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On the October Jobs Report

Posted: 11/04/11 11:00 AM ET

The jobs report for October just came out. Headline numbers:

Payrolls up 80,000. That's below the average of the past year -- about 125,000 per month. Once again, private sector jobs went up (104,000); public sector, down (-24,000).

Unemployment ticked down to 9%.

Revisions to September and August added about 100,000 on payrolls, cumulatively, to those months.

We're just very much stuck in a slog here. The private sector is expanding at a snail's pace, while state and local governments continue to cut jobs. It's a vicious cycle where weak employment growth is leading to weak wage* and income growth and that's dampening consumption and GDP growth. And as long as consumers remain strapped, it's hard for me to see why corporations sitting on trillions in cash reserves would invest here as opposed to expanding, emerging economies elsewhere.

Meanwhile, Congress remains in a fantasyland, wallowing in a well-deserved 9% approval rating and blocking every idea that might actually stimulate some job growth.

I don't mean to get all statistical on you this early in morning, but I always like to think about the confidence intervals (statistical reliability) around these employment numbers.

For the payroll survey, the 90% confidence interval for the monthly change in jobs is about 100,000; for the Household survey, it's about 400,000(!).

The means that monthly numbers at or below those levels are statistically indistinguishable from no change at all (more precisely, they will be 90% of the time).

I raise this today because I suspect we'll hear some people get all jiggy about the growth of employment in the Household survey of 277,000. But that's well below the confidence interval of 400,000 (the sample size is a lot smaller in the Household survey; ergo, the wider confidence interval).

That doesn't mean there's no information in the headline numbers for months like October, where the change in both employment numbers is statistically insignificant (as is the change in the unemployment rate, by the way, from 9.1% to 9%; on the other hand, the increase in private sector payrolls of 125K is significant). If you average over a bunch of months, you're essentially increasing the sample size and that gives a more reliable read (which confirms the slog I mentioned).

But let's not forget our stats 101, America!


* Year-over-year, wages were up 1.8%. Consumer prices are rising, as of September, by 3.9% meaning real wages-the buying power of paychecks-are falling.

This post originally appeared at Jared Bernstein's On The Economy blog.

 
 
 
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Soulsurfer
Solar Electrician,Longtime Surfin'Fool
11:28 AM on 11/05/2011
Ther are millions of jobs there to be created, by creating the most energy efficient, resource sustainable society ever envisioned. Our consumer based economy is a trap, where the more we consume, the more jobs are created, and then more consumption. We're running out of 'stuff' to make 'stuff'. Metals, fossil fuels (yes, I know we have enough coal to make electricity for hundreds of years....that's not comforting), water, fisheries, forests are all in steep decline. Reviving our economy to do the same old self consuming is dumb. It's time to move forward, put people to work developing truly sustainable processes so we can continue to exist. Of course the regressives just don't want to change, they're scared and lazy, and the ones in charge have no financial interests in changing. But if the US, and the rest humanity is going to continue to exist, this is really the only path. Otherwise, wars, genocide, mass starvation, and a fight to the death for the remaining resources. We have a choice to make, and not much time to do it.
11:16 AM on 11/05/2011
The main stream media keep hammering on unemployment almost everyday. But, strangely, they never offer any suggestions or recommendations on how to improve the situation. They are also very kind to
Congress even though Congress is the major impediment to job growth. On the other hand, they are
higly critical of China on almost anything their government does. Now, only if they would do the same
with our Congress as they do to China sometimes, perhaps job growth will drastically improve.
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DougDeWitt
progressive social-capitalist
09:25 AM on 11/05/2011
"Year-over-year, wages were up 1.8%. Consumer prices are rising, as of September, by 3.9% meaning real wages-the buying power of paychecks-are falling."

And Congress fiddles while Rome is burning to the ground...
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TheGreatRenewal
Naming the next paradigm
02:56 AM on 11/05/2011
You jest for sure. This is NOT a chicken or the egg issue.

'And as long as consumers remain strapped, it's hard for me to see why corporations sitting on trillions in cash reserves would invest here as opposed to expanding, emerging economies elsewhere'.

Big Business caused this mess and instead of creating work/jobs they are going elsewhere and keeping their money out of country. Here's a list of jobs we can create by the millions right now. But big business won't do this because they only want 'consumerism' of goods/services to feed their bloat.

