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Posted: 11/03/11 03:08 PM ET

Last night, at the National Press Club here in Washington D.C., the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission and Sojourners co-sponsored a conversation between me and Richard Land on what the religious and moral issues will and should be in the upcoming election year -- about one year out from voting day.

The packed room of reporters demonstrated a high degree of interest in what the faith community's role might be in the upcoming election, at least in the opinion of two Christian leaders who are usually on different sides of politics, but who still call each other friends.

Amy Sullivan, of Time magazine, was our moderator and posed a series of questions to us before the audience joined in. Amy started by asking each of us what the primary issue/s would be for the faith community and what we would like them to be.

Richard said "the economy" would be the key issue and I agreed, pointing to the rising poverty rates and the basic questions about inequality raised by the Occupy movement. We differed over who was most responsible for the economic crisis -- I pointed to Wall Street and he blamed Washington (actually both bear responsibility); but we both spoke of poverty as a fundamental Christian concern.

We also agreed on the need for comprehensive immigration reform, having both addressed a conference on that imperative just last week, at an evangelical Christian college in the Midwest. Undocumented immigrants are in the biblical category of "the stranger" for Christians, and we are obligated to treat them as Jesus taught us to.

Land said it is "shameful" the way both political parties are using the issue for their own agendas. I noted that Leith Anderson, of the National Association of Evangelicals, said in the New York Times this week that the treatment of immigrants will be an issue that Christians will be watching in this election.

When Richard called for a "Manhattan Project" to remove the nation from dependence on fossil fuels and create a "clean energy nuclear future" I almost jumped out of my seat to say I agree with nearly all that -- except for the "nuclear" part. We agreed to discuss that in greater depth at a later time.

I suggested that evangelical Christians should unite in defense of the low-cost, but very cost-effective, foreign aid that feeds millions of hungry people around the world, keeps hundreds of thousands of infants from being born with HIV/AIDS, vaccinates millions against life-threatening diseases, and provides tens of millions of malaria bed nets that save lives in the global south.

Richard lifted up specific programs such as PEPFAR and the Millennium Development Accounts, which were developed under President George W. Bush and have enjoyed wide bi-partisan support, but are now in great jeopardy in the deficit reduction process. Some cuts can kill, we agreed.

Both of us talked about the broken system in Washington, now being protested by both the tea party and the Occupy movement, and the need for people of faith to hold our political and economic leaders accountable.

We disagreed on nuclear weapons policy, as on the causes of the 2008 recession, and the safety and sustainability of nuclear power plants. But, when the issue of Herman Cain's problems with accusations of sexual harassment came up, we both affirmed the deep connections between personal integrity and public leadership.

And we both agreed that Mitt Romney's Mormon religion should not be a factor in the election. Rather, we instead should examine a candidate's moral compass and policy positions.

One of the most interesting things about last night's event were the issues that did not come up: abortion and gay marriage.

Both are issues Richard and I care about, even if we have different solutions and perspectives on how to address them. And yet the topics simply never arose, neither in any of the questions from Sullivan or the audience, nor in our responses to them.

Abortion and gay marriage are the two subjects that have dominated discussions of religion and politics for many years. But they weren't even on the radar during our public conversation at the National Press Club Wednesday evening.

Richard raised the subject of marriage as an important antidote to poverty, another point on which we agree. And we both know that reducing poverty reduces the number of abortions, something we both support. Still, neither gay marriage nor abortion was mentioned.

People of faith -- including evangelical Christians -- will be voting both ways in the upcoming election. It is simply not true that they will be voting only on one or two issues.

And, if evangelicals focus on many of the issues central to their faith, rather than becoming partisan cheerleaders, they might be able to raise some critical issues in this election and to hold both sides more accountable, even in a campaign that both Richard and I suspect will be one of the ugliest in U.S. history.

At the end of the evening, Amy remarked that if the upcoming election debates were as civil and substantive as this evening was, we would all be very grateful.

Richard and I disagree about some things and agree about others, yet we were able to model respectful and dynamic public discourse.

