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Occupy Wall St.: This Is Not a Head Scratcher

Posted: 10/04/11 02:09 PM ET

Last night I heard a story on NPR about the Wall St. protest that is now spreading to other cities. The gist of the story was: "what are these protests really about? What do they want?"

I'm sorry, but that's just not a head scratcher. Do these news analysts think it's a coincidence that they're occupying Wall St. as opposed to Columbus Ave north of 79th?

As Andrew Sorkin put it today (after writing that the message was "at times...hard to discern"):

... the demonstrators are seeking accountability for Wall Street and corporate America for the financial crisis and the growing economic inequality gap.

I'm not saying everyone down there is ready to give a clear exposition of the facts of the case, but commentators can stop scratching their heads now.

I've been writing about these problems for decades. Sometimes they've gotten a little better, but mostly they've gotten worse. Before the downturn, the share of income held by the top 1% was 23.5%, the highest since 1928 and more than twice the 10% level of the late 1970s.

These are growth shares, as in they have to sum to 100%-when one group's share goes up like that, everybody else's has to shrink.

That doesn't mean real income values can't rise for other groups, of course (though it does imply slower relative growth, compared to the high end). But in fact, the middle class and the poor haven't seen that either... the decade of the 2000s saw middle-incomes decline in real terms for working-age households. The recession just made those incomes fall faster.

Protest movements are often born of two interacting injustices: the lack of opportunity and the lack of accountability by the persons perceived to be blocking that opportunity.

Given the facts of the income distribution, the trends in real middle-class incomes and poverty, the failure of policy to do much to change these trends, the government bailouts of the only class that's benefited from the recovery so far, the absence of clear punishment/accountability for the financial and political institutions that helped inflate the debt bubble that continues to squeeze economies across the globe, and the dysfunctionality of the current political system (they're arguing more about whether they can keep the lights on than whether they can help solve the economic problems), the more interesting question is what took so long for such protests to show up?

Update: A colleague sends me to this site which puts a face on much of the above (hat tip: HS).

This post originally appeared at Jared Bernstein's On The Economy blog.

 
 
 
 
 
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davidf5841
01:34 PM on 10/09/2011
Several people have made comments on my posts about wall street, specifically that the usefullness of there demostration will be diminised as time goes on, and that is the truth. The problem is truely with wall street and the banks, but the real issue is becoming the banks, and the Democrates who think they can pass regulations on fees banks charge to stores and businesses that limit income of banks, without repercussions and that is not possible. Keep government out of business as much as possible. Let the consumer show there dicontent with Bank of America and Citi Bank. Right now there is a huge wave of sentiment against them and people are moving there accounts from those banks to smaller Banks that still offer those same services free. Eventually those banks to big to fail will fail or change there ways. Hope fully they will fail as they should have. We would have all been better off by now and there would have been not need for legislation and we would not have the debt we have now been saddled with. Remember if the money that was given to the banks was given to americans there would have been no repossessions and most Americans would have little if any mortgage dept. Republicans and Democrates are both to blame for this mess.
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12:47 PM on 10/06/2011
I will be joining my local protest, which is something most all Americans should have done two year ago, way before the Arab Spring or the London protests.

The reason I said "most Americans" is that if about 40% of Americans would vote, and about 50% of these voting Americans would vote Republican, then 20% of all Americans firmly believe in the Republican agenda.

Now, the Republican agenda has been blatantly and shamelessly for the benefit of the Rich. If we consider making $250,000 a year as rich, then the Rich is only about 3% of all Americans. The 17% of Americans who are NOT rich at all -- like the infamous and laughable Joe the Plumber -- strongly believe in their fate and fortune to become rich one day.

This brain-washed idea that every American can become fabulously wealthy is fraudulent and impossible, because the seats are already taken by the top 3% and they have bought enough politicians to make sure that they stay in their seats for eternity to come.

