The Whole Flag Thing Got Me Thinking

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Posted April 17, 2008 | 10:07 PM (EST)



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I know in my heart that if I walked down the street wearing an American flag pin, people would assume that I was Republican. Furthermore, they would assume that I was a conservative Republican.

For the record, I am neither.

How did this happen? Did we Democrats send a memo out at some point ceding the patriotic territory to the guys (and yes, they are almost all guys) on the other side of the aisle?

I know the Republicans didn't take the flag away from us Democrats. They couldn't. The flag belongs to all of us. So the only explanation is that we gave it away.

It can be so frustrating to be a Democrat. So what if we are right? If we are not smart, being right doesn't mean a hill of beans.

So, here's my idea. Now Senator Obama didn't heed my last suggestion -- to go public with his top 3-5 VP picks, but I'm just going to keep coming up with the big ideas, hoping someone might take me up on one of them.

Here goes.

It's time for Democrats to reclaim the mantle of patriotism. But our current form of American democracy seems to have made some wrong turns on this American journey of ours. Somewhere along the way, we forgot that this country was to be the beacon of freedom, of diversity. Our country's founding fathers were brilliant and compassionate. Consider the words of the Constitution that ABC ran before commercial breaks during last night's debate (the only smart thing they did all night) (although it further emphasized how small Gibson and Stephanopoulous were).

Barack, how about making a statement? Consider wearing an American flag pin beginning today and until you take the oath of office on January 20, 2009.

Return to our roots. Wear an American flag. The original American flag. The Betsy Ross version. The one James Madison wore as he was writing the Constitution.

It's time to remind people what this country stands for. Or what it stood for and needs to stand for once more.

 
 

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It wasn't too long ago that Democrats ceded the area of religion - particularly Christianity. A small group of right-wing neo con fear mongers ran a pretty successful marketing campaign that made the following equation "true":

family values = Christianity = Republican = not questioning the Bush administration

Because we wanted so desperately to distance ourselves from the Bush policies and to draw a distinct contrast at what we felt was a critical "us versus them" time, we ended up distancing ourselves from our faith.

Obama's infamous Democratic Convention speech that launched him to the limelight rebuked a lot of things, but the sick equation that only Bush Republicans go to church was not the least of them.

We now just need to wait for the General Election to start (worst case scenario - 127 days and counting!) and then he can really go after more substantative policy differences during his campaign. (100 years in Iraq, wanting to bomb Iran, plummeting economy Republicans created, deteriorating planet this administration kicked while it was down, deplorable health care system McCain likes just fine...just to name a few). Let's see how relevant the flag pin seems then.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 04/19/2008

Just a note. The whole Betsy Ross making the flag thing is a myth. Check out the book, Lies My Teacher Told Me. I'd like to underline or put that title in italics, but can't seem to find the way to do that on here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 PM on 04/19/2008

While he's at it, why not disown Wright and say that Americans aren't bitter.

A man at an event handed Obama a flag pin, out of courtesy I suppose. He's willing to wear one but he recognizes it for the empty gesture it is. Obama is not about doing the easy thing to make people happy. Repubicans don't own patriotism. They just own flag pin wearing. If you define patriotism as flag pin wearing you are buying their propoganda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 04/19/2008

I wish Obama had said "where's Hillary's flag pin?" or "where's your flag pin, Charlie?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 AM on 04/19/2008

Exactly! Obama is usually quicker to retort than hes been lately.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 04/19/2008


Patriotism is an emotional response to an accident of birth.

When I hear otherwise intelligent people use the word "patriotism" without laughing, I feel queasy. Much like when sentient adults talk about god with straight faces.

The Kinks have a wonderful line in the song "Victoria" : I was born, lucky me, in the land that I love. Weren't we all? If you lived in France or Brazil or China, would you love the country of your birth any less? Ask yourself that question, and you immediately see what a foolish, empty, base emotion patriotism truly is. The US is no more important than any other country on the map - worse than many, actually.

