Our So-Called Rights

Posted September 29, 2007 | 05:26 PM (EST)



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Somebody needs to tell Rush Limbaugh that the question isn't what's a "phony soldier," but what's a phony right? Does the First Amendment apply to members of our armed forces who, ironically enough, are daily risking, and losing, their lives to defend it? Do they have the right to question the moral validity, and/or efficacy of a war without having to succumb to verbal evisceration by a glib, radically right pundit? Does the provision that protects free speech apply also to college students, like the one in Florida, who get tasered for asking unorthodox questions, and daring to imply that an election was rigged, or that a sitting president deserves impeachment?

And, what about those we've captured, and detained, without charge, or access to counsel at Guantanamo Bay, and at secret prisons around the world? What "rights," if any, do they have? Yesterday, the Defense Department announced that fourteen "high value" detainees at Gitmo have been offered "the right to request lawyers," a first step in challenging their "unlawful enemy combatant" designation before the Combatant Status Review Tribunal which might itself be described as a rigged process. (WaPo)

But, be that as it may, remember that those enemy combatants who were afforded the "right" to counsel at Guantanamo, in the past, were reportedly only allowed to see a lawyer if they confessed, or admitted guilt, first. Is it any different with these fourteen terror suspects? Did they, too, have to acknowledge crimes, and/or complicity, in order to be allowed to request representation? One wonders what, besides the obvious methods of torture that have leaked out, is taking place during these interrogations that now makes these men eligible for clearing their names?

Since their capture, the fourteen detainees, as well as more than three hundred others held at the naval base at Cuba, have had access only to their captors, and an occasional visit from members of the International Red Cross which visits have been labeled classified. They are only now being allowed the right to what amounts to military personal shoppers, those who will help them through the administrative hurdles necessary to obtain due process, something that both the Constitution, and international law, has, for more than 500 years, guaranteed them, but it appears that this process is more an administrative technicality than an opportunity for genuine adjudication.

The fact that the president of the American Bar Association, whose help in representing the alleged "terrorists" has been requested by the government, has said that he doesn't want the ABA to "lend support and credibility to such an inadequate review scheme" (WaPo) is something that should not be lost on anyone who labors under the delusion that we still have rights that would be recognizable, if only adroitly, by our founding fathers.

What can be more oxymoronic than the statement by an "anonymous" official that "the goal here is to have trials open and public to the greatest extent consistent with protecting classified information." But, clearly somebody's been reading too much Kafka, or maybe not enough, or maybe Zeno's Paradox is in syndication------"open and public trials" that still protect "classified information."

In the words of a Center for Constitutional Rights attorney who has been trying, in vain, to contact one of the detainees now allowed the "right" to request representation, for over a year, the Defense Department is trying to "put some gloss," and create the aura of legitimacy, but this is mostly lip service, and a flawed facade in light of kangaroo military tribunals, and the Pentagon's insistence that counsel get "necessary security clearance," as well as submit to a complete background check. (WaPo)

Not to put too fine a point on it, but one can't help but wonder if some in this administration, including the current commander-in-chief , were coerced to submit to a background check, if they would still be running our military. The illusory right to counsel might implode on impact were details of what was said, and what transpired, during "classified" interrogations of these detainees to mysteriously surface. How much did they have to give up, or "confess" to in order to obtain the "right" to be represented. More importantly, how far have we deviated from accepted precepts of international law that it is now considered a victory to "allow" not representation, per se, but a request for representation.

This is not an argument in favor of one like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who is among this group of "high value" terror suspects. Indeed, no one can defend the indefensible. That said, the indefensible is still entitled to a defense; at least, it was under the system of jurisprudence this country has had in place for the past 200 plus years before the advent of the current Constitutional revisionists who have consistently shown that justice goes to the highest bidder.

But, the larger question is why should anybody care about a bunch of illegal aliens being held without charge, indefinitely, and being subjected to "alternate interrogation techniques," by our government, which are so controversial that they are deemed classified, or secret. Along with the Bush jihad on terror comes the so-called Patriot Act which neutralizes the Fourth Amendment, as the Padilla case demonstrates, such that citizens and noncitizens alike get harassed equally, leaving us all vulnerable to being dubbed "terrorists," and held without charge indefinitely.

When those we capture and hold as our nation's enemy are compelled to complete a "Legal Representation Request" form in order to seek redress from a designation that has never been satisfactorily explained, the entire infrastructure of our judicial system is at stake. And, when a district judge in Portland, U.S. District Judge Ann Aiken, joins the ranks of other judges, throughout the country, in suggesting that the Patriot Act contains provisions that are unconstitutional, and that the latest revision to FISA law now enables the executive branch to "conduct surveillance and searches of Americans without satisfying the probable cause requirement of the Fourth Amendment," (AP) take heed-----you are no safer in your home, from illegal search and seizure, than any of those currently held at Guantanamo Bay, or in any secret CIA prison around the world.