Get real.
Build  millions of miles of bike and horse paths

Replant diversified forests, grasslands and hedgerows

Tear down derelict buildings and parking lots and plant urban farms

Retrofit all buildings

Build light rail and trollies

Clean up every creek, stream, river, lake, beach

Put solar hot water and micro wind on all buildings 

Develop clean energy

Put water catchment on all buildings

Modernize water, sewage systems

Put all power lines under ground
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Soulsurfer
Solar Electrician,Longtime Surfin'Fool
11:29 AM on 11/05/2011
That's a good start.
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Josh Crawford
Just the facts, man!
12:58 AM on 11/05/2011
Until demand picks up, companies will not be hiring new people. Until people have jobs (i.e. companies start hiring) demand will pick up. The conundrum becomes apparent. And since the "private sector" has proven time and again that they are willing to sit on the sidelines (atop their giant piles of cash and record profits) until demand picks up, who is left that could possibly "jumpstart" demand? That's right, the government!!! The fact that we are looking to CUT government spending (eg cutting 24,000 government jobs in October) instead of increasing that spending (especially on infrastructure projects and jobs for teachers, fire fighters, nurses, police, etc) is absolutely insane! The TeaParty mentality is threatening to make a bad situation MUCH, MUCH worse...in both the short AND long terms!
Viper
Former repub, still repenting
03:21 PM on 11/04/2011
The first law of our very first congress was a tariif on imprted MFG goods so we would make things here. Our founding fathers were not free traaders and obviously smarter than Reubs todya, who has conservatives back then and like today supported the rich aristocracy.

Ther has always been a global economy and lower wages. There will be going forwards a permanent growing worker surpluse, educated and uneducated with robotics, office automation...

There was a worker surplus created by assembly line MFG long ago, solved by lowering the work week from 70 hours to 40 and raising wages, addding overtime.. which increased demand, requiring more production and more jobs.. and weekends created leisure industries and more jobs.. and more entreprenuers who had free time to start a business..

Repubs /robber barons did not see these results then or now.. just a race to the bottom economy. Wrong then and wrong now.

Regards
10:55 AM on 11/05/2011
I'm certainly not about to defend any Republicans, but the Democratic Party is just as on-board with the disaster that is free trade. This includes the White House, which pushed for (and recently signed) free trade agreements with Panama, Columbia, and Korea.
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01:58 PM on 11/04/2011
It's time for a change to a trickle-up economic policy in the US. Tax the top, subsidize the bottom with single payer health care, free education and job training and free child care for working parents. Then, watch America boom and blossom.
Viper
Former repub, still repenting
02:48 PM on 11/04/2011
Along with 18% export rebates like the rest of the world, anti outsourcing regs, make it here to sell it here like in China, national industrialization plans and 25% import tarrifs like in Communist China, if acounry charges us 25% and noting that it will take masive investmnt to undo 30 years of stupid deindustrialization and the loss of high tech which goes to where the MFG is..

In the rest of the world coporations are required by law to put the good of the country before the good of the company..we are the opposite here.

Single payer for everyone does not need to be subisidized(our currecnt system is subsidized ) as it cost half as much to cover everyone with better coverage and outcomes as now... Its a 50% cost savings, and a 20% drop in the cost of MFG in the U.S.


Regards


Regards
gmikejake
resist evil
04:03 PM on 11/04/2011
Thank you. Even though we are "exceptional," can't we learn from others? China, a communist country, is doing very well. Many of the countries with a bit more socialism in their economic mix, on a wide variety of indices, are doing much better than us, particularly those 5 in the "Nordic Plan."
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CMontalvo
stranger in a strange land
01:38 PM on 11/04/2011
"...Congress...blocking every idea that might actually stimulate some job growth."

That's where you're wrong, Mr. Berstein. Because there are NO ideas that "might actually stimulate some job growth." We're in a CREDIT recession, caused by excessive PRIVATE borrowing and exacerbated by excessive PUBLIC borrowing. The way to "stimulate some job growth" is to pay down debt...PERIOD!

Yes, I know...you'd REALLY like to believe that YOUR party's solutions (whomever you support) would fix this mess. But they can't. This is NOT a time for Washington to act but rather to sit on the sidelines, allowing creditors to slowly begin to bring down their indebtedness and consumer spending to recover from its sugar-high of mortgage equity consumption. Government action can ONLY prolong a recovery, while shifting the burden onto the shoulders of those least culpable.
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01:55 PM on 11/04/2011
Infrastructure spending funded with taxes on the wealthy would stimulate job growth. It's Obama's position. You've missed the boat and not, I suspect, for the first time.
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CMontalvo
stranger in a strange land
02:33 PM on 11/04/2011
Lessee, where do the wealthy keep that money that would go to taxes? In investments. So if that money is taken OUT of those investments, dontcha think there might be some impact on the economy? What might that be? Less money to loan to small businesses who create most of our new jobs? Less money for business expansion? Less money for home loans to help revive a comatose real estate market?

Obama's promising you a free lunch. Tax the rich. "They've got all that money under their mattress." WRONG!
Viper
Former repub, still repenting
02:01 PM on 11/04/2011
Paying down debt while a good idea in good times, creates no Jobs unless the private sector makes up that drop in demand.

