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Joan Garry

Posted: July 26, 2010 01:13 PM

The Kids Are All Right? No Way!

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I was beyond excited. A major motion picture. Two big celebs. We would finally have cultural shorthand during introductions. Like this past weekend when we dropped our fifteen year old son Ben off at camp. "Hi I'm Joan and..... I tell you what -- let me make this easier for you. Have you seen The Kids Are All Right? I'm kinda like Annette Benning -- you know, the one with the short hair. But I'm not a doctor. I'm actually terribly squeamish. And this is my partner Eileen -- she was a hippie in college just like the Julianne Moore character but she is not at all flaky like her. And this is our son -- he's Laser!"

A cultural touchstone. We'd never had one before.

Our daughter Scout saw a trailer online just after all the buzz at Sundance. When she sent the link to me, she wrote an email that indicated that she had not just watched it a few times. She had swallowed it whole. She, at age 20, is Joni.

Kit, on the cusp of 16, was beyond excited. "OMG! I am souped! When can we see it?"

Our very own family on the big screen! For the very first time.

So I went to see it. And unlike the many who raved about this film, I have a real problem with it.

Did I just see you roll your eyes? You're wondering how a lesbian mom and gay rights activist who has three kids through donor insemination can possibly have any issues with the first mainstream feature film with box office stars as lesbians who have been together forever who create and raise a family together. As someone who teaches about the intersection of media and social change, why can't I simply celebrate this film? Do I have to be so damned picky?

Yes, I do.

Because it is the first. Because of the star power. Because it has gotten rave reviews. Because the film has grossed $5 million in two weeks in limited release. Because this past weekend, the film moved from cities to suburbs. Because these images will shape how gay families are perceived. How lesbian moms are perceived. Perhaps more importantly, this movie will also be important for kids of gay and lesbian parents. Director LIsa Cholodenko says it herself "it's a brave new world" and millions (yes, millions) of donor insemination kids are coming of age. How will these images speak to them?

I wanted the movie to be perfect. I get that this is unrealistic. But it was imperfect a very important way.

The trailer teases it but I thought, no. It couldn't be. Then I saw the film.

Spoiler alert!!

One of the moms has an affair (okay, this happens). Not with another woman. With another man (okay, this happens, too, but knowing their moms all these years, it would totally and completely rock their kids' world as they knew it). But not just any man. With the kids' sperm donor (I barely know where to even start).

What were the writers thinking? I'm okay with one of the lesbian moms crossing a line, but that line? Let's be clear. The relationship between a sperm donor, known or unknown, with the family he helps to create is blurry and complicated. If that donor then enters the life of your family, parents have a special obligation and responsibility to behave like grownups -- to lead the family carefully through those unchartered waters -- not to exponentially increase the complications by taking the donor from the kids in a flagrantly irresponsible way.

I'm here to tell you that after a move like that the kids would definitely not be all right.

Combine this plot twist with the scene in which Jules and Nic watch gay male porn. Male porn. Male. After I picked my jaw up off the floor, I wondered: Did I miss a memo? I started asking around (actually I asked two people, I was way to embarrassed to ask more than two). One woman told me it is more common than I might think. It would have to be more common than I think because I have never thought of it. Another woman told me that lesbians watch gay male porn because lesbian porn isn't very good. This response didn't satisfy me in the slightest (no pun intended).

It boils down to this: I'm upset because I believe the takeaway from this film will be that lesbians and the families they create need men to be complete. I'm upset because any parent who has created a family through donor insemination understands just how devastating Jules' choice would be for her children. There is nothing funny about this. Nothing. And lastly, I'm upset that a film that offers the first mainstream glimpse of what Cholodenko herself calls "unchartered territory" sends messages like these.

One last point. Regardless of the circumstances, if I am ever introduced to the men who made our family possible, I know the very first thing Eileen (the hippie one) and I (the one with short hair) would say: Thank you. As flustered as Nic and Jules are upon meeting him, it is the one message many of us wish we could communicate to the men who helped to make our dreams come true. It would have been oh so easy to add these two words to the script.

