth. "War is Peace" is a good example.

The Jewish HASBARA publication, (check the web), is an attempt to integrate position, and present Jewish thought regarding the theft of Palestine land by Jewish immigrants, and the ways that arguments can be structured to justify this, and all the other atrocities that come with it. If the Israelis are murdering Arabs and stealing their land, the Hasbara instructs that the news (or web comment) should be presented as Arabs killing Jews and trying to "remove Jews from their historic homeland". The more proposterous the claim, the easier it is to get it believed by a generally ignorant, uneducated and trusting readership, such as exists in the United States. When spurious arguments fail, Hasbara instructs its adherents to change the subject to the holocaust, and Jewish victimhood, or to the god-given right of Jews to return to their ancient homeland.

The proof of Arik5555's use of this propagands technique is this. Take every statement that ascribes actions to Arabs or Muslims, none of which are true, and see if they have not ACTUALLY been carried out by Israelis and Jewish interests.
09:01 PM on 04/11/2010
Prove me that the way I am describing Arabs is wrong.

BTW, where have you hidden the mythical moderate Arabs?
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12:25 AM on 04/12/2010
I find it interesting that you use the word "hasbara" instead of "propaganda". I wonder if you you make the effort to use the original language of a word when discussing other nations? I bet you don't. I think you use "hasbara" as a nod and a wink to others that share an underlying belief that there is a world-wide Jewish conspiracy to control ...well everything. Those that hold these beliefs are anti-Semites. You see where I'm going with this, right?
10:11 AM on 04/11/2010
The START agreement and the tragic terrorist attacks in Russia critically inform one another. Working with Russia is a no-brainer, but emulating their brutal “enhanced interrogation techniques†and military solutions to terrorism can only spark furious retaliation:

http://www.theinductive.com/blog/2010/4/6/eagle-and-bear-whos-a-hawk.html
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08:53 AM on 04/11/2010
This explains res 194 about the right of return for 4 million Palestinians. very interesting.
Beyond these bodies of laws, which apply to all refugees in the world, the UN General Assembly specified the Palestinian case in Resolution 194, paragraph 11, which sets forth a framework for a solution to the problem of Palestinian refugees, including the possibility of return: “The refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the governments or authorities responsible
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/ror.html
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08:46 AM on 04/11/2010
Here is, I think, the best and most informative piece written about the 4 million Palestinians that were thrown out of their houses and now live in refugee camps....do not miss this opportunity to learn the truth as you will never see or hear anything like this on your local news channel.

................http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/ref-halsell.html.................................
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muck-raker
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09:01 AM on 04/11/2010
the link above will not work as "something" was added to it.....try this..
http://http//www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/ref-halsell.html
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muck-raker
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09:02 AM on 04/11/2010
obviously this site is playing with my link.....just delete that which is in black...

halsell.html
07:50 AM on 04/11/2010
The "club" of established governments of the world who hold power up to now appear to be following a mantra that goes something like this:

" Never allow a Muslim country to gain a military or strategic advantage over a non-Muslim country even if that Muslim country is responsible."

The same rule applies with that "club" when it comes to having nuclear weapons.

Nowhere, in the 20th or 21st century can one find an example of a Muslim country being allowed to win a war or gain an advantage, however just the cause. Be it Egypt, Pakistan, Azerbaijan, Somalia (1970's) or Palestinians.
Now, the rival of Pakistan, India, is being showered with all sorts of nuclear gifts, while Pakistan itself is being denied them and even denied being acknowledged as a nuclear power.

Terrorism and discontent emanate from people feeling that they have no stake and no acceptance in the international discussion and benefits.
It is this kind of discrimination and this kind of perception, that America, and much of the rest of the "club", should reverse if we want to see a harmonious world.
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10:34 AM on 04/11/2010
Alethia....fanned for good info...and now this...
Zionist forces committed at least 33 massacres and destroyed 531 Palestinian villages and towns. Author Norman Finkelstein states: “According to the former director of the Israeli army archives, ‘in almost every village occupied by us during the War of Independence, acts were committed which are defined as war crimes, such as murders, massacres, and rapes’...Uri Milstein, the authoritative Israeli military historian of the 1948 war, goes one step further, maintaining that ‘every skirmish ended in a massacre of Arabs.’â€9

more> ..
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/ref-nakba.html
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07:42 AM on 04/11/2010
“If our defense minister (Avigor Lieberman) wants us to live up to the claim that the IDF is ‘the most moral army on earth,’ he should welcome soldiers who speak out about illegal acts that they have witnessed or were asked to perform. In our post-war rush to elections, we unfortunately - and perhaps, conveniently - skipped over any discussion concerning the morality of what the army has done. But even our fears of one-sided international condemnation of our actions in Gaza cannot justify official attempts to silence the messenger, especially when that messenger is us.â€

here is the total article....good read...

http://wearewideawake.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1579&Itemid=230