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Rep. Ryan Reality Check

Posted: 10/28/11 01:55 PM ET

Two points with regards to things I've heard Rep. Paul Ryan say in recent days.

First, he's downplayed the increase in income inequality that's gotten a lot of play out of the new CBO study. His claim is that there's enough mobility in the American economy to offset any increase in inequality.

I examine that claim in some detail here but to summarize, imagine the income scale as a hotel with floors that improve as you go up. The basement is funky; the penthouse, sublime. Rep. Ryan's argument is that sure, the distance between the floors may have grown -- with increased dispersion of incomes, there's a greater economic distance between the top and the bottom -- but the rate at which people move between floors has accelerated.

Except for it hasn't. There is no evidence that the rate of mobility has increased -- there's some evidence that it's slowed (though other evidence shows no change). In fact, according to mobility data covering a few decades, relative to their cohort (families in the same age range), most families end up close to where they started in the income scale, i.e., either in the income fifth in which they started or in the one either above it or below it (see tables 1-2 here).

Second, in a radio interview this AM I heard Rep. Ryan claim that the Republicans on the deficit reduction super-committee were in fact putting revenues on the table. That surprised me since I'd thought they'd pledged to stonewall on that point.

Well, according to this report most of what they're calling revenues are not what the Democrats, including the president, are thinking about -- we're not exactly talking shared sacrifice here:


"...about $440 billion appears to be generated instead by increased government fees, high patient co-pays under Medicare, for example, or increased Part B premiums charged to higher income beneficiaries -- many changes that Democrats also accept but feel do not address the larger tax issue.


On the tax side, changes in the CPI would again yield some revenue, but the greater share of the tax revenue here -- about $200 billion -- is attributed to the impact of future tax reform spurring economic growth."

This kind of spinning is precisely what makes people throw up their hands in disgust re American politics. It's a main reason way Rep. Ryan's institution -- the Congress -- has a 9% approval rating. And remember, if you're all about less government, regressive tax cuts, unleashed corporate power, less regulation, more privatization, YOYO economics (you're on your own), you want people to tune out.

So I say let's piss them off and tune in!

This post originally appeared at Jared Bernstein's On The Economy blog.

 
Two points with regards to things I've heard Rep. Paul Ryan say in recent days. First, he's downplayed the increase in income inequality that's gotten a lot of play out of the new CBO study. His cla...
Two points with regards to things I've heard Rep. Paul Ryan say in recent days. First, he's downplayed the increase in income inequality that's gotten a lot of play out of the new CBO study. His cla...
 
 
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metalborg
currently alive
02:34 AM on 11/22/2011
I thought "every man for himself" was the central philosophy of Buddha ? ;]
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nypapajoe
01:35 AM on 11/01/2011
Here's the problem, the Republican majority are Multi millionaires who are being financed by even wealthier people who own everything who in turn give millions of dollars in political contributions to help them keep their wealth and earn Billions more by deregulations! You and I will never ever benefit from any of these tax incentives and subsidies because we are not members of that elitist club! Like in the Rome Empire corruption and greed dictates you don't! I will take socialism any day to Fascism!
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Larry Motuz
Lawless markets lead ill-gotten gains.
11:05 AM on 10/31/2011
Plus la change, plus la méme chose.
07:33 AM on 10/31/2011
Rep Ryan must think mobile phones are a sign of economic mobility
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Larry Motuz
Lawless markets lead ill-gotten gains.
11:06 AM on 10/31/2011
and more people riding bicycles, of course.
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03:06 AM on 10/31/2011
Article on NYT highlighted the failure of business leaders&elected officials like Republic'CONS' Paul Ryan:

"Citigroup had to pay a $285 million fine to settle a case in which, with one hand, Citibank sold a package of toxic mortgage-backed securities to unsuspecting customers — securities that it knew were likely to go bust — and, with the other hand, shorted the same securities — thatis, bet millions of dollars that they would go bust

