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Say Anything, Cain Version

Posted: 10/14/11 05:47 PM ET

I debated Herman Cain's economic advisor, Rich Lowrie, last night on the Larry Kudlow Show. A key point here is that the plan, which Bruce Barlett calls a "distributional nightmare," radically shifts the tax burden from high-income households to everyone else. I focused on the median household, and Lowrie either doesn't understand the implications of the plan or he's deliberately misrepresenting it.

For a $50K household, married couple, two kids, all income from earnings and standard deductions, the current tax burden is $8.3K. Under 9-9-9, that would grow to $13.5K, an increase of over $5,000 (hat tip: CCH, BS). The Washington Post fact checker came to a similar conclusion. Ezra Klein too.

(I expect that any minute now the Tax Policy Center will release a slew of data supporting these points with their much more detailed tax model.)

But Lowrie wouldn't accept that conclusion. In fact, he asserted that their federal tax would be lower because they'd move from a 15% payroll tax to a 9% income tax. This, as I said on air, is "patently wrong."

First of all, assuming they plan to exist, they'll need to consume stuff, and thus they'll also face the 9% sales tax. That already makes their tax rate 18%, higher than the 15%.

But as Michael Linden points out, and this is widely agreed upon by tax economists, the incidence of the 9% tax on business income (which denies businesses a deduction for wages paid) also hits them, which is why former Joint Tax Committee chief of staff Ed Kleinbard described the tax as a 27% payroll tax for families whose incomes derive from earnings (note that Lowrie is perfectly comfortable with the standard assumption assigning the incidence of the employers side of the payroll tax to the family -- this one re the business tax is equally standard).

For a family with $500K, same assumptions as above, their tax bill would fall by $44K.

But where this plan really gets regressive is when you get up into the families who derive their income from non-labor sources. While the details of the plan are fuzzy when it comes to capital gains and dividends, it seems clear that those earning thousands or even millions of dollars in these types of non-labor income would enjoy a massive tax cut. And that would further widen the disparity between the highly preferential treatment of capital gains and dividends on the one hand, and the taxation of "ordinary" wage and salary income on the other.

We've got enough income and wealth inequality coming from the pretax distribution -- we don't need to exacerbate it through the tax code.

Middle class families that depend on earnings will pay more taxes under the Cain tax plan. High income families will pay a lot less. His advisors who say otherwise are misleading the electorate and that must not stand.

This post originally appeared at Jared Bernstein's On The Economy blog.

 
 
 
 
 
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Richard Pearce banned
Never let them tell you it can't be done.
08:45 AM on 10/17/2011
Saw Cain being interviewed, and he was trying to sell the idea that that 9% sales tax would be offset because the middlemen who presently cover the cost of their taxes through markups as goods move through the chain between the raw material producer and the consumer will, for some reason, decide that they should no longer cover those costs through markups. He never did offer an explanation of where these businesses would get the money to cover those costs if they didn't do it through markups, though.
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Raw Ron
Fox news: we distort, you comply
02:52 PM on 10/16/2011
I still for the life of me cant understand what kind any middle class voter would support a Republican.
05:36 PM on 10/16/2011
The ones who know a Free Market is the only way to move UP!!
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wrightthewrong
Medicare for All
06:32 PM on 10/16/2011
Free market? What a joke!
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Find the Truth
Spencer and Little Girl
09:03 PM on 10/16/2011
Apparently you don't know that the big corporations DON'T want a free market....

They like things just as the are now...

Rigged in the Fortune 500's favor....
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mbazid
Just smile and nod
09:20 AM on 10/16/2011
This is further proof that the right can only hear talking points and refuse to see what is what is sitting on the tip of their nose.
satyrday
If my micro-bio is way too long, will it be trunca
08:42 AM on 10/16/2011
And it's amazing how his low income sheep followers just eat it up.
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SolarPowerGuy
Ph.D., Immunology; Solar power @ home; Green Party
01:04 AM on 10/16/2011
When I see "9-9-9", I think, "Nein, nein, NEIN!!!"
BlackbirdHighway
Brawndo's got electrolites!
01:03 AM on 10/16/2011
If you want to have a little fun just ask people what they will do if they have to pay a 9% sales tax on everything. The answer is unanimous: "I'll stop buying things". If everyone stops buying things the economy will grind to a halt.

The 9-9-9 plan is an economic lethal injection.
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gen-x mom2
09:06 PM on 10/16/2011
I posted something similar on another article about Cain. You need to stimulate middle class spending, not slow it down. This will plan would probably cause more lay-offs in the retail, and service industries since no one is spending. Plus the some people don't seem to realize the 9% federal sales tax is in addition to state sales tax. My state has a 7% sales tax so under the 9-9-9 plan it would be like paying 16% sales tax.
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chaz
11:36 PM on 10/15/2011
More proof the Republicans own the media. Cain's economic policy is absolutely insane and yet he's leading the polls.
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Wong23
Card-carrying Progressive
10:41 PM on 10/15/2011
Rich Lowrie is not really an economist.

He just plays one on right wing radio.
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wrightthewrong
Medicare for All
06:33 PM on 10/16/2011
He slept in a Holiday Inn Express...
10:20 PM on 10/15/2011
I'll take deliberate, gross misrepresentations for $300, Alex...
chux3863
There's no next time.It's now or never
09:40 PM on 10/15/2011
The bubble is about to burst as soon as people start to vet this 9-9-9 plan his run will be over !
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Common sense for all
dare to stand up against the far right
08:56 PM on 10/15/2011
The whole idea about the 9-9-9 plan is to lower taxes for the top 1% while everyone else should get higher taxes yet he is 1st in the polls? really do GOP want increased taxes now ( well they do on everyone but the rich)

Massive tax increase on the working poor while the billionaires will make more money ( that they already stuff in the bank account in switzerland), Worst plan ever so no doubt it has loyal support from the far right. Massive tax increases on working people yep that will get the economy going strong.
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BartRoberts
Vita canis, tum mors.
08:41 PM on 10/15/2011
Wait until the fundies realize that when you flip over 999, you get 666. This should cost him more than a few votes.
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Onihikage777
09:44 PM on 10/15/2011
I think Bachman already pointed that out.
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gen-x mom2
09:07 PM on 10/16/2011
I can't believe his last name alone doesn't turn them off.
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Passenger57
Keeping Calm And Carrying On...
07:54 PM on 10/15/2011
999 = Iceberg
Cain = Titanic...
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MassWG
07:54 PM on 10/15/2011
If you speak German, you have a good grasp of this plan's viability: Nein, Nein, Nein!
07:44 PM on 10/15/2011
The problem is that given the polls there appears to be a significant number of Americans who are stupid enough to swallow Can's garbage hook, line and sinker. This may be best example yet of why our education system has failed.
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wrightthewrong
Medicare for All
06:36 PM on 10/16/2011
Our system of education has not failed. It has done exactly what the tax-cutting republicans have planned all along.