When Bush took over we were on target to pay off the reagan debt by 20011 and be debt free, instead repugs and WS went on a drunk and paid for nothing.

How many people are employed by making mortgage payments .. zero! Now if they bought a car with those payments, then people would be employed to build the car.


Major Companies dont have a cash problem, the most cash in the last 20 years. But major companies over the last 3 years have not created a net job in the U.S. between them and worse outsourced 30 million.

Pls tell me where you studied economics...?

And your solution was tried in 1929 under Hoover ( a milder problem than this, since then we had trade surpluses, not gone 8 years with no job creation, and funded our own debt, made stuff) for 4 years.. the results was a growing derpression and FDR being elected.

Regards
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CMontalvo
stranger in a strange land
03:17 PM on 11/04/2011
Well, admittedly, it's been a few years since I got my MBA from UCLA (marketing/finance) but I do still remember a few things (and your background?).

You're under the impression that FDR ended the Great Depression? Back to history class, Jocko. And Hoover did what lots of progressives would like to see Obama do. He passed the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act to protect American jobs. Google that bill to see how well THAT worked! And (unlike you) being a non-partisan, I'd be the first to characterize Bush as one of the most fiscally irresponsible Presidents in modern history. But that only reinforces the dilemma that I referenced. We have too much private debt AND we have too much public debt. Until that's reduced, we're going to be in a slump.

You can continue to imagine that there's a "free lunch" solution here but any actions taken will simply push a full recovery out that much farther.
01:32 PM on 11/04/2011
Funny; a social worker playing statistician
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seanny53
Things fall apart, the center cannot hold
01:57 PM on 11/04/2011
Bernstein is neither a social worker nor a statistician. He's an economist, and I'm guessing you're not.
02:20 PM on 11/04/2011
He's not an economist He has a BFA in Music, a MSW in Social Work, and a PhD in Social Policy

He's neither a statistician nor an economist, and doesn't have a quant background
02:39 PM on 11/04/2011
PhD in Social Welfare

Not statistics field, not economics
Viper
Former repub, still repenting
02:02 PM on 11/04/2011
Phd in Economics...
02:20 PM on 11/04/2011
Nope "social policy' (giggle)
Giordano Bruno
Flaming Librul
01:27 PM on 11/04/2011
It appears to me that the distinction, these days at least, between private and public sectors is largely theoretical. The precedents have been established for years: regulatory agencies failing to fail to enforce environmental legislation being a prime example. The fanciful recycled supply-side, trickle down theories are designed to promote greater wealth accumulation among the most fortunate, and to fund future campaigns of incumbent congressmen, who espouse policies which led to the enormous budget deficits they pretend to decry. Meanwhile functional literacy declines as does investigative journalism, and the very dumb downed electorate is hoodwinked by slick talking shysters like Mr. Cain. Our Commander in Chief squandered his opportunity by being over conciliatory with a truculent and stubborn loyal opposition. Is it any wonder that the world looks to China for economic leadership?
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CMontalvo
stranger in a strange land
01:53 PM on 11/04/2011
Isn't it possible that the "most fortunate" beneficiaries of our economy are actually the "most deserving", in light of the "functional literacy declines" to which you reference? That "dumbed down electorate" you describe is also increasingly a "dumbed down workforce", undeserving of the middle-class lifestyles that were previously EARNED by their predecessors.
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02:03 PM on 11/04/2011
Is it possible that a CEO is worth 350 times what his workers are worth? No. Anyone who works deserves a middle-class lifestyle.
Viper
Former repub, still repenting
02:08 PM on 11/04/2011
50% of the those in the top one percent, stem from inherited welath,. much often dating back to the days of the Robber Barons... The number one way of being well off is inheriteance whether Trump, Koch, Bush or Kennedys

In the days of the robber barons,. there was no middleclass, just sweat shops and 70 hour work weeks for peanuts.

By you logic the middleclass that developed under New Deal Demand Capitalism from 1930s to 1980 due to Unions, min wage, over time, 40 hiour work weeks, cheap state colloges, did not deserve to do well either... lol

Educatio dropped in America as it did in the middleast with the rise of relgious fundalmentalism.. no suprise there and today we have a major party that is anti science, fact and history.


