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Jeff Jarvis

Jeff Jarvis

Posted: November 28, 2010 10:17 AM

Twitter was abuzz last night with links to David Segal's amazing NYTimes yarn of a bad internet actor who says he uses -- and eggs on -- customer complaints to get more links and mentions online, thus more Googlejuice, thus more business.

The Times didn't go the next step to ask what Google should do about this. And Google didn't help itself by dispatching only an unnamed spokesperson who then, Segal complains, didn't send a followup email. Google would have been much wiser to have hooked Segal up with Matt Cutts, the company's wizard in the game of bad-guy whack-a-mole, to discuss the options and implications.

It's not as simple as it seems, for Google and its algorithms are now a set of laws of the web and if you intervene in one way, you may trigger the law of unintended consequences in another.

What if Google sensed the positive or negative sentiment in links and used that to guide its placement in search, as some suggested? Makes sense in the case of bad-guy Borker and his virtual eyeglass store. But as someone pointed out on Twitter last night: If Google did let sentiment affect rank, then what would it do with the negative links regarding Barack Obama or Sarah Palin, to Islam or GM? How would you write that law, remembering that the code is the law?

What if instead Google intervened in a case such as this and, seeing all the complaints, manually downgraded the guy in search? The first problem with that is scale: how do you find and investigate all the bad guys? The bigger problem is whether we want Google to be the cop of the world. Google has been sued by companies it decreed were link-bating spammer sites, downgrading them in search, while the sites said they were legitimate directories. This is the one case in which Google holds the power of God in a market and it's a dangerous position to be in.

I have suggested before that Google should set up a jury of peers to adjudicate such cases. I didn't use the verb "crowdsource," for crowds can be gamed, as Mr. Borker amply demonstrates. But a trusted (cue Craig Newmark) jury could give Google distance from the decision. I say peers -- fellow business people -- because in cases such as this, their interests and those of Google and us, the users, are aligned: We don't want bad guys to game search. Google, especially, wants to -- in Cutts' words -- find more signals of quality and originality so its results are of higher quality and relevance.

What I'm really saying is that as Google, Facebook, Twitter, and other private players come to be the law of the land on the internet, they need to start acting like public players with Constitutions and Bills of Rights and the means of enforcement and adjudication with due process. I'll be exploring this notion in Public Parts.

In the end, Segal's story looks like a failure of search, Google, and the internet. The internet made it possible for a bad guy to win. Well, so does Wall Street.

But I don't think this was Google's failure (cue fan-boy accusations). The moral of the story should be that if you search Google for the name of Borker's company, you see plenty of loud complaints in the results. The internet doesn't nullify the First Law of Commerce: caveat emptor. When I had my now-legendary problems with Dell, I kicked myself for not doing a search of "dell sucks" before buying my computer. That's my responsibility as a shopper. And, as I pointed out at the time, Google would have given me the information I needed. Ditto for the lady in Segal's story. If I think of buying from a new vendor, I've learned my lesson: I search Google first because fellow customers, using Google, will help protect me.

That is the lesson The Times should have given its readers: Use Google to guard against those who would use Google.

 
 
 

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04:33 PM on 11/29/2010
The morality a company should subscribe to is trumped by the morality of being a public company.

In reality, investor goals dominate every other - customer goals, employee goals, community goals. A board, or officer can be sued for not performing his fiduciary duty, but the others are just "nice-to-haves."

On the other hand, it is VERY worthwhile to consider moralities or social policies that companies (aside from public companies as they are in the US) might subscribe to, in order to give consumers a choice.

Many consumers attempt to make that choice, but there is no "truth in labeling" for companies which exposes the values of ownership. That is the problem. In other places, it is more clear. In particular, the Mondragon cooperatives in Spain operate by different principles.

I don't think government will ever lead the transformation of values of enterprise. But I do believe that once the grass roots starts buying-as-investing (which it is), then we might see alternatives emerge in the supply chains.
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EcnelisDoogod
B the change you want 2C
08:36 PM on 11/29/2010
Your RIO comment is valid in the second paragraph, but the question is "over what time period?"