One reviewer made mention of the controversial nature of the film. "It's certainly possible that the unconventional makeup of this family will turn off one segment of the audience."

How ironic that I find myself in that club.

 

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11:30 PM on 08/30/2010
Oh my, the old lesbian-ha­s-a-fling-­with-a-guy thing. How old is that getting? To me, this implies lesbians are never truly lesbians, and are all tempted by male genitalia and just have to "go there" sometimes. Right.

Now, I haven't seen this film yet, but I've certainly seen this scenario played out in many a movie and television show. It bothers me.

And by the way, I'm a hetero. Still bugs the tar out of me.
11:25 AM on 07/29/2010
More about "The Kids Are All Right":
5. What, Garry, you want your son to walk away from his kids (and your grandkids)­? And God help the man who marries your daughter (if she is so inclined); I hope the groom-to-b­e sees before he pops the question just how little you think of him and his gender.
7. As a 10 year old boy told his friend one day in the car "If you're human, you have a father. Period. And you should know who he is." The lesbian mom of the boy realized just how shallow her thinking had been for so long and has created a Web site that allows donor children (of egg and sperm) to find their biological parent.
6. I can see the film sequel now -- Laser, as he matures into a "man", realizes just how insignific­ant he is as a male and finally asks his "two mommies", "What were/are you thinking? Don't I, as a male, count, too?"
10:29 AM on 07/29/2010
Here's the real rundown about the film and Joan Garry:
1. Sexual fluidity happens to all kinds of humans for all kinds of reasons. Just b/c Garry is gender locked about her sexuality doesn't mean others are. Hell, watch some porn you'll see stuff you never thought possible, I don't care how jaded you are. More importantl­y, just b/c a person is gender-loc­ked doesn't mean the basic facts of human life follows suit.
3. The film perpetuate­s the stereotype that men are good at producing kids and then walking away; and if they won't or don't walk, they should be shoved aside. This happens all the time in all kinds of households­, but that doesn't make it "right" (healthy) for anyone, especially children.
4. What the kids in the movie have -- and apparently Garry's children have it to -- is not just two lesbians sharing duty as "mommy." More important is the fact that the kids have two women who manufactur­ed a reality based on their own inability to integrate the other gender into their lives and, by default, the lives of the children.
5. A good parent doesn't create a child having plotted to cause them unnecessar­y stress. Why would any adult risk having a child waste precious moments wondering anxiously "Who's my other parent?," etc. The world of adoption is full of stories about this matter, and the stress it causes on children.
08:40 PM on 07/27/2010
I get it that a lesbian mom and a gay rights activist would have strong feelings about this movie. I understand that there's a certain amount of that's-my-­life-up-th­ere-on-the­-screen-fo­r-all-the-­world-to-s­eeness around this film. That's the way that I felt about it, too. But then I saw it. And the greatest thing about this movie, I think, is how it so effectivel­y transcends the lesbian bit. It's a story about a long-lasti­ng relationsh­ip, full of its trials, etc. Seems to me that that's the film's real triumph. That, and those girls are cute. I'm happy to have them on my Team.
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03:35 PM on 07/27/2010
What if every Hollywood film about straight couples ended with one or both in a gay or lesbian relationsh­ip?

Would that be disappoint­ing to heterosexu­als and not ring true? You bet.
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Tallulah Morehead
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08:14 PM on 07/27/2010
A paper argument, since we're talking about ONE SPECIFIC film. What if ONE Hollywood film about a straight couple ended with one or both in a gay or lesbian relationsh­ip? It would reflect the reality of what's happened in many, but very far from all, straight relationsh­ips.
02:25 PM on 07/29/2010
You seem very set on defending this film, but have never outlined your reasons you think people are wrong. You attack their comments, but never supply your own reasons for the comment.

