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Will Politicians Listen to Pastors?

Posted: 07/14/11 04:41 PM ET

The way you think and feel about the world is shaped by what you see when you get out of bed in the morning. I remember hearing this from civil rights activists. It simply means that perspective is hugely determined by place, context, and vantage point. This is profoundly true for me and most of the people I've ever met. You see the world from the place you live.

Part of the problem in the current budget impasse in Washington, D.C. is the perspectives of the politicians in the debate. Every morning they see and hear each other; the gladiator ring of national politics; the Washington media; their donors; their ideological base; and their latest poll ratings. Sure enough, the perspective that dominates politicians of both parties on the budget is who's up and who's down; whose power is growing or diminishing; whose constituents and donors are better organized and get their interests in front of the lawmakers; what the pollsters say; and how the end result of the debate will impact electoral gains. This perspective also dominates the news coverage.

So we at Sojourners thought there needed to be another perspective in this debate, and that the nation needed other voices. We need to hear from people who see and hear something different from politicians when they get up in the morning -- real people who are struggling, some of whom are poor, families, children, and the elderly, and maybe people whose job forces them to have to read the Bible.

I'm talking about local pastors. Every day, pastors relate with the people in their congregations and communities. Pastors can't avoid the real world, which is so easy to do in Washington, D.C.

We wondered, what do pastors think about the budget debate? We decided to go to them and ask them to speak out, and now they have. "An Open Letter to Congress and the President" was initiated by a group of pastors two weeks ago and sent out to their colleagues. Their letter talked about the real people who will be most impacted by this debate, and that any budget deal should be evaluated by how it affects the poorest and most vulnerable. God requires this of us, they asserted. We decided to try for 1,000 signatures from local pastors -- in July, when so many people are away, when things are shutting down for the summer, when it's hardest to get a response on anything. It was an act of faith. So far, in two weeks, 4,700 pastors have responded and made their voices clear. A full page ad titled, "Listen to Your Pastors" appeared in Politico yesterday. A copy of the ad with a full list of signers is here. You can also listen to a press call I moderated on Wednesday featuring Rev. Rich Nathan, Rev. Nadia Bolz-Weber, and Rev. Derrick Harkins.

"The recession has cost hundreds of our church members' jobs and homes," said Rev. Rich Nathan, senior pastor of the Vineyard Church of Columbus in Columbus, Ohio. "But I am concerned about something that has even more devastating consequences for our nation: the adoption of a philosophy that says, 'I got mine! You're on your own!' Jesus had an infinitely wiser philosophy for building a flourishing society: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' This is as meaningful in today's budget debates as it was two thousand years ago in ancient Israel."

Growing numbers of Christians are condemning the immorality of extending tax breaks and benefits for the wealthy, while programs that help the poor and vulnerable meet their most basic needs are being cut. The clergy signers of the letter told political leaders, "We work, pray, and do whatever we can to remain faithful to the responsibility of every Christian to help the poor. Still, we can't meet the crushing needs by ourselves." They reminded Congress that government is a critical and necessary partner in serving the common good.

Rev. Nadia Bolz-Weber, founding pastor of House for All Sinners and Saints in Denver, Colorado, was also a recipient of a program that could be cut. "As a member of the clergy and a mother of two children with strong minds and bodies -- which benefited for three years from WIC [the Women, Infants, and Children program] -- I stand with all Christians in America who believe the cries of the poor and the cries of the children are not only the very voice of Christ, but are indeed the sound of our future waiting for response," Rev. Bolz-Weber said. "How shall we answer?"

In their letter, the clergy rejected the false choice between moral and fiscal responsibility, and reminded political leaders of the need to get our country's finances in order without making the poor bear the burden of deficit reduction. "This is not about some nameless, faceless 'other.' The choices politicians make about the budget will harm or help our neighbors," said Rev. Derrick Harkins, senior pastor of the Nineteenth Street Baptist Church in Washington, D.C. "We want to serve those who don't have lobbyists on K Street. Our budget is a moral document, and it is either going to reflect the best of who we are, or the worst."