Even if we end up canceling out each other's votes a year from now on Election Day 2012, if in the intervening months more evangelicals and people of faith join the Great Conversation, we all win.

portrait-jim-wallis11Jim Wallis is the author of Rediscovering Values: A Guide for Economic and Moral Recovery, and CEO of Sojourners. He blogs at www.godspolitics.com. Follow Jim on Twitter @JimWallis.

 
 
 

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10:34 PM on 11/07/2011
THERE IS ONLY ISSUE THAT'S IMPORTANT ABORTION WHY ALL OTHER ISSUES ARE MATERIALISTIC. BUT ABORTION IS LIFE OR DEATH. I CHOOSE LIFE AS I BELIEVE JESUS WOULD. I WOULD VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT IF HE OR SHE WAS PRO-LIFE. THE OTHER PROBLEM IS I HAVENT SEEN A TRUE DEMOCRAT FOR A ALOT OF YEARS.
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gemmax
11:56 AM on 11/07/2011
@ 'I suggested that evangelical Christians should unite in defense of the low-cost, but very cost-effective, foreign aid that feeds millions of hungry people around the world, keeps hundreds of thousands of infants from being born with HIV/AIDS, vaccinates millions against life-threatening diseases, and provides tens of millions of malaria bed nets that save lives in the global south.'

This should be a human concern, however, those of us who claim to be Christians should always remember the instructions of Christ who taught us to feed and cloth and care for anyone and everyone who needs it.
Did I miss any discussion of war? IMO If we are to survive in any social and economic way, we have to stop making war. Our servicemen can be used at home. We will always have a military and we pay them, whatever they are doing and wherever they are. Let's put them to work in a constructive manner. They can protect our borders, begin infrastructure projects that we need, work to help immigrants find their way to citizenship. Let's put them to work on developing weapons that do not require manpower if we find it necessary to keep tyrants in line. Let's insist that every act of retribution or war have a beginning and an end.
Write to your congress peopleand tell them how you feel. It is only in numbers that we can make our votes count.
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DangerousTalk
National Atheist Examiner - http://exm.nr/j1EA0c
01:51 AM on 11/06/2011
I'm not a "person of faith," I'm part of the "community of reason" and the way we see it is a little differently. we don't think religious leaders should be involved in government at all. That is why you guys don't have to pay taxes. Maybe we could solve our economic problems if we taxed the churches and used that money to feed the poor. That seems like the reasonable thing to do.

P.S. According to his book, "God's Politics," Jim Wallis was opposed to gay marriage. Has that changed? Or do you still believe that Christians hold the monopoly on who should and shouldn't get married?
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gemmax
11:42 AM on 11/07/2011
So you believe that only atheists should be able to run for office?
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DangerousTalk
National Atheist Examiner - http://exm.nr/j1EA0c
07:42 PM on 11/07/2011
?? I have no idea where you even came up with that.
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gemmax
12:08 PM on 11/07/2011
did you just slip that in there ; I'm referring to "community of reason" to be discreet? LOL. I know that you know better than to say that Christians do not have to pay taxes. christians nationwide probably not only pay more taxes, but also give more to the poor, privately and do more through organized churches than any other group in this country. There is much about some organized churches that I do not agree with, but I do know that they give. Most churches in this country are small poor organizations who barely support their pastors. They are not the mega churches that you see on television. The money given to churches has already been taxed, and to tax it again would take food right out of the mouths of children and the homeless. If you want to increase tax revenue, stop supporting farmers and tax huge corporations whose income has not been taxed
already.
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DangerousTalk
National Atheist Examiner - http://exm.nr/j1EA0c
07:43 PM on 11/07/2011
Churches pay taxes? Since when? Now you are just making shit up.
03:31 PM on 11/05/2011
If I were a "person of faith" I would be so embarrassed about the influence of religious groups on federal policies that I would just hide. Name a backward, hurtful policy -- from defunding reasonable family planning programs in developing nations to bankrolling oppressive dictators to denying equality under the law to gays in America -- and chances are good that a big church group is behind it. Sure, religious groups do some good work around the world, but the good is overshadowed by the bad work they do in America and around the globe. Think about that when you get ready to vote next time.
04:45 PM on 11/04/2011
Wallis is clear that he means a conversation within the "faith Community" which seems to mean Protestant Christianity. I cannot detect what he, or Land, think about the concerns of Catholics, Mormons, Jews, Muslims, atheists and so on who do not belong to his community. From this post and other things Wallis has written I think his main concern is the wide-spread notion that the 1% have captured the evangelicals. In any case the 1% have not captured Jim Wallis.