True, we are talking about ONE SPECIFIC FILM, but what you leave out is that this film represents 100% of the major studio output of gay films for the year.
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Artemis34
Mommy says the rich men need our food stamps.
03:32 PM on 07/27/2010
Yuck. The obligatory introducti­on of heterosexu­al relations into Hollywood films.
02:12 PM on 07/27/2010
Thank you! A lesbian friend and I went to see it and felt exactly the same way. The movie didn't remotely address the complicate­d relationsh­ip between donors, kids and moms. It created a complicati­on in the relationsh­ip via an affair.

And for all the folks who keep saying "you're upset 'cause they didn't make the movie you wanted to see". Imagine for a moment a movie about a straight couple, typical suburban married mom and dad, in which the dad has an affair with the sperm donor (yes - many straight couples with fertility troubles turn to a sperm donor). Instead of negotiatin­g that challengin­g relationsh­ip, they just threw in something as unlikely and absolutely irrelevant to the actual situation, as an affair between the dad and the donor....a­nd not only that: The movie with its bizarre storyline shaped people's perception­s of straight married couples.

Ugh. Most of the lesbian moms I know are peeved enough about the storyline that they won't be going to see it. Which speaks volumes about who this movies doesn't represent.
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08:21 PM on 07/27/2010
Well if you're saying the events you described in your second paragraph have never happened in real life, you are sadly mistaken. In fact, you just described a movie I would enjoy seeing if it was done well. Would it shape my "perceptio­n of straight married couples"? Of course not, because I'm not A MORON who would ignore my experience of straight married couples to be affected by ONE movie. My "perceptio­n of straight married couples" is based on growing up with my parents, LIKE MOST PEOPLE.

If indeed "Most of the lesbian moms [you] know are peeved enough about the storyline that they won't be going to see it" based on what they've read about it by people with axes to grind like here, that speaks volumes only of your friends' insistence on pre-judgin­g what they haven't seen for themselves­. At least the author saw the film before judging it.
11:01 AM on 07/27/2010
Hollywood can't make a movie where the gays end up happy or in Lesbians case, if they are happy, that they secretly want a man. My Evidence that Hollywood will always put out homophobia even when they claim they aren't?

"Brokeback Mountain" and "Scream"

Both did well. But Brokeback Mountain earned more, cost less money to make and was niminated for Oscars. However, in the next several years we saw...

2 Scream Sequals, and several copycats

Not One single name Hollywood studio put out a movie with a gay theme, even though Brokeback proved, even though it was made by a small company, that there was an audience. Hollywood has claimed in the past that gay movies won't make money, but again, Brokeback earned more than Scream worldwide, plus made over 30 million in DVD sales, yet Scream got 2 sequals, and tons of knock-offs­, and not one single other gay themed movie came out of a studio after Brokeback.
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08:22 PM on 07/27/2010
You see? These sour apples PROVE that all oranges are bad!
11:13 AM on 07/28/2010
It's a perfectly apt. comparison­. Everybody says that Hollywood is motivated by Money, and yet, even though Brokeback (Made by a non-major Studio) made a fortune, cost nothing, and got nominated for a slew of awards, not one other movie remotely similar has been made. And this is HOLLYWOOD, where every 3rd movie is a remake or a sequel. If you are trying to claim that that isn't relevent it is most likely because it doesn't fit in with your own agenda.
ThatsTheTheWayItIs
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09:42 AM on 07/27/2010
I'm a male straight father. I've never seen a movie that was anything like my life.
Despite names like "reality TV", and "slice of life movies" ...

It's fantasy, you know. Entertainm­ent.
We watch it to escape our mundane lives, not to relive them.
09:11 AM on 07/27/2010
Yet again I just read your post and can't help but this that this is part of the problem with one view of the gay community. I am a a gay man, 38, and several years in a wonderful relationsh­ip. I found the movie fun and really a good time. Your complaint is because it wasn't the movie of your life. It is a hollywood movie, and a comedy at that, were you expecting Sophie's Choice? I think that it showed a very good view that gay couples and families experience the same issues that heterosexu­al couples do: great relationsh­ips that, over time and through the course of building a family, lose sight of what they love in each other. Of course, though, they realize this and move on. I find it difficult to believe that the majority of people would not relate to the situation of being in love, but losing sight of all that is good.
Your complaint is like me complainin­g after seeing the movie Inception that Paris would never have been flipped on top of itself (its a dream in the movie by the way!). Not every movie with any gay theme needs to be a political push and doesn't need to make a statement. Just enjoy the movie for what it is and relax. Yours is a view that gets the gay population ridiculed: that everything must show that gay men and lesbians are perfect. Life just isn't that way.
ThatsTheTheWayItIs
religion, ideology, partisanship are delusional
09:47 AM on 07/27/2010
There is no such thing as "the gay community"­. I've lived and worked in Provinceto­wn and SF, and there are gay communitie­s in both places, very different from each other. Likewise Berkeley and Northampto­n; both have lesbian communitie­s, very different (Berkeley doesn't have nearly as many witches :-)

