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Jane Hamsher

Jane Hamsher

Posted: January 31, 2008 01:44 PM

Dear MSNBC: Keep the "For Sale" Sign Off Your Pundits


This exchange between Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann the other night was troubling:

MATTHEWS: I noticed that we're picking up some advertising from the various candidates here on MS. I've noticed some of the ads running on our network. And I think the more they go nationwide, the more they are going to look to the politically-conscious networks like this one where people who follow politics watch, especially around shows like yourself's (ph) and mine.

And I think they are going to be looking to our programs to advertise. I think it is going to be a very lucrative time for some people we work with and work for.

OLBERMANN: Well, that's good for us. There's a new story that's developing.

Except the real story is that campaigns are finding their money is more effectively spent on field organizing than on television advertising these days. Television pundits have a self-serving addiction to seeing elections through a lens of broadcast advertising, polling and media-friendly news clips, and they mostly don't talk about field because a) it threatens to take money out of the parent company corporate pocket, and b) they don't understand it.


Zack Exley:

But the big field story of 2008 is not about the horse race. In the 2008 and 2004 presidential primary cycles, the early states of Iowa and New Hampshire--joined by Nevada and South Carolina this year--have functioned as training grounds for a new generation of field organizers and incubators of new field techniques and technologies. The dramatic surge in early resources available to campaigns has put large staffs on the ground up to one year before voting day. These organizing hothouses--especially on the Democratic side--are producing a new generation of activists who are as disciplined and skilled as they are passionate.
Most pundits probably don't know that Barack Obama started out as an organizer, and his victory in South Carolina may have had as much to do with his campaign's superb ground game and GOTV efforts as anything Bill Clinton said. Likewise, Hillary's New Hampshire field organization was by all accounts excellent. But that just does not have the built-in drama of Hillary choking up, and gets discussed on TV almost not at all.


Matthews and others may be flogging TV advertising as the way to go, but let's look at the reality of, say, California. Horse race enthusiasts are excited because the latest Rasmussen poll has Obama pulling within three points of Hillary Clinton in California. Where will the votes of Edwards supporters fall? Very dramatic stuff. Could go down to the wire, right?

Except that half of the Democrats registered to vote in California will do so by "absentee ballot, and voting started on January 7. And this, unsurprisingly, is in larage part due to the efforts of the...wait for it...highly competitive, extremely organized field campaigns of the candidates. And since many people already cast their ballots prior to John Edwards dropping out of the race, who his votes would have gone to is a moot point to them.

And though it's still an apples and oranges affair, the most accurate point of comparison for what might happen in California is what happened with absentee ballots in the closed primary of a state that talking heads kept telling us was not even worth talking about...Florida.

So how much is last-minute television advertising going to matter in a state like California? Some, but probably a whole lot less than you're going to hear about from the people who stand to benefit from it. And having newscasters breaking the boundary between news and advertising to push the company product is both misleading and inappropriate.

Jane Hamsher blogs at firedoglake.com.

