With the Bill Moyers interview, Jeremiah Wright is back in the news. And with the exit polling showing that Barack Obama's race was a factor for one out of six voters in the Pennsylvania Democratic primary, there is no doubt that Obama's association with Wright is a significant political liability. I cannot help but think this is a sad state of affairs, not only for Obama's political fortunes, but also for our nation which takes such enormous (though perhaps misplaced) pride in our religious heritage and liberty.
In 1993 Yale Law School Professor Stephen Carter published a bestselling book called Our Culture of Disbelief: How American Law and Politics Trivialize Religious Devotion. President Clinton once remarked that the book was one of the most important studies of American culture and public policy that he had ever read.
Carter's argument was a fairly straightforward one, even if it was counterintuitive. Basically the argument goes that anyone who takes religion seriously in today's American culture is automatically deemed a fanatic. He chides the American political culture and legal theory for what he calls this "trivialization of religion." Further, he argues the religiously faithful should not have to bracket out the logic of their religious belief for the sake of public consumption. As it currently stands, the only form of religious expression that is acceptable within the public sphere is that which is worn lightly on the sleeve, a process that Carter terms the "secular leveling" of our culture.
Carter's solution, which at least here in this work from 1993 is less satisfying than his diagnosis, is that the legal culture should strive to be more inclusive to the various types of arguments and rationales that our diverse public employs when coming to decisions and expressing values and deep-seated convictions. As he writes, "What is needed is not a requirement that the religiously devout choose a form of dialogue that liberalism accepts, but that liberalism develop a politics that accepts whatever form of dialogue a member of the public offers. Epistemic diversity, like diversity of other kinds, should be cherished, not ignored, and certainly not abolished."
The reason all of this matters is that if we accept this trivialization of religious devotion and continue to demand that our religious leaders and communities conform to the dominant discourse of our legal and political culture, then we should expect the following: First, the religiously faithful (whom, I remind you, continue to make up the vast majority of the American population) are forced into a state of schizophrenia, holding certain convictions in private while being forced to provide a public rationale that is not truly their own. Second, this moral vacuum in which religion dare not speak its name becomes a breeding ground for an extremist form of religious rhetoric that exploits the sense that traditional religious values are under assault by a hostile secular culture. In short, our political and legal culture of disbelief is at least partly to blame for the political mobilization of the religious right. Third, and most importantly, there would be no room for the moral suasion that characterized the Civil Rights movement as led by church leaders such as Martin Luther King, Jr. In other words, if the only religious voices that were acceptable within the public sphere were those that parroted patriotic themes or that championed America's moral purity and manifest destiny, then not only would the prophetic dimension of religion be precluded, but religion itself would be of no use whatsoever to our nation. It would be confined as a mere redundancy. In this way, instead of a multitude of religious voices serving the interests of a genuinely plurivocal democracy as autonomous intermediaries to the state, the state itself becomes like a religion.
Carter's argument has been echoed more recently by those such as the Reverend Jim Wallis, who is the author of God's Politics: Why the Right Gets it Wrong and the Left Doesn't Get It. For Wallis, the Left jettisons religion at its own peril, creating a soulless and cynical politics that the Right easily exploits. This line of thought received much attention in the immediate aftermath to the 2004 presidential election when prominent leaders of the Religious Right took credit for energizing President Bush's base of support and thus providing the critical margin of difference in a tightly fought campaign. The analysis then was that in order for the Democrats to become competitive in subsequent national elections, they could no longer yield the terrain of morality and religion to the Republican party. Like the Republicans, they must learn to speak the language of cultural values and admit how their religious beliefs inform their approach to politics and public policy.
Thus John Edwards repeatedly spoke about his campaign against poverty in the United States as a moral and religious duty. Likewise, Hillary Clinton courted progressive evangelicals by touting her leadership in developing a "compassionate" legislative agenda and by telling the story of the awakening of her political consciousness that was the result of her Sunday School outreach project to the local migrant community.
And then there was Barack Obama: At first there were the unfounded rumors that he was secretly a Muslim. As he countered those rumors by pointing to his longtime active membership in Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ, the firestorm surrounding the comments from his former pastor Jeremiah Wright erupted. Suddenly the political terrain has shifted. It is no longer a matter of the Democratic candidate demonstrating the connection between religion, politics, and public policy. Now the real crux of the matter is finally exposed for all the nation to see: As Carter argued over a decade ago, there is only one form of religion that is acceptable within the public sphere -- namely, the religion of patriotism.