What's more, those searching your person, car, and home are no more obliged to tell you why they're searching you, charge you, or provide legal proof that they have reason to secretly enter your home, and go through your things as was done to Portland attorney Brandon Mayfield who sued the federal government after being wrongly accused of having been involved in the Madrid train bombings.

Justice has to count for something, or the study of jurisprudence is nothing more than the random collection of artifacts in the name of irrelevancy. And, in the words of a U.S. district judge, Judge Ann Aiken: "For over 200 years, this Nation has adhered to the rule of law -- with unparalleled success. A shift to a Nation based on extra-constitutional authority is prohibited, as well as ill-advised." Yes, and a shift to a nation that expunges key sections of military reports which allege abuse of Iraqi citizens, and prisoners, as well as one that requires the completion of forms in order to request a right that has been guaranteed for generations is one that is unacceptable, and must be denounced by all who pledge allegiance to liberty and justice for all.

In the next fourteen months before Election Day, it is up to all of us to insist that each and every presidential candidate give us their position on what they will do about extraordinary rendition, secret CIA terror cells, "alternative interrogation techniques," what is, and is not, classifiable by government, and how they will restore the Bill of Rights, and the integrity of the U.S. Constitution.

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- CarmanK See Profile I'm a Fan of CarmanK

Rush Limbaugh is a pathetic ego maniac that is caught up in his own importance. It is good to counter his despicable remarks, but he's like many neocons - they believe that human suffering and lives lost is the necessary collateral damage to progress, and the whimps who complain are "just unamerican".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 09/30/2007
- Herrington See Profile I'm a Fan of Herrington

You have to wonder why George W. Bush would want an imperial presidency. Then, of course, the answer is simple. He just does not want to work that hard. Reagan was a lazy twit as well, but he did not quibble with and could remember his lines. Bush could not have imagined, in his coddled preppy world, that he could not squirm out of responsibility for the things that he has wrought. Having been a screwup all his life, he created an imaginary foe, of super human guile, to which he could attribute tragedies before he had even really begun to blunder. It was never his fault. He is a victim. So sayeth the inner child.

Bush never anticipated the problem that the American people might reasonably think that the War on Terror was not such a grave threat that we should demolish our nation in order to gain unreliable intelligence on an enemy less threatening to the country than the fact of his presidency.

And now we have a problem even greater than the papacy of a Bush clan. We have an extreme right wing that is mining the imaginary foe for every iota of political gain that can be eked out, and an implausible and irredeemable war.

We elected an idiot child and he created a monster that lives under our beds to salve his own fear of being found an idiot. We have listened to his tale designed to distract us from his incompetence and become afraid. What does that make us?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 AM on 09/30/2007
- Purple Girl See Profile I'm a Fan of Purple Girl

We must declare to the world this is not Our countries ideological policies in regards to human rights. We are being held responsible for the act of this administration and it's supporters.Yes he has had 2 terms, but I still challegnge his first win and therefore the second is contingent on the truth of the first.Regardless- They did not win by a landslide in either election.So about 1/2 of the VOTING public was against this administration from the start. And yet we all suffer the consequences.The world is judging US on Them. They need to go. The UN needs to bring cahrges of WarCrimes. He (they) have raped our Democracy, ande in the processs of spreading their diseased doctrine around the world- with OUR name, our people , our money and our weapons. The Congress is impotent and corrupt, the Supreme court is jaded.We need Help.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 AM on 09/30/2007
- fact finder See Profile I'm a Fan of fact finder

BoomerWoman, If you will look at the records of all Congress persons, Republican and Democrat you will see that the only differences between the two are how they go about something and the spelling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 09/29/2007
- sarge See Profile I'm a Fan of sarge

fact finder: Try to find a Democratic Senator who voted "Nay" on this Habeas Corpus restoration vote tally:
http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/09/19/habeas-restoration-cloture-vote-tally/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 AM on 09/30/2007
- TIME See Profile I'm a Fan of TIME

Churchill and Stalin wanted to take the Nazi war criminals out and shoot them, without a trial.

Cooler heads prevailed and trials were ordered for all WW II criminals. This showed to a war beaten world, that the new super power in the world, would be guided by the rule of law.

For President Bush to dismiss global governing rules (like the United Nations and the Geneva Conventions) that we helped write, is just one reason we have lost respect in the world.

The administration might be able to find legal loop holes to do what it wants to do, but the damage it does to the spirit of our laws, will take decades to repair.

What rights of free speech do our military people have? Can military law override the Constitutional rights of free speech? There are strict rules defining what a member of the military can say, or do depending on the situation and the issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 09/29/2007
- ZingoBonMot See Profile I'm a Fan of ZingoBonMot

I say, they are still Americans, uniformed or not, and ALL Americans are entitled to FREE SPEECH.
That has never been, nor will it ever be, argued against.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 09/29/2007
- dadw5boys See Profile I'm a Fan of dadw5boys

What good is Freedom of Speech without the 4th Admendment?
They can TAKE YOU, YOU PERSON, hold you without charge, without access to a lawyer, and without a trial. You could just disappear. Sreaming from a bottomless Pit won't do much good will it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 09/29/2007
- stephenstillwell See Profile I'm a Fan of stephenstillwell

Actually, service members give up many of their rights, like the obvious, freedom.