Christian opposition to budgets cuts that harm low-income people continues to grow. In May, more than 50 of America's most prominent Christian leaders formed a "Circle of Protection" coalition that laid out principles and values for a moral budget. Thousands of people of faith have since joined this campaign.

Our country is in the midst of a clash between two competing moral visions, between those who believe in the common good, and those who believe individual good is the only good. A war has been declared on the poor, and it is a moral imperative that people of faith and conscience fight on the side of the most vulnerable. Pastors have spoken up. Will the lawmakers listen to their pastors? This may be the only hope we have as we grimace in listening to reports of their budget debates. Hoping the politicians listen to their pastors is also an act of faith in July. But you never know.

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Jim Wallis is the author of Rediscovering Values: A Guide for Economic and Moral Recovery, and CEO of Sojourners. He blogs at www.godspolitics.com. Follow Jim on Twitter @JimWallis.

 
 
 

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12:42 AM on 07/17/2011
I don't believe the politicians will listen to the pastors. Especially not the GOP. Their faith and their gods are money and power and nothing else.

The question really is - will the people listen to the pastors? Revolution can happen when enough people are fed up with things. Will the people get out and vote? Will they become more politically and socially active? And most importantly - will they think about the long term consequences of their political choices and know lasting solutions sometimes take longer than we'd like? That is where change must and will happen. It won't happen in the House or the Senate, or in any governor's mansion or state capitol.
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Vic22
"I write to make it right, don't like what I see"
08:17 PM on 07/16/2011
Hopefully this is heard by the people on the right who cling to the bible and Fox news, yet conveniently skip over all the parts where Jesus says to take care of the poor
09:08 PM on 07/15/2011
It is a sin for Christians to surrender their responsibility to the Govt instead of doing so themselves as unto Christ. When we surrender this to the Govt, we are taking away the glory from God and giving it to the Govt instead. This is idolotry. God cannot be glorified if we stop doing this in the name of Jesus and as unto Jesus.

Any comparison to OT examples in this case simply cannot be justified. Israel was a theocracy and God was at the center of the Govt. That is not the case with us.

Christians must resist this veiled attempt to link Christianity with govt welfare.

As an added element. It cannot be giving from the heart when you FORCE people to give to the govt. I suggest that those who are promoting this ungodly agenda reconsider

Pastor Larry Robinson
07:23 AM on 07/16/2011
"When we surrender this to the Gov, we are taking away the glory from God and giving it to the Govt instead. This is idolotry"
You have proven my case. It is a power grab by the Christians. You cannot stand to have both Christians and the Gov. help people, you have to stop the Gov. from doing so to keep power for only yourself, no matter how many people you hurt. You make Christianity sound immoral and sick. If I were a Christian with any morals I'd be mad at you for giving Christianity a bad name. But they do not speak up. "ungodly" Un your god. What an arrogant, aggressive, disrespectful, hostile statement that is. To assume that your way is the only way and demonize everyone else who may not believe as you do is immoral and abusive. Boy, people like you give what was good about Christ a bad name.
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EQ8Rhomes
08:34 PM on 07/15/2011
Jim Wallace assumes that certain ideological institutions care about the "common good" and non-members do not. It's not valid.
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busterggi
I'm a Sally Randian
04:21 PM on 07/15/2011
No, politicians should listen to their constituents within the limits of the Constitution not the representatives of an invisible sky fairy. Besides padre, have you noticed that the greediest Rethugricans always have plenty of pastors they can call their own?
04:16 PM on 07/15/2011
Some vocal and influential Christians take the position that it is the exclusive right of the Christian religion to take care of the poor, and that government is evil if it takes care of the poor. That is why they are trying to destroy governments ability to take care of the poor. These Christians see the Gov. as competition. Give your money to me, the churches say, and I choose if I want to take care of the poor or not. Of course they can make conditions, they must join our religion, be the right race, do as we say, think as we think, and vote how we tell them to. Churches may also get money from the Gov. Making people dependent only on them gives power to the churches. When the Gov. has a program to benefit the poor, it is for everybody, people don't have to rely on the church. This is a power game where the most vulnerable in our society are cruely used as pawns by the Churches.
RedneckLiberal
Redneck is not synonymous with Conservative
03:33 PM on 07/15/2011
I would prefer to have the politicians listen to their conscience. Unfortunately, getting elected at the national level is a good indicator that you have no conscience, compassion or empathy.

