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Republicans: What About Children Outside the Womb?

Posted: 08/27/2012 11:32 pm

The Republican Party platform includes support for the "Human Life Amendment," also known as HR 212. It gives a fertilized egg inside the womb the same rights as a person outside the womb. It's designed to ban all abortions.

Now, we all know how deeply the issue of abortion hits people -- in both parties. It's hard. It's sensitive and personal, and there are no easy answers. But even if we are divided over the question of when life begins, one thing we should agree on is this: Vulnerable children outside the womb deserve at least as much focus and care as those not yet born. Shouldn't those concerned about the lives of the unborn be equally concerned about the lives of the recently born?

I'm honestly perplexed about the distinction represented by the cervical wall. On one side, people should be prosecuted if they do anything to harm the fetus, but once on the outside, sorry kid, whatever happens happens. You're on your own.

A 71-year-old viewer wrote to me this weekend and got me thinking about the terms we use in the debate: "pro-life" vs. "pro-choice." Democrats have allowed the Republicans to frame the issue and have ceded the territory of "life."


Republicans are definitely pro-birth (they'll do everything they can to make sure that that baby comes out, regardless of how it got in), but are they pro-life?

Can you be pro-life and vote to cut funding that supports the life of a child? Paul Ryan's cut-at-all-costs budget and philosophy, which 100 percent of the pro-life Republicans voted for, would gut the funding that supports at-risk babies and children: food stamps, temporary assistance to needy families, day care, Head Start, early childhood education, children's health care.

At the state level GOP governors are cutting the child protection workers who handle child abuse and neglect cases -- you know, those awful public employees who must have caused the financial crisis. Programs that would benefit at-risk children outside the womb are all on the chopping block.

For example, Republicans have introduced HR 3803, a bill called the "Pain-capable Unborn Child Protection Act." And the bill to protect born children from pain is...?

Sister Joan Chittister, a Benedictine nun, had this to say on Bill Moyers' show in November of 2004:

I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is.

So true, Sister Joan. I say Democrats should not be afraid to talk about the morality of life, of caring for children who are born. It seems the Republican obsession with being pro-life lasts about nine months. After that, it's each baby for herself. So Democrats, let's be clear and strong: Being pro-birth is not automatically the same thing as being pro-life.

Originally aired on The War Room with Jennifer Granholm. The War Room airs weeknights at 9 p.m. EST on Current TV. Follow Jennifer Granholm on Facebook and Twitter, and The War Room on Facebook and Twitter.

 
 
 

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The Republican Party platform includes support for the "Human Life Amendment," also known as HR 212. It gives a fertilized egg inside the womb the same rights as a person outside the womb. It's desi...
The Republican Party platform includes support for the "Human Life Amendment," also known as HR 212. It gives a fertilized egg inside the womb the same rights as a person outside the womb. It's desi...
 
 
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10:40 AM on 09/20/2012
Not to mention the foster care system is weak in so many areas and the success stories are far and few in between.
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Jerome Bigge
03:05 AM on 09/14/2012
Being "pro-birth" doesn't obligate you to anything. Doesn't cost you anything. This is why Republicans support "pro-birth" because it doesn't cost anything. If the pro-birth people had to assume some of the cost of pre-natal care, some of the cost of childbirth, some of the cost of medical care after birth, some of the cost of raising the child, some of the cost of education of that child, I think they'd very quickly change their tune!
04:19 PM on 09/04/2012
So just out of curiosity - when would it not be acceptable to consider an abortion? < month 1, < month 2, < month 9? Anytime? Just curious since everyone here is so ardent about there position.
BTW - < means less than.

Lastly, other than risk of life (for the mother or perhaps discovered heath issues w/baby), if your answer is something like < 6 months, would you consider yourself a pro-lifer under that exception? Or a simply pro-choice under 6 months?
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jimsit
= rghts r not spcial rights
10:48 PM on 09/03/2012
hank you so muc for this insightful and absolutely true vision concernig +pro-life" republicans who want to stop abortion at any risk to the woman.

At the same time they are against any taxes with which to care for unwanted children, or children who are very much loved and wanted, but whose families live under the grinding mill stone of poverty.