See the court marshal of billy mitchell.

Otherwise I really like the piece, thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 PM on 09/29/2007
- Doofus See Profile I'm a Fan of Doofus

Traditionally (at least circa WW2), senior
military officers did not *vote*, as the
military 'caste/class' was supposed to be
above, detached from politics. Of course, folks
such as MacArthur, Marshall & Eisenhower were
also encouraged (by politicians) to seek the Presidency.

There are also legal considerations.

'Federal Law (Titles 10, 2, and 18, United States Code), Department of Defense (DOD) Directives, and specific military regulations strictly limit a military active duty person's participation in partisan political activities.'

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/militarylaw1/a/milpolitics.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 09/30/2007
- realitytrumpsbull See Profile I'm a Fan of realitytrumpsbull

Maybe Rush is happy, this is the Main Event
that he's helped pave the path for...I hope
that he gets his sponsorship yanked, money speaks loudly, after all..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 09/29/2007
- oldpotsmuggler See Profile I'm a Fan of oldpotsmuggler

I don't get the sense that there are many current federal office holders, nor candidates for federal office, who are real anxious to squander away the powers that the current bunch have accumulated to government. Our country is now clearly under management by an administration that is committed to the philosphy that individuals exist "of the government, by the government, and for the government". Unfortunately there seems to be a pretty good ego charge associated with holding power under that kind of an arrangement, and I'm afraid that this is the explanation for why we are greeted with so much equivocating when our "leadership" is asked to swear by traditional American values, and to mandate their restoration.

"You know, there was a War on Terror made necessary by the events of 9-11, and, well, things are different now." Yeah, but that is not going to make people different. If they smoothly slip on an authoritarian mantle it is because that is a cloak that they have yearned for. Otherwise they would be as ready to give back the power as they were to take it. Witness times like World War II. That last vote to take more power from the people, and to give more power to the government was not conducted in an environment of true emergency and necessity. You and I were made no safer, but there was a huge volumn of rhetoric that made things sound otherwise.

Is it time to throw out all of the scoundrels? Possibly not, but it should be abundantly clear by now that there is a need for an organized process of seperating out the friends of freedom in high places from the false friends.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 09/29/2007
- whomung See Profile I'm a Fan of whomung

"Phony solodiers" if they don't agree with him

Is this the same Rush who advocated death to all drug addicts, even while he was addicted to Oxycodone?

As I recall, he exempted himself from embracing his own perscribed punishment by saying he got addicted because of pain....

Like he's the only human who's ever had that experience....

He's Narcissistic.... Clear lack of empathy or compassion --for anyone but himself.... Above the law... Socially maladjusted and clearly personality disordered.

This man's mind is locked up tighter than a drum, and the only thing he's good at is being a lying rabble rouser.

And he is good at that.... if that's what floats your boat

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:17 PM on 09/29/2007
- ZingoBonMot See Profile I'm a Fan of ZingoBonMot

But WE CAN BE JUST AS OBNOXIOUS, BUT BETTER, dammit.
Stand up, and speak up for what YOU KNOW to be right, even if it's JUST in line at the grocery store. My wife started doing that three years ago, and it used to embarass the hell out of me, until one day the woman in front of us agreed with her, and then the man behind us chimed in and agreed with her, too.
And we live in a town totally devoted to building bigger and better bombs!
We do not have to accept the neocon Empire!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 09/29/2007
- Scarabus See Profile I'm a Fan of Scarabus

Good post, Jayne! Every candidate should be willing to put in writing her or his position on key issues. And on issues like this, to swear on whatever book she or he holds sacred to protect our quickly disappearing rights.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 09/29/2007
- Boomerwoman See Profile I'm a Fan of Boomerwoman

I agree. I wrote to my congressman, Dave Reichert, R WA, regarding his stand on habeas corpus and the constitution. His answer was total Bush-ese defending FISA. I responded that that wasn't good enough and I'd be evaluating all politicians thru that lens from this point on. Period. I don't want the American dream to die because of these rapacious republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 09/29/2007
- sarge See Profile I'm a Fan of sarge

He's my Congressman too, Boomerwoman. I had a personal conversation with him a few weeks ago about the deficits & 9 Trillion debt. He ws totally dismissive about the problem...has been since his first campaign against Dave Ross. He's got if figured out. Take a hard line against higher taxes, say you are for a balance budget, and do nothing. Make sure you go to darcyburner.com and donate to her campaign. She's gonna need millions to beat him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 AM on 09/30/2007
- ZingoBonMot See Profile I'm a Fan of ZingoBonMot

Rapacious is a word I thought I'd never read in this largely juvenile (read young) medium. Your old friend here salutes you!]
And I will burn this onto memory so that my wife, the former English teacher, may salute you as well. Zingo and Podewumun.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 09/29/2007
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