How about they just listen to the voters and work to implement the will of the people? Polls have made it very clear that the majority of Americans think the rich pay too little and that budget cuts should come from corporate welfare, defense spending and the end of two useless and idiotic wars. If the politicians would listen to that and actually do it, we would be well on our way to an economic recovery.
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Guscat
02:57 PM on 07/15/2011
With many pastors in the US being anti-gay, anti-science, anti-any religion other than Christianity, and in the Catholic Church against punishing child molesters it is best if polticians not listen to pastors.
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chaz
02:40 PM on 07/15/2011
No they won't listen. Because Republican teababaggers only listen to Fox and Rush.
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gibranII
seeking peace through equality
04:37 PM on 07/19/2011
well they only listen to those folks to reaffirm their own fears
RedneckLiberal
Redneck is not synonymous with Conservative
02:33 PM on 07/15/2011
The politicians HAVE been listening to their pastors for years. They listened when they opposed rights for gays. They listened when they opposed abortion rights for women. They listened when the moral majority rose to prominence and demanded allegiance to their brand of theology and bigotry. I think we've had enough of politicians listening to their pastors.

I would prefer to have the politicians listen to their conscience. Unfortunately, getting elected at the national level is a good indicator that you have no conscience, compassion or empathy.

How about they just listen to the voters and work to implement the will of the people? Polls have made it very clear that the majority of Americans think the rich pay too little and that budget cuts should come from corporate welfare, defense spending and the end of two useless and idiotic wars. If the politicians would listen to that and actually do it, we would be well on our way to an economic recovery.
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EQ8Rhomes
08:46 PM on 07/15/2011
Remember Billy Graham and his reach into the White house? Not all pastors are pastoral. And every politician's "conscience" is rooted in some ideology--which may not be inclusive and very partisan.
Economic recovery depends on every citizen's self-control. Individual lack of discipline is a traitorous threat to the nation and the world.
Recessions and depressions are just red flags. No government can pull selfish and profligate people out of the hell they create --without mass participation -- on a "war footing" without war.
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DangerousTalk
National Atheist Examiner - http://exm.nr/j1EA0c
02:12 PM on 07/15/2011
"Pastors can't avoid the real world" lmao, that's a good one. Isn't it a pastor's job to avoid the real world and to propagate the fictional world of the Bible?
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gibranII
seeking peace through equality
02:39 PM on 07/15/2011
people who follow the dogma of atheism blindly are no different than those whose beliefs are based on a different type of faith.. both put their energy into proven the other wrong when in fact they should be understanding of the individual choices and work collectively for a better world.. not a dogmatic inflexible one.
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EQ8Rhomes
08:49 PM on 07/15/2011
That's right--the dogma is the problem. But also, there are so many dogmas--each claiming to be THE DOGMA!
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Steve Lives
The Venus Project ... look it up
03:31 PM on 07/19/2011
The dogma of atheism?? LOL. And what would that be? Give me an example of atheist dogma.
Dogma: a fixed, especially religious, belief or set of beliefs that people are expected to accept without any doubts.
It is not dogma that leads an atheist to discount the delusional belief in a skydaddy, it is lack of evidence.
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chaz
02:42 PM on 07/15/2011
Dangeroustalk,

Every Priest and nun I have ever none preached kindness.
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OtayPanky
You're welcome
02:06 PM on 07/15/2011
It's good to see how many of the comments are from progressives who don't want any religious peddling from anyone when it comes to our politics.