There is a balance between dividends and repeat customers.
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EcnelisDoogod
B the change you want 2C
03:40 PM on 11/29/2010
No disrespect meant, but isn't there an allusion to "What Would Jesus Do?" in your title?
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Allen Bouchard
I worship His Divine Shadow.
02:17 PM on 11/29/2010
The suggestion given in the Times article seems the best one: extend the display of ratings alongside search results to online commerce.
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EcnelisDoogod
B the change you want 2C
01:09 PM on 11/29/2010
A.G.N.E.S. Alarm Generation Notification and Evaluation System is a real-time feedback system which instead of data mining a "data base", uses the same statistical techniques on a running average "data-stream". Because AGNES generalizes the definition of an attacks, it also can isolate and contain attacks without human intervention. It is one of the foundations of sentience.

Smarter than you (or I can) think. -- NYT
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60256
How Strange, Innocence
08:01 AM on 11/29/2010
Your idea would be nice in a perfect society. However, Google, Twitter, Facebook, and other major websites are worldwide. It would be quite a stretch to ask them to follow our rules when there are hundreds of other countries who may be asking for the same.
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06:44 AM on 11/29/2010
“What Should Google Do?”
No “evil” to humanity? Since bereft of them, their customer base would be nil.

“How would you write that law, remembering that the code is the law?”
Can’t Google develop an adjunct, called perhaps “True-gle”. Performing actions similar to those of the super sleuth himself. Who not only drew conclusions from the details he discovered. But was in addition able to explain the processes and data used. To clarify those deductions, to his associates.
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tomjones
04:24 AM on 11/29/2010
Google is not a cyber-police; it is a search engine. We would have tons of lawsuits if search engines suddenly start censoring links. digitalundivide.com
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TimInUkraine
01:39 AM on 11/29/2010
The consumer advocacy sites should be using "no follow" tags, so their page authority isn't passed on through links to the fraudulent sites they are exposing.
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jabailo
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12:19 AM on 11/29/2010
One thing I noticed is that Huff Po used to come up in every news and blog search on Google. Now hardly ever.
12:13 AM on 11/29/2010
Google is a search engine and it's one of many. As the article noted, Mastercard and Visa have some responsibility for ensuring a safe transaction, but the ultimate responsibility lies with the consumer and them having the common sense to not give their credit card number to some random site that appears on the web without checking it out, first. After all, a domain costs what... $5, plus something like $50 for a certificate?

Google is just a search engine and your Jarvis' proposal is more akin to having a flea market or classified service vouching for the reputation of every merchant. It's just not doable and if any of the search engines were to implement the system, it could make them legally liable for every transaction.
03:43 PM on 11/28/2010
Other than adding reviews to search results, which Google is rolling out, they have no more responsibility for the actions of people on the Web than the Yellow Pages has responsibility for people who advertise with them.

There are plenty of tools out there to help you avoid the bad guys. I use a World of Trust extension in my browser and it is a great thing. That, and googling the name of the company plus the word "scam" or "ripoff".

It just ain't that hard.
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creoleguy32
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10:53 PM on 11/28/2010
thanks you. Great info.
12:55 AM on 11/29/2010
As Jarvis noted in his piece, you could just search on the company name and everything that isn't a link to its site is clearly labeled a complaint, so you don't even have to add the "scam". You just have to not give your credit card number to a random site on the 'net.
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mountainweb
Conservative Commonsense
03:23 PM on 11/28/2010
However, the bottom line, "The internet doesn't nullify the First Law of Commerce: caveat emptor." has applied to newspapers, magazines, radio, television and NOW the internet. The more forms that advertisers can use to reach the target/victim, the more diligent the consumer must be in applying the First Law of Commerce: caveat emptor! Expecting Google or any other form of media to take "traffic cop" role is unrealistic. !
02:40 PM on 11/28/2010
Thanks for pointing me to the article, very disturbing indeed.