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Unemployment Likely To Remain High... But How High?

Posted: 08/19/11 10:13 AM ET

Moodys.com is out with their latest forecast, and here's a look at where they think unemployment is headed (thanks to economist Mark Zandi for sharing these data). First, they've got unemployment going up a bit before it comes down... and even then, it's still elevated by year's end... well into the 8s.

This comes right out of the type of analysis shown here on the economic consequences of below-trend growth. Moody's GDP growth forecast for this year is 1.7%-and unless GDP is beating the trend of around 2.5%, the unemployment rate will tend to rise.

But let's look at some policy issues invoked by their unemployment forecast, particularly the impact of the payroll tax holiday (PTH) and extended unemployment insurance (UI). The president has, of course, been calling for Congress to extend these for another year given that they expire at the end of this year.

As I wrote yesterday:

These are both essential -- EPI estimates that to lose them next year would cost over one million jobs. But since they're already in the system, they don't add anything new, so it's like keeping your foot where it is now on the accelerator. If they expire on schedule at years' end, your foot comes off. But keeping them going only maintains current speed, such that it is.

Like most forecasts right now, Moody's assumes that the payroll tax holiday -- a 2% wage boost for most workers worth over $100 billion/year -- will be continued next year. That's built into their forecast.

Using Moody's estimates of the impact of these policies on growth and some of my own calculations about the growth of the labor force, one can back out the path of unemployment under two different scenarios:

- Iif we fail to extend the PTH (bad!)

- If we are able to extend both the PTH and UI (good!)

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Source: Moodys.com, my calculations


If Congress lets the PTH expire, unemployment goes up more and ends up only slightly below 9% at the end of next year. If we extend the PTH and UI, the jobless rate falls a bit further, though it would still be up there at 8.3%.

At any rate, as Ezra Klein stressed Thursday on an MSNBC segment we did today (with Zandi, no less), it's way past time to stop inflicting wounds on ourselves. Keeping these measures in the economy next year is the least we can do -- that's the starting point upon which to build other job growth ideas, like FAST!

Update: A commenter asked the good question: how do the PTH and UI have an impact on unemployment? The PTH is a 2% wage subsidy, so it puts more money in your paycheck which lots of folks then spend. The extra spending creates more economic activity, including jobs, and that lower unemployment. Similarly, people receiving unemployment insurance benefits tend to spend them with the same result: more growth/jobs than would otherwise occur.

This post originally appeared at Jared Bernstein's On The Economy blog.

 
 
 
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viper1ex19
IF IT’S FUN…….IT’S PROBABLY ILLEGAL….
12:23 PM on 09/01/2011
Why is it that every story I find associated to the "Double Dipping" law passed in 2009 been edited or removed?

The double dippers sure as hell have not been removed from holding over inflated salaried positions.
It sure would be nice to see some of these journalists grow some balls and go after these scamming idiots and stick to the story until we get some real answers and not a line of bull$hit that’s been going on for over two years.

How much money is it costing the tax payers?
How many jobs are they holding that someone unemployed could be doing instead of getting unemployment benefits?

You want spending cuts? THAT WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE TO START!
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Bob Soper
05:48 PM on 08/19/2011
Obama was craven and weak to not insist on UI & PTH for two years in exchange for a two year extension of the Bush tax cuts for the rich.
02:09 AM on 08/21/2011
Craven? Weak?
For the sake of argument -- Since you weren't there -- how do you he didn't try to get the maniximum amount he could get from the hostage takers with nothing to lose from their
craven perspective?.
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jerryengelbach
Working class heritage
05:38 PM on 08/19/2011
The payroll tax holiday scenario sounds good on paper, but the risk may be higher than the gain. If lack of payroll taxes causes a shortfall in Social Security that has to be made up out of general revenues, SS then becomes a budget item subject to the whim of Congress.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/169077-ignoring-liberal-dems-obama-endorses-longer-payroll-tax-holiday

So the PTH is inherently dangerous, and any increase in spending from it is minute compared to the increase in spending that would result from putting the unemployed to work.

Cuts are not the answer, and that includes cuts from a PTH. The U.S. needs a federal jobs program. Every leading economist advocates this. There is huge popular support for it. Only the politicians seem too stupid, or too venal, or both, to understand this.

