Great job on the interview Jennifer. I would write more, but I need to go and get a copy of your book... and some lo mein.
Don't try to be funny.
That was the piece of advice that was repeatedly given to me when my friends first heard I was booked on The Colbert Report to talk about my book on Chinese food in America, called The Fortune Cookie Chronicles. I had never watched a full episode of The Colbert Report because not only do I not have cable, but I also don't own a television (which makes me a bit of an oddity, but very productive).
A friend who writes for The Daily Show, Rachel Axler, advised over instant messaging that with Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart, "The only way to come off looking bad is to try and out-funny them." Colbert is a tougher interviewer so, "Just be calm & roll with the weirdness." Or as my friend Dana explained, "Colbert comes from an improv tradition and the first rule in improv is never deny. In other words, treat the outrageous things that he says at face value and segue into your points - don't brush them off. And keep talking. He needs the author to keep talking in order to riff."
Appearing on The Colbert Report as an author can be a double-edged sword, because while it's high-profile, you are also a punching bag in his bombastic red-blooded American act. A Random House editor said he preferred putting authors on The Daily Show because Jon Stewart, like most interviewers, has a style that is essentially, "So tell me about your book." Whereas with Colbert it's a tête-à-tête where he's trying to be funny while the author is trying to get her point across. Sometimes those goals converge, sometimes they don't. So in advance, my friends brainstormed on which of my points he might jump on. My friend Alexis (a huge Colbert fan) sent me an e-mail predicting how Colbert might respond to my argument that Chinese food is more American than apple pie given how much we eat apple pie versus Chinese food, and how I should recover from that.
Colbert : "I eat apple pie every morning - with a jack and coke - and a bald eagle egg omlette."Jenny: Well, there are exceptions - and you are clearly an exceptional American - for most would say Chinese food.
Other things he might do:
* Introduce the idea that the Chinese are taking over the world, starting with the restaurants. ("If that happens, I'm hedged. I speak Chinese, what about you?" or "That might happen. I suggest that your kids learn to speak Chinese. My mom's a tutor.")
* Bring up any comment about the fact that fortune cookies were copied from the Japanese by the Chinese ("We don't feel so bad about it, they've been copying us for centuries.").
* Of course, ask about the middle number as initial. ("The Chinese love the number 8. The Beijing Olympics are starting at 8 p.m. on August 8, 2008. They really wanted this Olympics.")
Stephen Colbert greets his guests before the show, where he briefly explains his character to people who have not seen it. (In person he is nothing like on television: very thoughtful with an almost professorial air). Guest interviews last about six minutes, which under the lights and in front of a live audience, seems simultaneously like an eternity and an instant. Something I wasn't expecting was that Colbert would shift the interview to Mandarin Chinese. (So what did I say? "I started working on this book several years ago and now I'm talking about it on your television show." It was what popped into mind.) Something we did anticipate correctly, was the apple pie line.
And then it was over. At the moment the lights went out, I slumped in exhaustion down in my chair. Colbert reached over the table, calmly smiled and said, "Don't worry. You did great."
Watch the interview below:
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Great job on the interview Jennifer. I would write more, but I need to go and get a copy of your book... and some lo mein.
Terrific article. I am always fascinated by how people deal with the challenge of being interviewed by him. That advice of not trying to out-funny Stewart or Colbert is spot on. People who aren't funny who try to be funny look awful up against these guys. Your interview was great since you both covered a great deal of information and Stephen was particularly on. I literally laughed til their were tears.
Good luck with the book!
Your interview went great.
Anyone watching is pretty much in on the joke.
I found the fact you mentioned about the number of Chinese restaurants in America was wild.
And when you put that up against the combined numbers of some major franchises.
Also the whole General Tsao history was interesting, especially what he is actually known for back in China.
Well done all around, and no MSG, who'd a thunk...
Jennifer 8, I have occasionally read your work in The NYTimes and caught the end of your "Colbert" appearance on cable. May I add my compliments to those of the others, including Colbert? You came off quite well, sounding intelligent and not at all thrown by Colbert's put-on weirdness. I liked that you spoke some Mandarin (would that more Americans become bilingual!). I'm glad I read your column, because I had been puzzled for a long time about your use of a number for your middle initial, and because I can now share your info about General Tsao the next time I'm reading the menu in a Chinese restaurant.