But is his thesis correct ? I sense whistling in the dark. I sense saying it is so in order to make it so. In other words, I fear he is wrong - the 1% has captured the evangelicals. It was easy to do - all they had to do come out against what the evangelicals are against - most notably abortion. The 1% are utterly indifferent to abortion (when they need one they know where to go) and their opposition is, like so many other things they do, hypocritical.

So is what the evangelicals aspire to membership in the 1% ? Jesus would not approve.
Listen to televangelists awhile and decide for yourself.
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John Camp
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01:06 PM on 11/04/2011
Right or left, pastors should stay out of politics or get out of the pulpit. Period. 2 Timothy 2:14 "No soldier gets entangled in civilian pursuits, since his aim is to please the one who enlisted him."
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gemmax
12:14 PM on 11/07/2011
"Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you".

"Give unto Caesar what is Caesars and to God what is God's."

Should Christians stay out of politics? No. Should they teach it in their churches? No. IMO In this Age of Redemption, Christian pastprs should have one message and that is the message of Christ Himself.
10:47 AM on 11/04/2011
Look, God is an illusion, Jesus a myth. This is becoming clearer every year.
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gemmax
12:16 PM on 11/07/2011
Not in your lifetime or mine unless Christ comes back before we die.
10:47 PM on 11/07/2011
THERE'S MORE PROOF THAT JESUS EXISTED, THAN THERE'S IS PROOF THAT YOU EXIST.
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sposton
right to tell what they don't want to hear
10:26 AM on 11/04/2011
"People of faith -- including evangelical Christians -- will be voting both ways in the upcoming election. It is simply not true that they will be voting only on one or two issues."

But they will still be voting for candidates of the two kleptocratic parties! What would Jesus say about that? ;-)
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wallyone
09:16 AM on 11/04/2011
The vast majority of evangelicals will base their vote on abortion. It trumps all other considerations and issues, although supplemented by gun control, gay marriage, etc. Trust me, this is true for the rank and file.
10:49 PM on 11/07/2011
ABORTION IS THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE FOR ME ALL OTHER ARE MATERIALISTIC
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laoshi
my micro-bio is now not empty.
08:17 AM on 11/04/2011
I guess people without faith aren't allowed in the "great conversation".
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gemmax
12:00 PM on 11/07/2011
There was a category in religion for atheism. I don't see it now. Was there no interest or what?
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syrius
Excuse me, EXCUSE ME!
07:18 AM on 11/04/2011
It's time to get rid of the tax exempt status of religious organizations.
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gemmax
12:01 PM on 11/07/2011
Which organizations are those? What about the tax exempt status of giant farmers and ? Excuse me, I should have asked, why is it that we pay farmers to farm, particularly tobacco?
lastpost
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06:46 AM on 11/04/2011
"cancelling out each other's votes"
As far as Christmas gifts go, I’ve got down referendum. So the 99% can decide for themselves what they really want. And a framed portrait of their own worst enemy, for the psychopathic 1% in power. Actually it’s a mirror, but I doubt they’ll be insightful enough to realise that. And anyway, what do you give to those who already have everything?
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Tulka2
Solidarity. Courage. Humor.
01:38 AM on 11/04/2011
How interesting that "abortion and gay marriage did not come up". So... do those turn out to be"luxury issues" for the right-wing. When the rubber hits the road, you think they will sober up?
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Tulka2
Solidarity. Courage. Humor.
01:33 AM on 11/04/2011
I always admire how even handed you are, but it's not Democrats who are trying to cut food-stamps at a time when half the people eating food-stamp food are children. 

"Faith without good works is an empty thing." 
MGhamma
Reality is 100% biased!
01:13 AM on 11/04/2011
Good grief!

What a dog and pony show.

Come back Rev when you have something meaningful to say.