Unlike the lottery, most Americans, say 90% of them, do NOT have an actual chance of becoming wealthy like the top 3%. But like the lottery, most Americans, say 97% of them, would always LOSE.

So let the 17% continue to believe in their pipedream. But the rest of us, the 80% Americans, should stand up, take power, and change how America fundamentally operates. Go march on the streets. Because the next best thing will be a
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01:38 PM on 10/06/2011
... revolution!
10:19 PM on 10/05/2011
This Just In! - Reports of police violence at the protest just now. There was a huge protest throughout the day, where we got together with several other unions that joined our cause. We marched through the streets and met them at City Hall. You would be amazed by the numbers, it looked like Woodstock. I climbed the steps to a structure in the center of the plaza, and everywhere around, you could see nothing but people. It must have been in the thousands.

The protest went peacefully for me. When we returned to the plaza where the people are camping out, everyone was excited with the progress we'd made, and I there were much more people than we'd started out with. There was talk of marching on Wall Street again, but I didn't see anyone go, and I went home since I was tired. Now I'm hearing there's been some police brutality there. Reports of mounted horses, batons, and pepper spray. See this video taken from the protest site:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW6HUf9cLt4&feature=youtu.be

I'm amazed, and I wish I'd stayed to help my brothers and sisters.
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Boletus
Fungus A. Mungus, misanthropocentrist
02:56 PM on 10/05/2011
What part of "NO" don't they understand?
02:33 PM on 10/05/2011
The Occupy Wall Street is welcome and long overdue. The growing disparity of wealth in this country is appalling.The predatory credit card practices that have been not only allowed but approved by our government are nothing less than shameful and should have been criminalized. Corporate ethics, with too few exceptions, are almost non-existent. Is there anything that is considered poor business or unethical if it is done under the umbrella of stockholder profit?

What will be the fabric of this country when fewer and fewer people believe that the American Dream is an anachronism that applies to a very small percentage of the population? By the way I am not an unhappy, 'unknowing' young person or a someone who feels a sense of entitlement. I am an upper income male in my mid-60's with a substantial net worth.
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LafAtChristianFairyTales
Capitalism's End-Game: Stripped planet and no jobs
02:02 PM on 10/05/2011
Why is 'class warfare' a bad thing? All of history is class warfare - it's a dynamic balance between those who work for a living and those who own for a living. The ownership class has been waging ruthless full-on class warfare since Ronald Reagan, actually, since FDR. And they are getting really really good at it. They've become fabulously effective liars. They have to be good liars because the tippy-top of the financial pyramid is, by definition, a minority. So the only way they can win elections is to use fear, hate, race, homophobia, bible-thumping and empty flag-waving nationalism to get gullible segments of the working class to vote for their top-tier tax cuts.

Their lies are vertically integrated starting with the phony-baloney Koch-funded think tanks parading as academic institutions. Output from the think tanks feeds Fox News and the screeching mouthpieces like Colter, Limbaugh and Beck. Plus they own puppets like Justice Roberts who deliberately reached down into the lower courts to bring the Citizens United case to the Supreme Court.

Uneducated christians and the angry and confused rural working class have been voting GOP ever since Reagan because they hear the word 'tax cuts' without ever pausing to ask 'tax cuts for whom?' or 'for how much?'. And now the TeaParty astroturf is the crowning achievement - their biggest lie of all. It's warfare, folks, sorry, no other way around it.
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hangdogit
Progressive with some Libertarian (abolish DEA).
12:27 AM on 10/06/2011
Exactly -- fanned. The 99% has shown that they are fed up and will not take it any more -- good for them/us!
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12:07 PM on 10/05/2011
MAYBE WE WILL HAVE THE 60's ALL OVER AGAIN ??
Viper
Former repub, still repenting
11:16 AM on 10/05/2011
Many still seem to think that this depression was caused by just subprime... Yes when that fraud went bust , it was a problem..But subprime hasnt been a problem for years! And subprime blew up in part because of Wallstreet speculation(up 400% since 2001 dereg from 1936 protections under FDR) driving up energy and food prices 400%, thus causing the FED to raise interest 5% to fight inflation, which raised all the interest on variable and teaser loans causing defaults along with $4/gal gas, food prices and health isnurance increases of 300%.property insurance increases of 200%. Cost increassed more than over the last 30 years in just 8 years.All Wallstreet polciy related.