We are a believing nation. Study after study confirm that the U.S. is the most religious of all the industrialized nations of the world. The vast majority of Americans believe that the Bible is the authorized, if not necessarily the literal, word of God. Yet when it comes to the religious voice in the public sphere, what the widespread public condemnation of the Reverend Wright reveals is that we do not respect the autonomy of religion. We expect our religion to be palpable and to reinforce rather than challenge our self-image. There is no room for the prophetic voice that speaks the truth of righteous indignation to power. And so long as that is the case, it would be more accurate to say that really there is no room for religion at all.
As John H. Thomas, the General Minister and President of the United Church of Christ, has said in his defense of Reverend Wright (link to the full text of Thomas' defense of Wright: http://www.ucc.org/news/responding-to-wright.html), to the extent that Christians desire to follow the Bible, faithfulness, not respectability, should be the order of the day. Thomas concludes with the following remarks:
Is Pastor Wright to be ridiculed and condemned for refusing to play the court prophet, blessing land and sovereign while pledging allegiance to our preoccupation with wealth and our fascination with weapons? In the United Church of Christ we honor diversity. For nearly four centuries we have respected dissent and have struggled to maintain the freedom of the pulpit. . . For what this nation needs is not so much polite piety as the rough and radical word of the prophet calling us to repentance. And, as we struggle with that ancient calling, I pray we will be shrewd enough to name the hypocrisy of those who decry the mixing of religion and politics in order to serve their own political ends.
Obama's refusal to disassociate himself from his former pastor is a courageous political calculation (and no, courage and calculation are not necessarily mutually exclusive). By the success of his political organization, he has long since proven himself a capable manager. By his honest treatment of the subject of race in America, many believe he has shown himself to be an inspirational leader. And by his involvement in a church that dares to call the nation to task in accordance with the our own high-minded ideals and professed religious convictions, he may very well stem the tide of the trivialization of religion that has so easily allowed the religious values of peace and mercy to serve the misbegotten ends of a perpetual war.
For a nation made up by a vast majority of religious believers, I only wish (and pray) that we could begin to appreciate the positive role independent religious voices like those such as Jeremiah Wright play within, and on behalf of, our democracy. Anything less would not only be undemocratic, but downright unchristian.
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That's right. The religious can believe exactly as they want to, and preach to the choir about their version of right memes and wrong memes all they like.
But when they step into the public square, guess what? Nobody gives a rat's ass about their private visions of right and wrong, heaven and hell, God and the Devil, or whatever.
That is, in fact, one of the glories of America. The country was set up that way deliberately by the founders, because they fled Europe which lived by the folly of having private religious belief define the dimensions of public life.
To give one present tense example with implications for how we live and the laws we live by: The Christian crotch police can sniff each other in church all they like - but they have nothing to say to those of us who reject their nostrums about what is moral and immoral in the realm of sex.
On other hand, there are a set of transcendent SPIRITUAL values that are agreed upon by all people devoted to the good - regardless of their religion or lack thereof.
But to give credence to a philosophical position in the public square because the Bible says this or the Koran says that?
I don't think so.
So then according to your theory I can do anything I want because you don't believe in God. There would be no moral repercussions because ,after all, there is no God to punish me. I only have probably another 40 or 50 years to live so what do I care if I do something that you may find immoral? If I don't worry about God's morals then why on Earth would I worry about man's? Let's just have a free for all society where everyone lives just how they please regardless of how it effects anyone else. Do you know how idiotic that sounds? Do you honestly think man created morals? You believe that because a person believes something different than you that they have no right to public opinion. What gives you the right to think that YOUR beliefs should be accepted in public opinion? My beliefs have a foundation. Your beliefs are just that. Beliefs and nothing else.
Funny interpretation. Um, yeah, nonbelievers do believe morals were created by man. Y'know... nonbelieve rs... people who don't believe in a God or gods to create morals, or man, or anything else for that matter. That help you to understand?
The post you respond to was, well, not well put together. However, there is a point in it that if you are going to put your beliefs into public discourse you have to be ready to have them challenged, ridiculed, heckled, and otherwise be told your full of shit. That is public discourse, after all. Just having the right to believe as you see fit does to make your actual beliefs immune to scrutiny. Your welcome to critique nonbelievers statements just as much, you know.
You can misinterpret my remarks and then demolish the straw man you have set up. But that's not the same as having a reasoned argument.
r have, and hopefully never will.
The fact that we, in America, insist on separation of church and state in no way implies that I can do whatever I want regardless of consequences. However imperfect, we are a nation of laws - CIVIL laws. We're not, like Iran and Saudi Arabia, a nation of RELIGIOUS laws.