Our Congress today is a forum for legalized bribery. One consumer group using informatio­n from Opensecret­s.org calculates that the financial services industry,including real estate,spent $2.3 billion on federal campaign contributi­ons from 1990to2010,which was more than the health care, energy,defense,agricultur­e and transporta­tion industries combined. Why are there 61 members on the House Committee on Financial Services?So many congressme­n want to be in a position to sell votes to WallStreet

Capitalism&free markets are the best engines for generating growth and relieving poverty — provided they are balanced with meaningful transparen­cy, regulation and oversight. We lost that balance in the last decade. If we don’t get it back — and there's now a tidal wave of money resisting that — we will have another crisis.And, if that happens, the cry for justice could turn ugly.Free advice to the financial services industry: Stick to being bulls. Stop being pigs."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/30/opinion/sunday/friedman-did-you-hear-the-one-about-the-bankers.html?src=me&ref=general
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Larry Motuz
Lawless markets lead ill-gotten gains.
11:09 AM on 10/31/2011
Re: "Free advice to the financial services industry: Stick to being bulls. Stop being pigs."

They are neither today. They are predators.
10:25 PM on 10/30/2011
I know many "Christians" who truly believe that the poor are not worth helping. They will tell you the poor should seek help from their congregation, not the government. The problem with that program is that the congregation only helps the "riteous," turning away the sinner. Ask any good "Christian" how many poor families their church is supporting. My wife's parents were Christian missionaries for 25 years until poor health and old age forced them to retire. Do you think their sponsor congregations supported them in retirement? If it weren't for social security they would have starved waiting for help from the church. The only reason the Christian Right preaches charity and giving is because when the hat is passed, they can look the other way.
12:04 AM on 10/30/2011
Raise taxes to same rate as the 1960s. Make it harder for presidents to start wars. Quit sending jobs to China. It's really that simple.
original joanie
liberal teacher
01:30 PM on 10/30/2011
And tariffs to equalize the playing field like Canada does.
07:24 AM on 10/31/2011
china imposes a 17% value-added tax to imports. Food for thought.
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rtx47
10:44 PM on 10/29/2011
We had 'Voodoo Economics" - Left-wing in Krugman and Reich similar to President Reagan's Right-wing's "trickle-down" and "Laffer Curve". Self-serving spin masquerades as 'Innovative thinking' and displacing commonsense.

Recession and joblessness are golden opportunities for economists and sociologists to re-set society; whose priorities are mis-aligned at national, community, corporate and individual levels.

At national level, military expenditures over four decades made us no more secure. Some may classify this as wasted financial and human resources.

In communities, well-meaning activities are wasted resources; like $2 trillion on healthcare. Yet >50% is spent treating preventable illnesses and end-of-life care.

At corporate level, Wall Street enriches those who work there and related sectors; without making economy more efficient. There is much hype and spin.

At individual level, generation ago, one was rich with $80,000 annual income (single earner). Today that's just above poverty line. Due to divorce, 50% families live in two homes. Others have large homes (compared to our parents), yet, there's no room for elderly parents or indigent relatives.

Added expense to stressful lifestyle, includes frequent eating-out with alcohol and other entertainments. This expands the economy, creates jobs but not new wealth; merely circulating existing financial resources. Such behavior makes families poorer, relying on government for catastrophes.

Spending money we don't have, creating jobs we don't need is current mantra. There are many ways to create needed jobs. Many, like healthcare or IT jobs, don't necessarily involve federal or state spending.
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flacpa
A liberal CPA? Go figure
10:59 PM on 10/29/2011
I'm not sure what your point is. But unneeded jobs? Like police, firefighters, emts and teachers. I think not
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rtx47
08:53 AM on 10/30/2011
My point - to repeat - is that we need to re-set our priorities. Having a high standard of living while going deeper in debt is not a solution.

Having a difficult time paying bills?