The working class needs a labor party.
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JohnGault3
A Nation Gone to Pot
05:12 PM on 08/19/2011
What these bad economies throughout the world start to show, especially in the US and the PIGS is the futility of liberalism. Is shows that when thought through to its logical conclusion, liberalism and continually giving people something for nothing just cannot work. The chickens have come home to roost. People will have to become more self reliant and governments will have to become more fiscally conservative. Otherwise, there will be a total collapse. Could happen anyway.
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MiddleMolly
Working to better the USA!
05:24 PM on 08/19/2011
So you are quite sure it is better for the economy to have millions more unemployed without anything to fall back on? Is it better for the value of your home or your neighborhood to have a few more foreclosures sitting empty on your street? Or a family living in a tent on the vacant lot on the next block? And is it better that people qualify for food stamps vs. getting unemployment?
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JohnGault3
A Nation Gone to Pot
02:02 AM on 08/20/2011
Uh? No we need more taxpayers. It is unfortunate there is no leadership from a guy who has never run a lemonade stand. His policies are creating the millions of unemployed, the foreclosed house, the family living in a tent. I live in a state that has had 40 years of Democrat rule and like the UK, is a complete failure. We are on s**t list of every possible economic metric. Liberalism and socialism just don't work.
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04:57 PM on 08/19/2011
31 months into this adminstration, and only NOW, the President is promising a "jobs" program--but only AFTER a 10 day luxury vaction?

Not credible.

Please, respectfully, stop making excuses for Mr. Obama's incompetence.
dhodge
Atheist Libertarian, No god, No gov't.
05:12 PM on 08/19/2011
What was the rush; until lately he had just planned on extending their unemployment freebies ad infinitum so they didn't really need to get a job ever again... Wonder why the about face, printing presses at the fed broken today?
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MiddleMolly
Working to better the USA!
05:26 PM on 08/19/2011
The stimulus increased jobs, and many jobs bills have been introduced... almost all of them squashed by the Repubs. Just look at the jobs introduced in opencongress.org . And look at the initiatives he propsed in the SOTU in January. The Repubs want him to fail and they are very happy to have more and more people unemployed... They believe an unemployed public will be frustrated enough (and st#pid enough) to put a Repub back into the White House.
01:47 PM on 08/21/2011
And they may be right.
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gagaa
one for all for one
04:53 PM on 08/19/2011
the simple and quick solution is to put each and every clown in congress out of work, with no benefit.
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killarneytim
Just common sense;not L or R
04:39 PM on 08/19/2011
I don't like to admit it but I fear that high unemployment is the new norm. Since the 1950's the economy was driven by, the post war construction boom, then the baby boom, then the internet bubble then the housing bubble. Now the boomers are retiring in great numbers, and have not prepared for retirement. We currently do not have much on the horizon to drive growth and return to the low unemployment we were used to.
it is not all doom and gloom however as there are things we can do to drive growth. Hugh populations in other countries are developing and we can take advantage of this by increased exports and new technologies. Also, we now know that we have massive energy deposits here. To develop them creates many good jobs and drops our export of wealth to producing countries.
Our gov. needs to redo the corp. tax code to increase our exports and the dept. of energy,if not closed, should get together a real energy independence policy which they have been tasked with for ever.
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MiddleMolly
Working to better the USA!
05:28 PM on 08/19/2011
Many Baby Boomers actually thought they would be able to work until they were in their mid-60's. They didn't count on such a massive recession and they foolishly did not realize how hard they would be hit by severe age discrimination. Most unemployed in their mid 50's to mid 60's will never work a "regular" job again. A few years out of work when you planned on working and stashing cash for retirement after the last kid was out of the house makes quite a dent in the good old savings plans.
04:25 PM on 08/19/2011
"The PTH is a 2% wage subsidy, so it puts more money in your paycheck which lots of folks then spend. The extra spending creates more economic activity, including jobs, and that lower unemployment. Similarly, people receiving unemployment insurance benefits tend to spend them with the same result: more growth/jobs than would otherwise occur."

I remember President Obama saying, near the beginning of his administration: "We will spend our way out of this mess." Asinine economics then, asinine economics now. And the author (in the quote, above) indicates that he has drunk the kool-aid.

Question: if all this 'extra spending' will create jobs, then where are they? We have had the 'pth' around for awhile, and we are at 9% and have been, or above, for quite awhile.
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MiddleMolly
Working to better the USA!
05:29 PM on 08/19/2011
There are now more private sector jobs out there than when O took office. And if it weren't for Repub obstructionism, I'm sure there would be more.
timber1647
It's either sadness or euphoria
04:17 PM on 08/19/2011
Coming off the second worst recession ever (the 30's depression being #1) my expectation is that we will see 7%+ unemployment through 2014. It took the US almost 8 tears to go from 25% to 14% in the 30s. I don't see the timelines coming out of this recession as being much better.
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MiddleMolly
Working to better the USA!
05:33 PM on 08/19/2011
You are right. This was a very serious recession. We should be glad that we only got to 10% official unemployment and not quite a bit more.

