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Just How Elitist Are You? Murray's 'How Thick Is Your Bubble' Quiz

Posted: 02/29/2012 10:57 am

In a critical review of Charles Murray's book Coming Apart yesterday, I argued that he fails to explain either the scope or the reasons for the growing gaps between income classes that are the subject of the book.

This being Murray, cultural gaps loom large as well. His hypothesis is that elites and others are growing ever farther apart along cultural dimensions, and the book even has a test so you can see how out of touch you are. Here it is with my answers. Go here to see how he scores the results.

1. Have you ever lived for at least a year in an American neighborhood in which the majority of your 50 nearest neighbors probably did not have college degrees?

I think so, but not for a while -- my current neighborhood is just as wonky as Murray would predict. I'm sitting in my home office looking out at the homes of two lawyers and one esteemed budget analyst. My bubble starts out a bit thick here, I'm afraid.

2. Did you grow up in a family in which the chief breadwinner was not in a managerial job or a high-prestige profession (defined as attorney, physician, dentist, architect, engineer, scientist, or college professor)?

Most of my life, the breadwinner was a teacher, so quick, hit me with some non-elitist points (that breadwinner was a single mom, with which Murray has issues, but I'm still claiming credit here)!

3. Have you ever lived for at least a year in an American community under 50,000 population that is not part of a metropolitan area and was not where your college was located?

Nope -- I get dinged on this one -- I crave urban access. Truth be told, I moved from NYC to D.C. in '92 and I still miss the big city... the music, the food (bagels, pizza -- at least I'm not talking elite cuisine here), the diversity.

4. Have you ever lived for at least a year in the United States at a family income that was close to or below the poverty line? You may answer "yes" if your family income then was below $30,000 in 2010 dollars. Graduate school doesn't count. Living unemployed with your family after college doesn't count.

Yes! I was a struggling musician for years. This may be more artsy than Murray has in mind, but struggling is struggling, no?

5. Have you ever walked on a factory floor?

Yes, but mostly with the Vice-President during tours related to the Recovery Act, so this doesn't help me.

6. Have you ever held a job that caused something to hurt at the end of the day?

Assuming pride, ego, and paper cuts don't count, no.

7. Have you ever had a close friend who was an evangelical Christian?

A relative, who I'm crazy about, so I'll take partial credit on this one.

8. Do you now have a close friend with whom you have strong and wide-ranging political disagreements?

I do! We generally avoid talking about politics, but when we do, we actually work hard to find things we agree on, and lately we've been having good conversations about the Republican field.

My bubble is getting thinner!

9. Have you ever had a close friend who could seldom get better than Cs in high school even if he or she tried hard?

I think so, but at least in one case, I'm sure s/he would be diagnosed with something if they were in primary school today. In fact, s/he might be some sort of genius.

10. During the last month, have you voluntarily hung out with people who were smoking cigarettes?

No... go ahead, ding me. Like the beer question below, happy to lose points on this one.

11. What military ranks do these five insignia represent?

[See link for insignias.] Well, no... but I showed them to my wife who grew up in a military household and she didn't know either so I'm not gonna take a penalty here. In fact, I'm gonna take some points for marrying so wisely.

12. Choose one. Who is Jimmie Johnson? Or: Have you ever purchased Avon products?

My bad -- don't know Jimmie J and haven't purchased anything from Avon... recently bought way too many Girl Scout cookies, which I don't think is elitist but who knows? [Wife didn't know JJ either... neither did kids... it's partly a regional thing, I think. I know who he is now, though, so I learned something from Coming Apart.]

13. Have you or your spouse ever bought a pickup truck?

No, but my sister has one so I'm gonna claim non-elitist points on her behalf!

14. During the last year, have you ever purchased domestic mass-market beer to stock your own fridge?

No, and go ahead and whack me for this one because I love a good, dark Belgian beer and can't stand the stuff he's asking about here. I gladly take bubble points on this one. But I also wonder if this isn't really an elite's view of non-elites. I'd like to learn more about who's drinking what before I lose credit here.