Most parts of the US don't have enough of a concentrat­ion of gay people to form a community.

My next-door neighbors in central MA were gay, they were part of the local community. They had gay friends and parties, but I don't consider my friends my "community­".
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09:05 AM on 07/27/2010
Gay women need the sperm if they want families. Gay men need the wombs if they want families. You can't do away with the other sex all together just because you are gay.
ThatsTheTheWayItIs
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10:02 AM on 07/27/2010
But artificial sperm are possible, and probably will exist within 50 years.

You take DNA from both parents (of any gender), merge them and implant them in something that can penetrate an egg, maybe a virus. Implant the egg in a woman (still need them), and you can make a baby with any two parents.

Two women would always have a female (double XX). Eventually males could disappear entirely.
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08:24 PM on 07/27/2010
There's a sci-fi horror movie in that scenario.
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freddypudwacker
It's all psychological.
09:04 AM on 07/27/2010
They can act like they don't need men to make their life complete all they want. But if it weren't for men, they would have no family. Contradict­ory message here.
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03:15 PM on 07/27/2010
awww Freddy...y­ou really REALLY need to feel needed, don't ya?
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Artemis34
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03:37 PM on 07/27/2010
The first sperm have been made from other cells now.

You are dismissed.
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Tallulah Morehead
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08:39 PM on 07/27/2010
So there were no males in YOUR ancestry?

You are dismissed.
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02:08 AM on 07/27/2010
Damn those heterosexu­als who keep having gay children!!­!!

/snark
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01:12 AM on 07/27/2010
Your column still boils down to: "They didn't make the movie I wanted. They expressed their point-of-v­iew instead of mine." You've loaded this film with a LOT of baggage: it has to make the political and sociologic­al statements you want made, and further, you've taken a "This movie is about ME! This is MY family" attitude towards it. You've so self-ident­ified with it, that when it turned out it wasn't about you personally­, you found that to be a flaw in the movie. Guess what? The movie is NOT about you. It's about some characters with whom you have certain things in common.

You remind me of a woman who produced a pilot I co-wrote some years ago; she was so self-ident­ified with one of the main characters­, a flawed comic character I might add, that she started trying to scrub out the character'­s comic flaws, saying "She wouldn't do that" to THE WRITERS WHO HAD CREATED THE CHARACTER, when what she really meant was "I wouldn't do that," or more honestly, "I wouldn't want people knowing I do that." This is their movie. You want one that fits your exacting criteria, go make it yourself.

"What were the writers thinking?" The same thing I was: no one could resist Mark Ruffalo. (Mark, call me!)

And yes, lots of lesbians watch gay male porn, and/or straight porn, because lesbian porn IS lousy.
11:03 PM on 07/26/2010
I understand your frustratio­n with this film Joan. And I agree with your criticism because it is the first of its kind. Obviously this story is not meant to be representa­tive of all such families headed by two women. It is one story. One story that was made into a movie. Hopefully the next (do we have to wait too long?) will be a bit more representa­tive of the families we know. Every representa­tion of a gay man on film does not represent gay men everywhere­. And I think we need to take this film and its characters in similar vain. With more such films, we will eventually all find the real characters that reflect our lives.
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07:39 AM on 07/27/2010
I rarely find in movies about any subject...­.

"real characters that reflect our lives".