Of course, as soon as the deficit hawks got some traction in 1937, the unemployment rate started to go back up. The fiscal conservatives just don't learn.
3RawBob
Gone Paleo: no more raw sugar
04:16 PM on 08/19/2011
Eight percent is the new five percent. It used to be that when the unemployment rate reached five percent, it was said we were at full employment. There were assumed to be five percent that were simply between jobs, collecting unemployment but taking a break. Others were working under the table, others were simply unemployable. Today’s jobs require a more skilled worker, and a lot of workers simply do not have the education or skills to get a job. I do not want all the tax dollars going to programs just to give these three percent meaningless federal jobs.
dhodge
Atheist Libertarian, No god, No gov't.
05:14 PM on 08/19/2011
That's the only type of job government can create
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MiddleMolly
Working to better the USA!
05:39 PM on 08/19/2011
Wow. If you don't know that people having income increases demand, which causes companies to hire, which causes more people to have more income which increases demand even more, I won't try to convince you of that.
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jerryengelbach
Working class heritage
05:42 PM on 08/19/2011
Meaningless government jobs. Like teachers. Cops. Firemen. The National Parks Service. Clerks to process and mail your Social Security check. Others to process your Medicare claim. Food and drug inspectors. The Environmental Protection Agency. And on and on.

Which of these would you eliminate?
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MiddleMolly
Working to better the USA!
05:37 PM on 08/19/2011
And a lot of the new unemployed are simply older. Unless you have a skillset that is in mega demand, a 60 year old unemployed person will be passed over for someone much younger. So you think it is perfectly acceptable for an able-minded and bodied 60 year old person who has worked for decades to be out of work years too early and to be facing homelessness and eating with food stamps? And is it o.k. if you have a few more empty foreclosures cluttering up your community? Won't you pay one way or another?
3RawBob
Gone Paleo: no more raw sugar
07:14 PM on 08/19/2011
Putting aside the programs that should be implemented to allow this 60 year old to accumulate assets while working, and being able to access these assets tax free when unemployed, I do not feel that this worker falls into the 5 to 8 percent I was discussing. I agree that getting hired will be very difficult, but the government should have a worker education plan with microloans specifically geared to demands in that community. Find out what industry needs, and train people.
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OleProfessor
"Ours is not a system based upon trust"
04:02 PM on 08/19/2011
Obama ad Larry Summers didn't think America was worth investing in any longer Jared, as you know but won't admit..!

Brookings did a lot of great work before the Big O took office, and knew we needed a larger Stimulus at least a full $1 Trillion but that of that we needed for 15% of it to be for Infrastructure and job creation..

Obama and Larry Summers who doesn't believe in "infrastructure" only allowed a bit less then 4% to go to Infrastructure..!

They Obama and Summers then squandered 40% of the Stimulus/ Recovery on meaningless Tax Cuts...

Brilliant..!

You have to go to Harvard and or run it, to be that stupid and arrogant....QED..!
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MiddleMolly
Working to better the USA!
05:40 PM on 08/19/2011
You do realize how hard it was to get that stimulus through Congress, don't you? We certainly did need a bigger stimulus, but don't blame O for that.
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Dan Ehrlich
03:57 PM on 08/19/2011
In the good old days, the unemployment rate, not the GDP, determined a recession. Anything over 5 percent was recession territory...Those days are long gone and may never return. High unemployment will be with us until America becomes a low wage society allowing us to compete in the global market.
But the good news is, as Third World competitors become wealthy, their living standards and wages will rise...eventually China will locate its industries here, hiring a new breed of low wage American workers. www.hard-truths.blogspot.com
dhodge
Atheist Libertarian, No god, No gov't.
05:15 PM on 08/19/2011
The way it should be!
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MiddleMolly
Working to better the USA!
05:47 PM on 08/19/2011
As long as I can remember, and that is a long, long way back, negative GDP has always been the official definition of a recession. I do, however, still call this a recession, even though we supposedly have been in positive GDP for two years now.

Employers in China are already complaining about the high cost of workers there, and there is much more labor unrest in China than we hear about here. Chinese employers are locating factories out in the provincial rural areas, where people will still work cheaper, and they are investigating locations in Brazil, Vietnam, and even Africa.
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MyOwnPerson172
Progressive because I have a brain and a heart.
03:57 PM on 08/19/2011
Hope the Republicans and the capitulating Democrats don't drown the economy so far that it can't recover.
03:44 PM on 08/19/2011
Double dippers and corrpted cmomissioners, major etc. are the problem. Let's take it all away from them and have us run the country, I am sure a child can do a better job than any of those airbaloon heads.
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Charles Vanderbilt
03:26 PM on 08/19/2011
I believe that a massive Jobs Fair effort could help the jobs situation.
This could put pressure on the big employers who would be constantly
asked to participate. The fairs could be put on all over the country
and lathered with publicity. Saturate the public with the message...
JOBS OR BUST. Since the polls show overwhelming support for
jobs, this would be a winner. ChuckV
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MiddleMolly
Working to better the USA!
05:46 PM on 08/19/2011
There have been jobs fairs all over the country. They are generally worthless, as anybody who has attended a few will tell you. No employer is going to hire somebody unless he sees a need for that person to meet a perceived or real demand for his product or service.

It would be a good way to highlight the jobs problem, but there are constant job fairs everywhere.