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An Open Invitation to Rachel Lloyd

Posted: 05/11/10 04:51 PM ET

This post is a response to GEMS founder Rachel Lloyd's blog post: "An Open Letter to Jim Buckmaster." Read the original post.

I vividly recall meeting with Rachel Lloyd. Thanks to her story (and others I've been privileged to hear) we've vastly improved our approach to the point where an adult service ad submitted to craigslist today relating to an underage person like "Bethany" would be rejected by our reviewers, with an immediate report submitted to law enforcement, allowing the victim to be rescued, and the perpetrator to be removed from society.

Human trafficking and child exploitation are utterly despicable and horrendous crimes, absolutely beyond the pale. While quite rare on craigslist, any ad on our site in facilitation of such an unspeakable crime is completely unacceptable, and we will continue to work tirelessly with law enforcement to ensure that any such victim receives the assistance they deserve and that anyone committing such a crime is imprisoned.

Craig Newmark and I have been called communists and socialists for putting community ahead of financial considerations. After 15 years of focusing on public service, 50 million now rely on craigslist each month for their everyday needs. To the eternal amazement of financial analysts we have never sought to maximize our personal gain. Not because we're saints, but because valuing service over money is more fulfilling and enjoyable, and has always felt like the right thing to do.

If we for one moment believed our labor of love was increasing the incidence of such a heinous crime or was contributing to the suffering of its victims, we would indeed have trouble sleeping. We have been accused of many things over our 15 year history, but having no conscience is not one of them. Viewed in light of our 15 year history, is it even plausible that we would be defending the approach we have taken, in the face of the sustained demonization of our efforts that is occurring, if we did not believe we were doing the right thing?

To the contrary, we are convinced craigslist is a vital part of the solution to this age old scourge. We've been told as much by experts on the front lines of this fight, many of whom we have met with in person, and many of whom have shared very helpful suggestions that we have incorporated in our approach. Even politicians looking to make their careers at the expense of craigslist's good name grudgingly admit (when pressed) that we have made huge strides.

To our knowledge, only craigslist, out of countless venues, takes any of the following measures, let alone all of them:

* educating and encouraging users to report trafficking/exploitation
* prominently featuring a directory of trafficking/exploitation resources
* providing specialized anti-trafficking tools for law enforcement
* providing support for law enforcement anti-crime sweeps and stings
* actively participating in NCMEC's cybertipline program
* leading all awareness efforts for the National Trafficking Hotline
* meeting regularly with experts at nonprofits and in law enforcement
* manually reviewing every adult service ad submitted
* requiring phone verification for every adult service ad
* implementing the PICS content labeling system

What these measures mean in practice is that criminals foolish enough to place ads on CL relating to trafficking and exploitation are caught by law enforcement, with lots of assistance from craigslist -- hence the arrests you hear about.

Last year, when we began manual screening of adult services ads, those unwilling to subject themselves to craigslist's standards left in droves for the numerous venues which do not monitor ads. This migration is a matter of public record. You do not hear about arrests connected to the vast majority of adult services advertising because those venues do not cooperate with law enforcement, and do not urge their users to be on the lookout for and report suspected trafficking and exploitation.

For the sake of rescuing victims and prosecuting criminals, is it really a good idea to eliminate the only venue for adult service ads that is highly responsive to law enforcement? The only venue that seeks out nonprofit groups and readily adopts their suggestions? Would it not be a step backward to confine adult ads to venues that don't cooperate with law enforcement, that don't care what advocacy groups and nonprofits have to say? Quite a few concerned parties, including front line workers in this field, have told us it would.

craigslist started charging for "erotic services" at the repeated request of law enforcement, some of whom suggested fees of $100 or more. It was our idea to pledge net revenues to charity, an unprecedented pledge that no phone company or newspaper featuring adult ads ever took, and one which subjected us to significant state by-state regulatory burdens. This pledge was met with accusations of dishonesty, and ridicule that we thought any charity would want our "tainted" money. Can anyone blame us for announcing in May 2009 we would not repeat this pledge with adult services? As was made clear a year ago, craigslist will continue to engage in charitable giving, privately, and as it sees fit.