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11:28 AM on 02/03/2008
I was appalled that MSNBC did not allow Kucinich to debate while he was still running as a candidate. I expected this from FOX and even CNN, but am saddened that this morning, even C-Span had on a journalist who kept giving reasons why Hillary can and will win, while Obama won't.
Journalists are supposed to be objective, report facts, show evidence and allow the electoral process to take shape via the voting public. Marginalizing or refusing to allow one or more candidates to publically debate on national television is a disgrace, whether it's Kucinich, Paul or anyone. The MSM in this country is corporate-controlled, and the so-called un-biased, fair "expert" journalists are promoting at the behest of their corporate sponsors. It's censorship at its worst, even surpassing state or government control over the media.
A lunatic like O'Reilley, snake like Rove, or a vile Limbaugh are who they are, and probably a big reason why most folks are turned off to FOX. But when we start seeing networks like NBC, CNN, and now even C-Span analyzing, predicting and telling us who the winners are before the election even takes place is nauseating.
09:47 AM on 02/03/2008
Turn off corporate parrots of propaganda and keep the internet open. I don't want to get my news from PRAVDA either.
07:43 AM on 02/03/2008
I watched Matthews interview Hillary and she told him that he was obsessed with her and he said he was not. Wrong, I agree with Hillary, Matthews IS obsessed with her and the Clintons and has been for years. I used to enjoy Chris, but he asks his guests long-winded questions and never lets them respond. It's all about him. Keith O. is enjoyable, but he better watch out or people will turn him off, if he decides to become a shill for the corporations alla...George Steph.
06:06 PM on 02/02/2008
Like I have said throughout this campaign, MSNBC stands for MORE SEXIST NEGATIVE BIASED COVERAGE!!
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luckyt
11:33 AM on 02/02/2008
I think a lot of people are catching on to the fact that MSNBC is no Different then Fox and that Keith is turning to save his job.
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gevan
the pilgrim has landed
03:29 AM on 02/02/2008
Matthews and Olbermann shows seen...two hours every week day. Field organizers seen or talked to...none so far. State primary...Tuesday February 5th. Here in the tiny insignificant state of New Jersey we are left to figure out who we will vote for with the help of our TV sets. Good luck with the training mission, anyway.
09:19 PM on 02/01/2008
I've had a problem with Matthews for quite some time and emailed MSNBC numerous times. Now Olbermann has jumped on the bandwagon. He spends a great deal of time attacking O'Reilly, but I'm still waiting for him to look at some of the people on his own network. I used to be a fan of Olbermann, but now I see he's just another hypocrite and media shill. I wonder if anyone noticed the nasty, snarky interview he had with HRC the night of the Florida primary. MSNBC is totally off my list now. I know they are tanking in the ratings and they think that trashing the Clintons will improve them. Wrong, they are just losing more viewers and deservingly so.
09:11 PM on 02/01/2008
thanx jane,,those boys needed a scolding.lol
05:59 PM on 02/01/2008
MSNBC = The male version of "The View"

rarely any discussion of issues ... gossip and everyone spewing an opinion ...

and don't forget those programs on MSNBC glorifying prisoners and killers and yes ... catching child molesters ...

tools ... all of them!
05:36 PM on 02/01/2008
Had enough? Contact MSNBC to tell them what you think.

Mr. Phil Griffin,
Senior Vice President, News
NBC Television Network
30 Rockefeller Plz
New York, NY 10112
phil.griffin@nbc.com

Steve Capus,
President, NBC News
steve.capus@nbc.com

MSNBC
letters@msnbc.com
MSNBC/Microsoft-NBC
30 Rockefeller Plz
3rd Fl
New York, NY 10112
(212) 664-4444

Chris Matthews
hardball@msnbc.com
02:51 PM on 02/01/2008
How right you are Jane! That's why "news" has given way to "commentary" and "analysis", and why our electorate is as ill-informed about politics as our high school grads are about life and the learning it requires to live successfully. It's why we were told who our leaders were, rather than deciding for ourselves. It's made the whole process into an episode of "Survivor", if not worse... "American Idol" springs to mind... And our younger voters lap it up hook, line, and sinker.
02:35 PM on 02/01/2008
Thanks for the posting. I just called MSNBC to complain about their anti- Hillary coverage especially by Chris Matthews. I have the number but I don't know the legal implications of posting it on the web.
I encourage others to call them and make their views known that we cannot tolerate their bias coverage of the campaign.
02:22 PM on 02/01/2008
Why people still bother to watch t.v. is beyond me. The pundits are nothing more than carefully groomed corporate puppets with bad predictable jokes. The ad commercials are nothing more than a string of loud, invasive, strategically placed lies full of really bad actors telling us about the miracles of Clorox or about the bummer of prostate issues and erectile dysfunction... but oh how their whole life became happier, more fun, more enjoyable, more satisfying once they got PILLS, PILLS, PILLS, PILLS. Face it, people, if your still watching the Big Brother screen, you're a loser. There's nothing worthwhile to be found on t.v.
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02:10 PM on 02/01/2008
MSNBC is the Best News around. Chris, Keith and Dan are the best. Chris does get carried away sometimes but he gets reeled in. Keith has the BEST Commentary on TV. David Shuester is one of the best investigative reporters anywhere.
01:52 PM on 02/01/2008
Keith Olbermann is the only adult they have in their stable. He's intelligent, witty, un-intrusive...everything his colleagues are NOT.

Sure, he's got an ego the size of Dallas; but if that's what enables him to come up with those biting "Comments" and his critiques of idiots like O'Reilly and Bush, I can certainly forgive his egoism.