Reconcile with the (divorced) spouse
Move in with parents or vice-versa
Eat at home more often.
Reduce those entertainment costs
Poor in America live better than the middle-class in most of the world

NY spends about $15,000 per student (most in the country) and its students are 48th in the country. And your solution is more teachers?
11:58 PM on 10/29/2011
Whatever it is you're smoking, put it away.
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flacpa
A liberal CPA? Go figure
10:07 PM on 10/29/2011
Sometimes I get tired of all the rational arguments we make. All the statistics on income inequality, poverty etc. Here is the thing..what we are doing to the poor, the sick and the least among us is just plain wrong and immoral.
During the health care debate I was talking to a person totally opposed to any reform. He asked a simple question. Why do health care reform when we needed jobs. My answer was simple. Because people are dying. And we need jobs too. He had no answer. How could he be infavor of people dying needlessly?
I'm not a Christian but as I remember Jesus expelled the money changers from the Temple. He cared for the sick. He helped and loved everyone regardless of social position. That sounds like a good philosophy to emulate to me. If it was good enough for Jesus why isn't it good enough for the so called Christian right.
10:46 PM on 10/29/2011
Because Evangelicals have invented a religion that strips away all the inconvenient restrictions of living a moral life, and instead focus only on their eternal reward by forging a "deep and personal" relationship with Jesus. As if such a thing is possible while ignoring his most fundamental teachings. As if the omnipresent and all-knowing God could be tricked so easily.
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flacpa
A liberal CPA? Go figure
11:56 PM on 10/29/2011
Well said.
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debqd
Forward, not backward
10:02 PM on 10/29/2011
Jared, I wish I could give you a Huff Post badge! Great article.
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unwashedmasses
RECALL WALKER
09:56 PM on 10/29/2011
Paul Ryan wants desperately to be somebody.
Well, he is somebody. A 'nobody' from Janesville.
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flacpa
A liberal CPA? Go figure
10:55 PM on 10/29/2011
LOL. I keep thinking of the scene from Steve Martin's movie the Jerk, how fitting where his character says" I'm somebody. I'm in the phone book"
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builder101
VOTE!
08:58 PM on 10/29/2011
Several comments on this thread contain excellent, accurate information explaining our lack of income equality. I am sad to report, while I find these charts and facts great, the millions of Southern Americans GOP- God, Guns and Liberty voting block will never read or even care about Americans economic truths. I live in Texas, a state that has returned Rick Perry to office many times, and see first hand how effective the GOP message is with this group - They will vote completely against their own financial interests every time! The only way possible for a centrist or progressive candidate to succeed is through voter turnout. Please get involved and WORK to elect a progressive candidate or you may have Rick Perry as President in January of 2013.
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mad tn dem
Surrounded by Republicans But Won't Be Silent
07:43 PM on 10/29/2011
I continually vacillate between two possible explanations for the spin that the unholy trio (Boehner, Cantor, and Ryan) perform whenever a camera is pointed their way. One, they believe, as they have for the last few years, that the public will believe anything if it's repeated enough, or 2, They cannot veer from nor alter in any way the talking points given by their corporate masters on fear of money withdrawal; I've heard the symptoms are very severe and could result in loss of elections. In the end it doesn't matter which scenario is correct, they're going down in 2012! Go OWS!!!
09:07 PM on 10/29/2011
Why vacillate? All THREE sound almost certain to me!
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mad tn dem
Surrounded by Republicans But Won't Be Silent
11:21 AM on 10/30/2011
You're so very right! It's difficult for any sane, caring human being to believe any country could be actually contemplating the coldblooded policies of the republican party and allow the idea of "conservatism" to cover just wanting those that cost money to just die. This country has the the tiniest chance left to find it's soul, and if it doesn't, I wonder how the history books will compare us with the Romans...I bet they'll be the more humane.
original joanie
liberal teacher
07:04 PM on 10/29/2011
I wonder what the polls show for Ryan? Is he coming up for reelection?
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TomHunter
Author of "The Butcher of Leningrad" (a thriller)
08:39 PM on 10/29/2011
Every two years.
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debqd
Forward, not backward
10:03 PM on 10/29/2011
He is. Send $10 to his great Democratic opponent -- Mr. Zerban.
06:48 PM on 10/29/2011
YOYO economics (you're on your own).

Great, have to remember.