Wallstreet wrote intentionally bad loans(paid mortgage brokers 2.5Times as much to write them), so they could unload them with the promise of subrpimes, their higher interest rates, hired property appriasers who drove up/appraised high the real estate market, bought naked insurance (CDS) on the bad loans they sold while then shorting the market they had inflated... and using our own deposits to speculate on commodities with 20 to one leveraging(and still doing this as repub block reregulation)....

The real problem is when the credit bubble burst/trained the swamp, it revealed a nonexistant real economy creating no jobs, 60,000 factories outsourced,no job creation in 8 years other than government. The killer was the outsourcing of 30 million jobs under repub free trade.. thats doesnt exist!.

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A biocitizen is 3/5 of a corporate citizen
11:05 AM on 10/05/2011
I suspect the people who compare the protestors to "hippies" had parents who complained about the anti-war protestors during the Vietnam war. It never struck home to them that the protestors are the direct reason the US eventually ended the Vietnamese debacle that cost us 60,000 American lives and the money it still costs to care for the physically and emotionally wounded soldiers from that war.

No doubt their parents also complained about the "troublemakers" during the civil rights era. Again, they don't acknowledge that the protests accomplished great good.
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3RawBob
My Bible: the Jefferson Bible
10:54 AM on 10/05/2011
I find it amusing that these economists are commentating on the demands, or lack thereof, produced by the protesters. Turning the spotlight around, what have the economists to say about solutions. Can the economists even define what composes the economy? No. (MV=PT doesn’t work.) Do the economists have any ideas that are universally accepted? No. Greenspan said that his biggest mistake was not understanding that CEO’s would rather make themselves rich rather than have a successful corporation. This has not changed under Ben Bernanke. Unbridled thievery rules Wall Street and the banks. Sorry that the protesters can’t demand specific regulations, but at least they are bringing it to public’s attention.
Viper
Former repub, still repenting
11:20 AM on 10/05/2011
Bernake a repub has supported some reregulation and at least green span was worng about his ideas that Wallstret could regulate it slef. It cant and that what cuased the crash along with outsourcing 30 million jobs and 80% of our industry and 50% of our high tech)! while we have repubs getting elected who want to repeal the little reregulation that was done(and less of which is implemented yet) , the EPA and everything else.. even when the problem we are in were caused by de regulation done in 2001 and doing away with protections placed in operation in the 1930s to prevent another wallstreet mess.. which worked for decades.. until Repubs/Bush.