Sorry republicans........No way to have it both ways, unless you are willing to bear the cost.
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Jerome Bigge
03:12 AM on 09/14/2012
Republicans are all for "rights" that don't cost them a penny. But when it comes to putting their wallets where their mouths go, suddenly its an entirely different matter. Anyone can have an opinion on anything. But actually putting your own money into the picture is an entirely different matter completely. We could set up a system where unwanted "children to be" (not yet born) could be legally adopted by those who do want to adopt on a basis that they pay the costs of pre-natal care, childbirth costs, and in return become the legal parents of the child. This was actually proposed by a Libertarian candidate for President. Obviously Congress could make this sort of thing possible if it wanted to. The problem is of course that the pro-life people aren't willing for the most part to actually place their own economic welfare in the picture.
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jimsit
= rghts r not spcial rights
10:16 AM on 09/14/2012
Very well said.
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jimsit
= rghts r not spcial rights
08:57 PM on 09/14/2012
Do hear a resounding AMEN????
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Dwight Hebert
03:20 PM on 09/03/2012
The Republicans are against sex education or teaching pregnancy avoidance in school. Some of the proposed laws would outlaw birth control pills, and of course they want to outlaw abortion, and they want to cut welfare to the children that are born. That leads to only one conclusion. The Republicans think that sex is dirty and a sin and that we should pay the price for having it.
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02:54 PM on 09/03/2012
If the government is going to step in and force women to give birth once they're pregnant, then they shouldn't have the right to step out again once the child is born and needs resources that women might not be able to provide. Lawmakers can either get out of my womb entirely, or stick around for the ride.
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mary collins finn
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03:25 PM on 09/03/2012
While I agree with your sentiment, I believe that the government has absolutely no business in my womb, period. It is not an either/or situation. Even with all the financial resources in the world ( from the government or private wealth), anytime before a fetus is viable outside my womb, I and I alone ( in consultation with the father of the child depending on the circumstances) should be the one to choose whether to carry that baby to term - not a bible thumper, not some old guy who sets himself up as god on earth, not some politician.
jakielewis
Equality for all people
03:42 PM on 09/03/2012
I'm with you 100 percent!
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07:30 PM on 09/03/2012
You are exactly correct. At any time before fetal viability as defined in Roe v. Wade, the decision rests with the woman, in consultation with her physician, and no one else. I'm a 57-year old father of a 20-year old daughter.
jakielewis
Equality for all people
03:44 PM on 09/03/2012
I vote for getting out of our wombs and staying out!
11:19 AM on 09/03/2012
This perspective clarifies the cynical collusion between corporations and politicians they control to maximize debt burdens of the electorate without the expense of paid marketing; meanwhile increasing access to a low-wage labor force and captive-market pool.
11:17 AM on 09/03/2012
So I sit in the middle, I believe there are exceptions to every rule, but the rule should be - by default to be pro-life, not the otherway around. It should not be used as "unplanned", "I didn't know" and all the other BS that refers to it being a defacto birth control method. Fact is there are several ways to NOT get pregnant, but there is only ONE way to not deliver. So all you ardent pro-choicers - that have a at least 1 child (assuming you are responsible enough to have at least one) - pick one of your living children and imagine not having that one - because you chose to pulled the plug, and I mean really imagine it, look your child in the eye when you think about it and then tell me that it would be ok for you. I was 100% pro-choice before I had children, after having beautiful daughter I only then realized the sanctity of life. It was easy to be pro-choice when I was looking from the outside.
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middleclassmartyr
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01:50 PM on 09/03/2012
I'm guessing by your response that you totally missed the entire point of Governor Granholm's blog, pro-life doesn't stop at birth, it follows that child through to adulthood. I am prochoice and I have two beautiful daughters and two miscarriages. Before your assume that all prochoice people only look from the outside think again. I am prochoice BECAUSE of my daughters.
02:18 PM on 09/03/2012
So having a child automatically makes one responsible? What an interesting fallacy.

Maybe you should narrow your criteria to having only the number of children a person desires and plans for makes one responsible?

Breeding unfettered like an animal is not necessarily responsible. In fact it can be argued it is quite the opposite.
11:21 PM on 09/02/2012
How about we be pro job and get parents working again so that children don't have to count on welfare. As an Independent I believe children should depend on the parents who brought them into this world, not the government!
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SmileAndActNice
Utilitarianism, the -ism that works.
11:35 PM on 09/02/2012
Ahh the unexpected, oppose abortion AND adoption move.

Exciting.
11:06 PM on 09/02/2012
Thank you for saying what we've been thinking for years. They really aren't even pro birth. Ever heard them agree to pay for the support or health care of the pregnant mother? They aren't pro anything. they are anti everything. Christians, my eye.
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SmileAndActNice
Utilitarianism, the -ism that works.
11:30 PM on 09/02/2012
The forced birth states top the charts in infant and maternal mortality with Mississippi leading the way. Most deadly state to give birth or be a neonate in.
11:03 PM on 09/02/2012
Yeah these kids would all be better off not being born.
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GreenDolphinSt
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02:25 PM on 09/03/2012
Actually. these women would all be better off having families at the time and place of their choice, and society as a whole would be better off if its extremists cease their attempts to interfere with the right to personal bodily autonomy of its citizens - particularly its female citizens.
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11:00 PM on 09/02/2012
"Democrats have allowed the Republicans to frame the issue and have ceded the territory of "life.""