As to the quote from my earlier blog entry cited by Ms Lloyd, describing a "cynical misuse of a cause as important as human trafficking as a pretense for imposing one's own flavor of religious morality" -- how should we interpret a fundamentalist twitter campaign citing human trafficking as a reason for shutting down all of the craigslist personals categories, which together make up by far the most used personals service in the world? Surely a more constructive approach can be found than demonizing tens of millions of users of craigslist personals users, and effectively trivializing the suffering of actual trafficking victims.

In serving our users and the public as best we can, craigslist has to balance an immense amount of passionate and often conflicting feedback, and at the end of the day do what our consciences tell us is right. Certainly the adult services arena has exemplified that. And while there are no perfect solutions to difficult societal problems, craigslist is indisputably the "corporate responsibility" leader among the countless companies large and small that offer adult services ads. We will not rest on our laurels however, and are committed to doing even better.

craigslist has come a long way since I met with Ms Lloyd by video in 2008. I invite her to come and meet with me in person, as so many other experts in this field have done, to learn more about our approach, and help us make further improvements. That's how we've come this far, and it is our belief that by continuing to work together we will ultimately reach the goals all people of conscience share.

Read GEMS founder Rachel Lloyd's original post: "An Open Letter to Jim Buckmaster."

 
 
 
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12:14 AM on 05/13/2010
There are a few things that don’t make sense with this response. First, the idea that law enforcement needs participation to undergo a sting. If law enforcement places an ad on an adult site and they uncover illegal activity, they have the power to prosecute. Second, the idea that you are working along side experts. I’ve been following the issue of human trafficking for the past six years. I’ve yet to find one human trafficking expert who claims to be working with Craigslist.

Anti-human trafficking activists are not right wing fanatics who want to legislate everyone's sex life. They are people who believe that no person should be forced to work. The majority of young girls and boys who are exploited by the sex industry are “orphans” – foster children, homeless youth or children of broken homes. The victims who are brought to this country as sex slaves are either duped into believing they are brought here for legitimate jobs or they are simply kidnapped. This is a human rights violation, not a moral judgment.

This is a great read for anyone who wants to understand this problem in America -- http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/25/magazine/25SEXTRAFFIC.html

Since this story was published, people like Rachel Lloyd have fought hard for the New York Safe Harbor Act to protect minors who have been forced into sex worker. And there is still more work to do. I encourage people to learn about the anti-human trafficking movement.
11:52 PM on 05/11/2010
Adult services should remain a part of the listings.
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07:13 PM on 05/11/2010
Wow. A blunt and frank response that did NOT hound or belittle the original poster, and he stayed on point. I'm impressed.
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07:05 PM on 05/11/2010
That's a very reasonable reply to Rachel's letter. However, it is pointless because she has an agenda that has nothing to do with protecting under-age girls.