Those among us who derive our beliefs from a religious foundation have every right to share those beliefs as part of the political discourse. But they don't get any brownie points for saying that their thoughts (as opposed to someone else's) are divinely inspired, and therefore should carry the day.
That's how they do it in Iran and Saudi Arabia. We don't roll that way...neve
And finally, your statements that those who don't care about YOUR God's vision of morality have no reason to care about morality at all is childish, and flies in the face of the fact that there are millions of people who don't share your own religious outlook and are not any more ethically challenged than you are. Since you're ignorant, I'll help you out by naming some names: Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Ben Franklin, and (for good measure) Abe Lincoln.
I'm sorry, but I just listened to Rev. Wright in his speech insist we should understand and embrace his form of worship, and in the same breath make fun of my form of worship. I worship quietly... sorry that offends him.
He didn't say it offends him for you to worship quietly.
In view of that you don't need to be sorry or nor ought you to pretend to be sorry about how you worship.
Giving true witness is an important value of most people who believe in God and many who don't.
You may decide that is an area where you might have grounds to be sorry.
Just a thought.
Just a thought to your thought... we may not be talking about the same speech. In the speech I saw, he most certainly made fun of "those people who worship quietly". Does making fun of me make you feel more Christian? Just a thought.
Didn't you get his main message, different is not deficient. He most definitely did not say embrace his form of worship, nor his religion. He uses humor in his speeches as any good preacher in the black tradition does. Should Sen. Kennedy be upset with him doing his accent? If you can't see how smart and inclusive he was, I don't think you want to see it.
Yes...humo r at the expense of others. Believe me, I watched because I wanted to see how smart and inclusive he is. I wanted to believe, but when he made fun of those who worship quietly, it was like a slap in the face. Humor at the expense of anyone else is just mean...not smart and inclusive. Smart and inclusive is being understanding and kind...and I believe he is smart, inclusive, understanding and kind most of the time...but not at that moment in his speech. And it hurt.
I think you missed Rev. Wright's point completely. He specifically said - several times, actually, that people are different, including whether they worship loudly or quietly, and that neither style is better than the other - just different. He used many different examples of cultural, religious, and even musical differences some might have, and did show a sense of humour - but in doing so making a point to EMPHASIZE - "different is NOT deficient. " In addition, I don't know where you got that he felt people should "embrace his form of worship" - he specifically said in the speech that he was reaching out to work with - and has been working with - Jews, Muslims, and Christians of all denominations. I really see no way any one can say Rev. Wright is intolerant after listening to that speech in its entirely. I'm not religious at all, but I found it uplifting and informative, as well as inclusive to me, as a non-believer.
This entire post, although its intentions appear good, seems to be based on several false and absurd premises. It is not secular society that has rejected religion, but rather religious society that has rejected the secular. Secular does not mean no religion, rather, it is a meeting place where people of diverse beliefs can find common ground. Another thing, it is not secular society that has the power in our society, it is the religious. The litmus test for running for public office is to profess faith (almost exclusively Christian), not to reject it. For a politician to admit publicly that they are not religious, or God forbid, an Atheist, is certain political suicide.
Finally, a comment that speaks the truth. It is not secular society attacking the religious. It is the religious attacking secular society. It is the religious who want special rights to discriminate. It is the religious who want to control a woman's right to choose. It is the religious who abandoned the underpinnings of America by discarding the separation of church and state. The blatant evidence of the religious shift in America can be verified by simply reading John F. Kennedy's speech concerning the power the pope would have on a Catholic president. If an American presidential candidate gave that speech today, it would be political suicide.
Couldn't agree more.
"At best the MSM got the Wright story wrong, at best it was a mistake.
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But if it were a mistake, there would have been some mea culpas today, after seeing the Wright interview, someone would have said they got it wrong, maybe even apologized for contributing to the vilification of Rev Wright.
But the mea culpas didn't come. They rationalize it, generally, by saying it wasn't a real interview. At least they didn't completely ignore it, but they came close."
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McCain’s MSM buddies who are sucking up to McCain may buy McCain’s BS but millions of Americans, including republicans, will not vote for McCain.
MSM you all should be ashamed – your misinformation and sucking up to the Bush/Cheney administration on Iraq got us into this morass of a war.
MSM for shame on you all for perpetuating lies that enabled the war to be sold to thousands of mothers and fathers whose son’s and daughters have died in Iraq.
MSM you are now helping the Clintons destroy Obama so that your horrible, little weasel friend John McCain can become president; how reprehensible.
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