True Gov. Granholm, I further put it that Pro-Choice has lost the moral cause that resulted in legalized abortions. They save the lives of women desperate not to have that child.

I also recongize I need to change my wording, no longer Pro-Life, but Pro-Birth it will hence forth ever be. Thank you.
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meoshi
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10:54 PM on 09/02/2012
Thank you, former Governor Granholm, for speaking the truth. Pro-life means that not only do we protect the fetus, but we also protect the children, all the way through childhood and into teenage hood and when a war is proposed, we protect our best and brightest and keep them out of wars so that their "lives"will be saved........
10:53 PM on 09/02/2012
Still waiting for all the anti's to adopt all the disabled and older kids in foster care. That's right, they want babies so they can brainwash them.
12:17 AM on 09/03/2012
Yes! Let's wait.... and if it doesn't happen, then these children should be put to rest. They don't deserve to be alive, right? No one wants them!

Great idea, "Sasha Kelly!" Is there a possiblity that you'll be running for office in the near future? One could only hope. Apparently, you have all the answers.
12:39 AM on 09/03/2012
You and the other anti's are so stupid it's sad. Look up abuse in foster homes and tell me that they are happy to be alive Let me guess, you don't want to adopt and if you do it will be a nice gerber baby. Oh look, I bet these kids were "happy to be alive"  Before being killed or abused

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09:37 AM on 09/03/2012
To adopt a child from foster care requires a person to be a foster parent. There are allegedly very strict guidelines to becoming a foster/ adoptive parent, and the agencies seem to have a track record for choosing the worst of the worst (see your other post with link). So wouldn't you agree that fostering has been a bigger harm than help? Also, wouldn't it be a whole lot easier if we lived in a society where every life has value? Yes, from conception to natural death (I am opposed to the death penalty as well). If life is devalued at any point, then people feel free to devalue it AT any point. So when it is said that the earliest beginning of life is unimportant, then that carries over. You don't understand, if you want life to be valued, then it starts from the earliest beginning, to it's natural end. One can't pick and choose when life has value, and when it doesn't.
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bklynsparrow
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03:04 PM on 09/03/2012
That's all well and good- but unwanted children  far outnumber foster care. And with the GOP vuttting funding, do you really think the situation will improve? t won't. On the other hand, your stance that life has value from the very beginning to the very end is  fine to a point. Except that a fertilized egg is not a human being and it should not have the rights of a fully developed, outside the cervix human being. The same rights as an adult woman? Yours is a philisophical opinion, but the reality?  If you want to talk about really valuing life, you'll value women's right to choose and you'll fight so that every child born has a place to live, decent food to eat, clothing and an education. Otherwise your idea of valuing life ends at birth.
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ssfahrer
10:45 PM on 09/02/2012
Let's put it this way: Once sperm meets egg we have a human person (who, due to lack of maturity has to be tied to his/her mother via an umbilical cord). Once the child is freed from the womb and umbilical cord (at what is normally called 'delivery'), they are a FREE PERSON (thus, technically, they're on their own). This logic fully explains the 'Republican pro-life' philosophy. Feel free to disagree as you wish....
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SmileAndActNice
Utilitarianism, the -ism that works.
11:08 PM on 09/02/2012
How many human people do you have?

One? Two? Three?

It could twin, triple, octuple ... I don't think you get to tell me it's a person when you don't even know how many people its supposed to be yet.

What you have when an egg and sperm join is a blueprint and a worker cell. The worker cell is magic, a fetal stem cell, it can make any kind of human tissue but is not, itself, a human cell. Seriously. Ask your doctor. You don't have any cells like that in your body. If you did you could regrow lost limbs.

The worker makes a bunch more workers then the workers make some number of children off the blueprint.
12:21 AM on 09/03/2012
...yet, those "workers" are alive, right? i mean, they couldn't "work" if they weren't alive?

aahhh, how the pro choicers LOVE the inanimate words for LIFE. zygotes, embryos, fetus, and now...the latest! "blueprint" and "worker cell."

i don't even need to ask anymore. i *know* how the pro choicers sleep at night.
02:27 PM on 09/03/2012
Genetic human does not equal morally human (e.g. personhood). It is your personal belief that once the sperm meets the egg a human person's life begins. However, even SCOTUS has upheld the answer to the question "when does life begin?" as a matter of personal philosophy.

What about the personhood of those languishing on transplant wait-lists who need another person's body to survive? Why don't we mandate people to donate their body parts involuntarily?

Because no person's 'right-to-life' entitles them access to another person's body to sustain themselves. You are trying to bestow rights on a fertilized egg that no already born person even has.