Regards
01:24 PM on 11/04/2011
I have read every thing posted here... and you all never think deep enough and this sight won't let me take the room to get my thoughts in in one place at one time...our problems are not what you can get in in a TV sound bight...sorry...and they are longer than a NFL fans attention span...if you wold really like to know my thoughts..get your e mail address to me and I'll send them...this blabber here and by our pun-dents is just going in circles ..the same ones that they have gone in for the last thousands of years....you people are too stiff necked to listen to those of the arts and humanities..and where has it got you ?...the old viking...oh not all of my thoughts are original...some are from people in the past with letter behind their name...that never make the news...
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jacobomorales
01:22 PM on 11/04/2011
Jarred
Good to know we have a few smart people left in the country. Keep up the good fight.
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shawshank
The unseen ones prop up the visible world...
01:45 PM on 11/04/2011
Smart? Or pessimistic.
Viper
Former repub, still repenting
02:12 PM on 11/04/2011
Given a 30 year trend and increasing jobless recovereis and a msaller percent of the population in the work force each year, 30 million jobs outsourced while the population grew by 90 million, declining wages over 30 years other than at the top one percent. 60,000 factories closing under Bush(80% of our private industry gone) and 50% of high tech lost with High tech now employeing less people in the U.S. than when the first PC was build.... I think its fact based.

Regards
01:19 PM on 11/04/2011
You claim state and local governments are cutting back however the number of federal employees has risen 12% since Obama took over. Hmmmm? More control or just more sandbag jobs?
Viper
Former repub, still repenting
01:47 PM on 11/04/2011
Another Lie! Actaully FED employment just now passed the 1990 peak reached under Regan/Bush1 which saw the largest increrase in FED government and declined under Clinton...

The population increased over 60 million since then, a 20% increase! So the FED government increase is far below the rate of population increase.. its up about 3%.

Note hwen the repubs kill the economy andd create one fianical disaster after another, whenther it be 1929 or during Reagan, the FED eomployment has already had to expand to pick up the slack, proces more FED recovery spending and etc.

Pls note that in 2001, the reppube were handed a .5.5 trillion surpluse which would have paid off the reagan debt and left us debt free by 2011 and a tentrillion surplus by 2021. RFepoubs turned that into a 31.5 trillion increase in debt swing.

Obama inherited 1.7 trillion deifcts in BUSH last budget year and ten trillion in the FED rolling budget debt, he has not added to that.

Regards
01:09 PM on 11/04/2011
As long as Obama is president, there will be no recovery. The people who hire know that he detests them. And look who the opposition offers. Romney is the only one who is remotely reasonable. This depression has a long way to go. And all Obama knows is borrow and spend (on your supporters). Borrowing for prosperity is like Fing for chastity.

The Keynes model was for temporary borrowing to prime the pump, not a trillion or two every year. We are headed for a grim reckoning.

The only way hiring will return is if the tax and regulatory environment were drastically change to favor growth in something other than government. It ain't happening with Obama. Ah for Marx's wet dream -- the whithering away of the state. If only.
Viper
Former repub, still repenting
01:53 PM on 11/04/2011
So when Bush was in office, why were no private sector jobs created..LOL.. Where were the 24 Million Bush tax cuts jobs.. Why alo was the job creation rate under reagan 50% less than under Carter or Clinton? And that dismal job performance was done by trippling our debt an doubling the size of government.

And why since 1980 did the fortune 1000, create no net jobs but did outsource 30 million jobs and 80% of our industry?

And why did under Bush 60,000 factories close and wages drop `4%.. its not like business did not get the tax breaks and deregulaton they wanted with a repub congress for 14 years and the WH for 8 years! And no job creation, while doubling the debt that reagn tripled? really more than that since he was handed surpluses!


Regards
02:23 PM on 11/04/2011
While I question your facts, the reason is that the government has run amok and all people want to talk about is which party is worse. Divide and conquer. Guns and butter. Prepare for lower living standards, drastically lower purchasing power of the dollar, chronically high unemployment, and social unrest, until markets force the government to abandon its totalitarian social objectives.
11:08 AM on 11/05/2011
Read up. The countries with the MOST regulation are growing the fastest - Germany, China, Brazil, India, etc. Use your head and don't listen to rich man's propaganda. The argument that reduced regulation will create jobs is pure hogwash. This problem we have now is due solely to concentration of wealth at the top and reduced spending power of everybody else.
10:09 AM on 11/07/2011
Too much concentration of power in washington. You want to be like China? You call that regulation? It is state capitalism and the workers and environment be damned. There are also cultural differences at play.

It is globalization and our failure to compete that is costing jobs. Redistribution of wealth will just drive capital overseas. The tax code is the biggest impediment to job creation. We have to reinvent ourselves competitively, through the marketplace, not the halls of congress and the executive branch. Solyndra shows just how inept they are.
01:07 PM on 11/04/2011
You people laugh at my comments about unemployment but... it seems all you scholary thinking isn't working either is it...supose there is a message there some place.....some thimes you need to hit th mule in the head with a 2+4 just to get it's attention so you can talk reasonable to it...an't your head sore enough by now to listen so some who may not be afraid to point out things you don't want to hear or are you satisfied to go down with the ship..sticking to you ways no mater what...am man yesterday on this sight with no fans had it right when he stated something along this line....with all their education they don't make sense...that two of us who just come out and say it besides the others who hint at it....don't you think it's time to take a clue...the old viking