Rachel is a Puritan. And all Puritan's seek to outlaw or ban any activity where people seek pleasure. Rachel is hiding behind the 11-year old girl to advance her belief that nobody should be allowed to publicly advertise for sex or adult services. The Puritans will stop at nothing until the only "pleasure" available to anyone is the worship of their vengeful god.
06:09 PM on 05/20/2010
montex--Why don't you watch "Very Young Girls" which is a documentary about the young girls Rachel Lloyd helps. She is in the movie. I seriously doubt after watching her in this film that she is a "Puritan". As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure your claim of her being a Puritan is a total lie. Where is your proof? Why would you say such an outlandish thing unless you were trying to portrait her as right wing conservative moralist to advance your own agenda? I can think of only one reason. Rachel is not hiding behind an 11 year old girl. It is you who is hiding behind your own lie to protect a crime that Craigslist promotes. They DO NOT monitor their adult ads. I live in a small town, after reading Mr. Buckmaster's claim that a "human" proofs every adult ad I decided to check his claim in my local CL listings. I was shocked by what I read in the adults section. Prostitution is against the law... no matter what the age. Mr. Buckmaster is the biggest PIMP of them all. Stop lying for him and do your homework before spreading lies!
07:04 PM on 05/11/2010
(2)Later, I decided to get off the street. I got items off your free section, furniture, broken electronics, ect. that I fixed up and sold off your site. I found someone giving away a free mobile home if I paid a $100 a night to rent a patch of desert it sat on. I bought it. Furnished it entirely off of your Free section. Bought a $250 old truck that I fixed. I found abandoned trailers all around, which I stripped for parts and got more cabinets, doors, leftover bldg materials, ect off your free list. I was able to sell these mobile homes off your site for $1000-$8000 and make a decent living. Got all those fancy things like running water & electric. I met a regular buyer, a dealer in Albequeque off your site too. I posted myself as a handywoman and got a small business going. Later, I found a great job where I work sell advertising to contractors where I've been at for 7 years. The experience I had running a biz off your site got me the job, and is where I found the posting. I am now firmly middle class. I give a lot of stuff away on the free section.
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11:34 AM on 05/12/2010
Amazing story.
07:03 PM on 05/11/2010
(1)Thank you for all you do to help our communities connect and to help to alleviate our "disposable" society. With all the bad press you get over a few bad people using your venue, don't ever forget you also help people. I would like to tell you how you've helped me.

I was homeless 14 yr. old girl who was not sold on your site, but did find under-the-table work for $5/hr. as a dishwasher. Being to young to work I got paid less then the illegal imigrants there, but I learned how to work hard and I survied. Couldn't pay rent though, lived in abandoned building, bridges, tents, ect. I was able to find a guide to hopping trains on your site. Thank god for libraries. I was able to get around to migrant work for years. Finally got a $500 Chevy Nova of your site, found cheap mecahnix in many areas, and I made it.
05:19 PM on 05/11/2010
Thanks, Jim, for your response to Rachel. I hope that instead of pretending that shutting down Craigslist to consenting adults seeking legal outlets will somehow end the tragedy of human sexual trafficing, you and Craig can help people like Rachel who wish to end sexual predation where ever it occurs to understand what tools are available to her and to authorities.
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05:14 PM on 05/11/2010
Let me just say I applaud your commitment to "community" and what you've created was/is brilliant.

However the following rationale -

"For the sake of rescuing victims and prosecuting criminals, is it really a good idea to eliminate the only venue for adult service ads that is highly responsive to law enforcement? The only venue that seeks out nonprofit groups and readily adopts their suggestions?"

- is completely flawed. And the answer is ABSOLUTELY you should eliminate it. Or at least make it a wholly OTHER portion of your site, with different marketing, feel etc... Why?

Amazingly you've made Craig's List mainstream - it's like Main Street, USA. And because of that, it allows for a feeling of normalcy and it actually enables perpetrators of such crimes who can justify their criminality because they were able to place their ad on your site. Make criminals have to "slum" to peddle their wares and these incidents will radically decrease.

Leave the law enforcement to law enforcement. Or create a new portal, one that is very intimidating, has a different feel and is moderated by police and set up to catch criminals.

You can't have it both ways.
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05:34 PM on 05/11/2010
I couldn't agree with you less. It's no more Jim Buckmaster's job to shut down ANY public forum (Which Craig's List is since they're not motivated by profit) than it is for me to attempt to shut down the public street in my city where hookers advertise their wares. That's what we pay a lot of money in taxes to support endless law enforcement agencies for. If you're not happy about law enforcement, you should be complaining to law enforcement agencies, not Buckmaster . . .
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06:22 PM on 05/11/2010
I'm very happy with Law Enforcement which is why, instead of some lame rationale that his service site is actually HELPING law enforcement, that he should just leave law enforcement to law enforcement. (Hard to argue your service is helping anything when kids as young as 11 are being repeatedly sold from it, huh?) ALSO - My suggestion was not for him to "shut down" his site but simply brand his adult service aspect differently.

Clearly you missed my point in your haste to make your own but that's the beauty of America, you're entitled to your opinion. I would hazard a couple guesses though. You don't have daughters and it it were your runaway shopped around on this site you would feel differently about it.