The problem with encouraging the religious minded to speak from a religious perspective is easy to understand. Even if you agree with the pastors on this issue, you'll find a lot of those same pastors have reactionary religious stances when it comes to other social issues - such as woman's right to choose, and the right of homosexuals to be legally and civilly married.

So we should NEVER, EVER give anyone a special dispensation just because they're pastors.

You want to speak to the rest of us? Then speak to us as FELLOW CITIZENS - nothing more, and nothing else.
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returntocommonsense
Democracy is a verb - or at least it should be.
02:04 PM on 07/15/2011
Will Politicians Listen to Pastors?

Not until they put the country and its people before their own ambitions, party and ideology. Being a politician is not compatible with being a Christian.
01:55 PM on 07/15/2011
If Wallace is concerned about the poor receiving enough money, then perhaps Wallace could remind pastors about the biblical use of tithes (Deuteronomy 26:12). According to the Old Testament, the tithe is a welfare tax that is supposed to be used to meet the physical needs of people trapped in poverty. Sure, the Bible mentions tithes being given to Levites also, but modern-day pastors are not Levites. Indeed, churches habitually use tithes to pay for things not required by the Bible, instead of using all tithes to take care of the poor, just as the Bible requires.

Regarding the New Testament, nowhere does it say that Christians are to make a civil government take money away from one group of people and give it to another group of people. Instead, the New Testament encourages Christians to use their own money to help the poor.

Apparently, Wallace is reading into the Bible something that isn't there while ignoring what is there.

On the other hand, Wallace isn't demanding that the federal budget be enlarged or that federal taxes be increased. He just doesn't want programs that aid impoverished people to lose federal funding. If Wallace's goal is simply to protect such programs, then I have no argument against that.

I have spent over half of my life being in the battle against poverty, and I have done so using my own money. I do not expect governments to do the job that individual Christians and churches are supposed to do.
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gibranII
seeking peace through equality
02:36 PM on 07/15/2011
unfortunately the government passed on health-care in the early part of the last century hoping that Churches and benevolent societies would take up the slack... the mentality then as it is now.. other people should take care of themselves...but my people should have the benefits of their hard work..

disparity is always going to be part of the equation.. it is up to us what we do about it and who is ultimately responsible.. I don't have any problem paying taxes on people in transition.. I do have problems paying for governments that oppress people just because we need them to do our bidding.
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Forrester1
01:47 PM on 07/15/2011
Man will never be truly free until the last king is strangled with the entrails from the last priest.
Diderot

Truer words were never spoken.
de-meme-ing
Buying USA Feeds USA, Supports/Preserves USA
03:33 PM on 07/15/2011
It will never happen.

Last night I had an epiphany regarding the framers of the constitution; they embraced the Divine Right of Kings, hiding themselves and their intent in a new pair of pants, deism. And today, I had another one.........so do atheists.

Gotta chuckle about these things.

While the deist acknowledges God, God doesn't intervene. Atheists, not to be outdone, claim, "What God, there is no God, I am King."

Or, to put it in the words of Alexander Pope, "From Nature's chain whatever link you strike, 10th or 10,000th, breaks the chain alike"
04:18 PM on 07/15/2011
Interesting, but that would make freedom contingent on murder. Not sure that's where you want to be morally.
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Forrester1
07:25 AM on 07/16/2011
It may very well have meant murder in Diderot's time, as happened to the French monarchy after the French revolution in 1789.
Today I think it means intellectual marginalization, with the realization that both aristocracy and religion (which tend to be joined at the hip) should be recognized as antiquated notions which, like viruses, tend to be destructive forces in progressive democracies.