15. During the last five years, have you or your spouse gone fishing?

Choosing your lobster in a fancy restaurant doesn't count, right? (Kidding! -- I know that lobster's delicious but don't like eating the little guys.)

16. How many times in the last year have you eaten at one of the following restaurant chains? Applebee's, Waffle House, Denny's, IHOP, Chili's, Outback Steakhouse, Ruby Tuesday, T.G.I. Friday's, Ponderosa Steakhouse.

A lot! I rack up some real anti-bubble points on this one. My wife is trying to penalize me because a TGI Friday's we recently visited was at an airport which she claims doesn't count... I do not accept such arbitrary scorekeeping, and besides, I recall enjoying the meal quite a bit.

17. In secondary school, did you letter in anything?

Um... no... but that's at least partly because I was... um... uncoordinated compared to many of my colleagues. Frankly, I think it's elitist of Murray to ding me here because I can't hit foul shots or a curve ball.

18. Have you ever attended a meeting of a Kiwanis Club or Rotary Club, or a meeting at a union local?

Yes! I've been a member of two different unions in my day, local 802 (musicians' union in NYC) and I was a founding member of the union at the Economic Policy Institute (I know... Murray would definitely withhold points for this one, and it's true: we weren't particularly a burly membership... but we were feisty (and we knew management feared us -- can you imagine a strike at EPI!))

19. Have you ever participated in a parade not involving global warming, a war protest, or gay rights?

Again, yes! That bubble of mine is getting awfully thin. I recently marched in a George Washington Parade and also the great, annual Halloween parade down Alexandria's Mt. Vernon Ave.

20. Since leaving school, have you ever worn a uniform?

I'm sure a tux to Obama inaugural events doesn't count, so ding me here.

21. Have you ever ridden on a long-distance bus (e.g., Greyhound,Trailways) or hitchhiked for a trip of 50 miles or more?

Whew... back on track... I have! I've taken the cheap bus to NYC a few times, and it wasn't bad at all. And for the relative price -- compared to other modes of transport up there -- it's hugely net-present-value positive.

22. Which of the following movies have you seen (at a theater or on a DVD)? Iron Man 2, Inception, Despicable Me, Tron Legacy, True Grit, Clash of the Titans, Grown Ups, Little Fockers, The King's Speech, Shutter Island.

Saw Despicable Me with the kids... it was OK, but much better were Tangled (which I loved) and the one with a similar plot to Despicable Me but where the villain was blue -- and he turned out to be a good guy in the end -- Will Ferrell was his voice... you know which one I'm talking about?

23. During the 2009-10 television season, how many of the following series did you watch regularly? American Idol, Undercover Boss, The Big Bang Theory, Grey's Anatomy, Lost, House, Desperate Housewives, Two and a Half Men, The Office, Survivor.

None of the above... again, happy to lose points for not watching too much TV.

24. Have you ever watched an Oprah, Dr. Phil, or Judge Judy show all the way through?

No... (oh no, bubble thickening...!)

25. What does the word Branson mean to you?

Nothing... darn... a weak finish.

But without scoring myself, I'd say my bubble's not that thick. Former union guy, sister's got a truck, wife's a former Air Force brat, rides the bus... OK, I like quality beer and don't watch Nascar... nobody's perfect.

This post originally appeared at Jared Bernstein's On The Economy blog.

 
 
 
 
 
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jstrate
06:55 PM on 03/06/2012
I'd say this social scientist may be in need of remedial work in research methods. Such courses typically include a chapter on measurement, reliability and validity, and how to go about constructing indices and scales. To be sure, the bubble index is a lot of fun! Since his main interest is in the underclass, however, his efforts would be better directed at developing a valid and reliable measure of underclass.
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DSevere
Deviant mind
06:54 PM on 03/04/2012
Ok, according to this I'm halfway elitist. Have previously been a starving writer, my current neighbors in downtown L.A. are a wholesale produce company, an art collective, and homeless guys, and a bunch of my friends smoke. Have watched Judge Judy and Dr. Phil. and once went cross country on a Greyhound (me and my punk boyfriend. We figured out a way to stay drunk for the entire trip. ;) )