[The Daily Show because Jon Stewart, like most interviewers, has a style that is essentially, "So tell me about your book."]
The difference between Jon Stewart and most "legitimate" mainstream news interviewers is that he actually reads the work of his guest authors before the go on the show. I know (and appreciate) this from experience.
Great Interview! You looked very comfortable.
You did a good job and got the Colbert bump. And now you've parlayed that into a HuffPo bump. Damn, you're brilliant!
The Colbert bump is inevitable, like death and taxes.
There are several studies underway to analyze this phenomenon.
I saw the interview before I read this and I can say that you did great.
Just remember the people who watch his show get it. We realize he isn"t making fun of you he, is using you as a foil to make fun of his character.
There was one VERY disturbing part of the interview. General Tso's Chicken is named after a Chinese general from one of the bloodiest wars in history.
While I have actually heard of him and that war it is disturbing that so little is known about it in the USA. After all China is half the world and it's civilization has an incredible history. Yet I, like most of my countrymen, I know little or nothing about it. Very disturbing.
It must be nice.
It was good to hear some of the behind-the-scenes stuff about the show. I figured that Colbert pulled interviewees aside and explained what was about to happen. And so far you're about the 20th person I've heard say that Colbert is a really nice guy in person.
now i remember who Colbert reminds me of. PEE WEE HERMAN with a tie!
The Pee Wee character would never be able to argue with such aplomb as Colbert, but he was fun in his time. One of my Colbert show favorites was when he interviewed a woman who insisted something like that she thought Barack Obama was not representing his black side enough. He was right on point with his "I don't see color" persona.
That interview was a classic! My all time favorite though was when he interviewed some harvard professor whose name was something like "Manly" who had written a book (appropriately enough) about how men were different (i.e. stronger, more rational, etc.) than women. It was fairly early in the show and I don't think the guy ever caught on that Colbert was pulling his leg when he seemed to be agreeing with him and getting him to make one outrageous sexist statement after another.
But a Red, White, and Blue tie, sir!
I did see this show once. That was enough.
I'm guessing your sense of humor is just cutting edge, then.
Milton Berl, Jerry Lewis, Stephen Colbert. Slapstick egomania.
Colbert's exactly the opposite of the other two. It's satire, and the writing is brilliant. Often very subtle and amazing breadth of cultural and historical references, word play, irony. But, clearly not for everyone.
Hi Jennifer,
I'm going to come across sounding just like all the other commenters, but here goes anyway: I'm not familiar with your work, but the interview made me want to remedy that. You did great; I particularly liked the bit about General Tso's Chicken. You were fun, quick, and engaging, and very cute if you don't mind my saying so.
Thanks for the post and the behind-the-scenes insight.
Really great interview and fun! Hope you get a nice Colbert "bump".
... You were funny, cute, AND made Stephen laugh, Jennifer - in short, you were the perfect guest! Now I need to read your book - kudos and best wishes..! :) ...
You did very well and you have good friends.
BTW sometimes in this country Anglos name their children with numbers, usually spelled out. Look in the archives of the William and Mary Quarterly, there is a story of George Robert Twelves Hewes, one of the last veterans of the American Revolution. There's also a brief sketch of him in wikipedia. The WMQ story says that at least two of his sons had numbers in their names, Eleven and Fifteen, which was their birth order. Hewes was a shoemaker by trade, thus always on the edge of poverty and it is speculated that with such low prospectes, the only thing George could give his sons was the joke of their names.
Great interview, but please don't wear bracelets next time. They clanged on the table. But you were funny and entertaining. JFK indeed!
That was great!
Some guests try to be funnier than him or try to stay too serious, or else they just laugh the whole way through..you were a very charming blend and I learned ALOT from your interview. Thank you!
Good Job, Jennifer 8 -- keep it up!
Don't worry about the punching bag -- we're all in on the joke. You came off very well, and quite sharp and responsive. A little too tense, if you don't mind me saying, but one of the better interviews. Your instinct about not prepping too much comedy (other than a dry/softball line or two to known issues that'll come up) I bet is very accurate.
Yeah saw it last night you did a good job, you should see some of the people who didn't. :P
Loved it! Good job, and your interview left me hungry for your book!
Yep. You were great. Your friends prepared you well and you hit a home run.
Love the General Tsao story! Damn, how come we never heard of that rebellion? That's some serious history.
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