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kmeccat
life is just a series of adaptations
11:46 AM on 10/05/2011
great post! #393!
10:41 AM on 10/05/2011
The next year will be one of attempts by groups both large and small to find their "comfort zone".
But they will not succeed, something much greater is underway.
10:50 AM on 10/05/2011
And what, in your opinion, is this "greater something?" Do you envision a 'one-man-one-vote' democracy? Keep in mind, if you do, that the French tried to put that in place, and wound up beheading each other for a few years before the complete collapse that followed. Do you imagine some kind of 'soviet' governmental structure? Remember the utter failure of the russian 'confederation', not to mention the death of millions in the archipelagos. What, exactly, do you think this "greater something" is? If you can postulate 'something' that is better than the admittedly imperfect, but beautiful, economic and governmental system that the USA now has - - I might listen. It will have to be good.
10:31 AM on 10/05/2011
I'll try this once more, to see if the moderators are afraid of fair and sincere questions, as it appears. You folks who are protesting: I will defend, to the death, your right to do that. Having said that, someone please tell me - - what will the system look like, if you get everything you want in the "American Spring?" How will wealth be created? (Wealth, not money). How will goods and services, which we all need, be distributed in your system? Who will own property in your system?
10:43 AM on 10/05/2011
They are not creating a new system. They are protesting the unfairness in the current one. While 20% of the population owns 85% of the wealth (Pew report), of those in the 20% class, about 90% are third generation inherited. These are not brilliant people who pulled them selves up by their boot straps, or created or added anything of value, they were simply smart enough to figure out how to be born in the right family. Meanwhile, the 80% of the population who have only 15% of the wealth, find themselves in a rigged game in a system designed only to protect the status quo.
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ClevelandLib
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10:46 AM on 10/05/2011
Wealth will be created with labor, not parlor tricks and speculation that squeezes pennies from the pockets of the people who can ill afford it while enriching a privileged few. We had plenty of wealth in this nation before the Reagan Revolution when deregulation of the market and the attack on the working class first reared it's ugly head.
10:53 AM on 10/05/2011
It might be a good idea to come up with some kind of a business plan for the new government. That way people could make a choice. (If they had a logical alternative)
10:54 AM on 10/05/2011
And how will the goods and services created by all this labor be distributed, without concurrent investment in capital goods to do that?
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davidf5841
10:26 AM on 10/05/2011
The protesters have made there point. It is time for those who have nothing to add to his economy (the protesters) to move on. There point has been made. There civil unrest has been viewed by all who watch television and listen to the radio. The only thing that these protests can do, is to get more violent than they already have been. It appears that at this pint the protesters will not be satisfied until someone is killed or seriously injuried. Sit in demonstrations, are important to bring attention to an issue, but this has gone on long enough or are the protesters going to push this to the point where like the demonstations at the democratic convention in Chicago and numerous people are injuried or killed. Is that what there point is and how productive is that. Not very all it does is turn people off to their cause.
Viper
Former repub, still repenting
10:33 AM on 10/05/2011
Yes, the civil right protestors should have kept at it for just a few weeks...lol..
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ClevelandLib
Unless
10:52 AM on 10/05/2011
The protesters are the people that actually HAVE something of real value to add to this economy. They are students up to their eyeballs in loans who can't find jobs, the unemployed laid off in large numbers to fund a CEO's ridiculously huge compensation package, they are the public workers laid off by Tea Party governors who used that "savings" to give their corporate benefactors big tax credits, they are teachers, construction workers, our neighbors, our friends and our families. They are the seniors who worked themselves to the bone their whole lives and paid into the system who can't retire because Wall Street's gambling wiped out their saving.

Those who have destroyed our economy...the "sh!tty deal" makers, speculators and hedge funders, the let-them-eat-cake creeps...they are the ones who have NOTHING to add to our economy...in fact they are the ones who do nothing but take from it.
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Dennydorite
To Serve Man--A Cookbook
10:25 AM on 10/05/2011
When you have a country that focuses on immediate gratification, avoidance of discomfort, instant profits, short term gains at the expense of long term planning, along with a misguided sense of itself and its place in the world, should it be a surprise to anyone that we have the mess we do? What is the common denominator with all of our current and myriad crises? The diseased belief system that promotes the idea that bigger is always better; that enough is never enough; that wealth is the true measure of happiness; that power over others is the ultimate achievement, that "success" is measured by the house you live in, the car you drive, or the clothes you wear.. Our religion, our architecture, our educational system and, above all else, our economic apparatus all reflect the mis guided principles of consumerism and materialism. Until we change that nothing else will ever change.
10:16 AM on 10/05/2011
I went to the site on the update link. 1/3rd of the people truly had unfortunate circumstances. They should be helped. 1/3rd just made bad choices (part of life in any imaginable scenario). 1/3rd seemed like they would never be able to make it in any type of economic system.
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ClevelandLib
Unless
10:53 AM on 10/05/2011
Funny....when I went to the site I saw 100% that realize our system is broken.