However, I don't eat in crappy chain restaurants, have no interest in fishing, have only lived in NYC, L.A. and Seattle, and have no Christian friends...
11:07 PM on 03/04/2012
So spend a few evenings at Red Lobster and "git saved" -- haha. ;)
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blisster
Need more micro-bio fuel for my mitochondria
09:53 AM on 03/03/2012
An effete test.
09:46 AM on 03/03/2012
If you look at Murray's book, he does have data to support that these are some of the characteristics of the majority of Americans. He doesn't suggest these are all of them, by any means, or that they apply to everyone. The point is, if you can't identify with a majority of these, then you are pretty out of touch with who most Americans are.
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Absolute
Teacher and Old-School Liberal
09:46 AM on 03/03/2012
This just confirms that "the elite" know next to nothing about the "non-elite".
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GaryNOVA
Fear My Micro-bio!!!!!!!!
08:07 AM on 03/03/2012
I'll have my people call your people about this test. or maybe i won't. I might already be booked.
07:00 AM on 03/02/2012
I score quite high on this "access test," yet I know few people who have less admiration for the average voter than I.

However, my opinions have less to do with who people are than whether they try to be caring human beings and responsible citizens.

In my opinion, Murray's view of "elite" is simple-minded and out of touch with real people. Does that make me elitist or anti-elitist?
06:13 PM on 03/01/2012
"But I also wonder if this isn't really an elite's view of non-elites."

Umm. . .the whole thing is an elite's view of non-elites. If you can't recognize that, congratulations, you're an elite.
maxfax
Taa - dah!
11:45 PM on 03/01/2012
an elite's view of non-elites" Sounds to me like Romney.
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lensamy
Humpty Dumpty was pushed.
01:33 PM on 03/01/2012
hmm some of this questions actually apply to me. So does that make me an elitist? Mind you, I grew up in the ghetto, never got a C in college, use to wear an uniform while working as a waitress... this is flawed...
-swift
Can you put your country before your party?
12:52 PM on 03/01/2012
How much beer do evangelicals drink?
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FearlessFreep
A radical leftist with a JS Woodsworth avatar.
11:22 PM on 03/01/2012
I'm the ultimate elitist: I don't drink beer at all!
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Tre Members
Inna world fulla hate, Love is revolution
12:39 PM on 03/01/2012
I'm an elitist. I have began to believe that the road to enlightenment, like the road to freedom, is not traveled by the masses. Meaning, I think that most people are ignorant-- see how elitist I am, I felt the need to clarify my original statement because I expect that the majority of people won't be able to fully comprehend what I've written...
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littlepuffycloud
I propose a toast to my self control...
05:05 PM on 03/01/2012
In other words.....
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FearlessFreep
A radical leftist with a JS Woodsworth avatar.
11:23 PM on 03/01/2012
IMHO most people are ignorant but teachable.
12:14 PM on 03/01/2012
By that idiot test, my current life is highly bubbled. Essentially the main puncture in it is my time at what is essentially a co-op shooting range. But I worked my way through college as a machinist and instrument designer and have walked the factory floor (I am an engineer).

But I was never a member of or follower of the popular culture. I like classical music, for dance music I like polkas, waltzes, and eastern European folk dance. I read astrophysics papers for relaxation.
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deluk
disgusted.
11:36 AM on 03/01/2012
Is the picture supposed to represent elitism, because they are a bunch of kids from a city academy in East London (UK), pretty much the opposite of "elite"
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10:47 AM on 03/01/2012
Even with a masters degree, I am still non elitist, hurrah.
10:44 AM on 03/01/2012
I know I live in a bubble for one good reason. I never, ever, ever thought that GW Bush could win a second term. Let this be a warning, get out and vote in November.
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JoeyDee2
I know what just passed here
10:56 AM on 03/01/2012
He didn't win the first.
11:59 AM on 03/01/2012
That's one of the reasons why the SCJ's are so important.
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FearlessFreep
A radical leftist with a JS Woodsworth avatar.
01:02 PM on 03/01/2012
He probably didn't win the second either.
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CenaW
Did you know AOL belongs to A L E C
10:07 PM on 03/01/2012
He didn't win any election.