Patriotism is the nice name we give to nationalism when it is our own. Patriotism serves only one purpose : to convince otherwise healthy normal young men (and women) to kill or die.

Patriotism necessarily sets up an us-vs-them mentality. It can lead to only one logical conclusion - we are good, and they are bad. But that's a logic built upon a false axiom, and thus worthless.

It is an insult - a crass, immoral insult - to suggest that any soldier ever died "for the flag". (And if any soldier feels that way, they are a fool.) The flag, the Pledge of Allegiance, the Star Spangled Banner - these are mere symbols. They are no more important than apple pie or the Super Bowl. Would you kill or die for the Super Bowl?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 AM on 04/19/2008

Every definition of Patriotism you offer is one that has been imposed on you. You are a perfect example of a mindset created by reflexive opposition. In you, those that have appropriated the normal human emotion of Patriotism, have succeeded in ascribing a voice to those that oppose them that is saying exactly what they want it to say.

Your remarks are anethema to the overwhelming majority of Americans, and you couldn't be doing more to advance the agenda of those you despise if you were on their payroll.

You are, apparently, an American. Why don't you take a chance and actually make an effort to redefine Patriotism to advance the concepts you belive in. Its harder than sniping, but I assume your anger does belie an inner core of beliefs that could be expressed in a positive fashion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 04/19/2008

Symbols are important because they communicate big ideas simply. They are therefore also easy to abuse. Some people like to wear their heart on their sleeve (or lapel) and don't understand why others don't. It's not so sinister. It does make it easier however to con people who believe if you're wearing a pin you are sincere about it.

For me patriotism is an appreciation of my accident of birth. I am forever grateful I live under the Constitution of the United States. I am a moderately left-wing person and an Obama supporter and I look forward to having a professor of Constitutional law in office so we can return to having some respect for this most important document.

I also realize the dangers of nationalism but right now our nation and the federal government are all that we have to protect us from international corporatism. The Bush administration seems bent on destroying that protection by undermining the Constitution so I am supporting the man I believe understands and will actually take his oath of office seriously to defend and protect that Constitution. I believe that is patriotic.

Most governments in the world are far more incompetent and corrupt than our own even as bad as Bush has been and that's really bad but we have a legal underpinning in the Constitution that can save us if we remain vigilant. I believe that is patriotic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 04/19/2008

The flag pin is a substitute for real patriotism.
America has failed its people due to the irresponsible policies of the "real" patriots - the neo-cons and republicans. Just look at the economy, the low standing of the US with the rest of the world, the polluting of it's environment, and the growing division between red and blue and rich and poor.
Surely a real patriot would care for the poor, middle, and rich equally, let alone the war vets and wounded. Surely a real patriot wouldn't resort to labelling another American as unpatriotic without looking at the actual facts and understanding the positions of the other.
Wouldn't the character of a real patriot be to inspire other Americans to be the best they can be, not to find fault with other Americans?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 AM on 04/19/2008

No. He -- and we -- should wear a Constitution pin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 04/18/2008

You took the words right out of my mouth. When I say the Pledge of Allegiance, I secretly replace it with the word, "Constitution."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 04/19/2008

That's a great idea. It does it one better to those who prefer a company's logo to its product.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 04/19/2008

Our country is in trouble, and we squabble over a flag pin? When we argue over things like this, all we do is turn our attention away from the real issues. Perhaps that is the intent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 04/18/2008

Democrats NEVER gave up or threw away their flag!! We simply go about our daily lives. We fly the flag in our front yard or if allowed at a condo if we choose.

BUT we don't go around, FLAUNTING and BRAGGING about it to everyone who will listen or look!!

We know within ourselves that we love our country and love our flag - and what it represents.

How ironic that the same people who need to flaunt and brag about their flag pins are the same people who could give a damn about The Constitution and treat it as some piece of toilet paper!!!

THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 04/18/2008


I like this guy precisely because he DOESN'T wear a flag pin. A flag pin immediately makes me suspicious that the person wearing one is a rogue who doesn't give a rat's ass about America and would use the Bill of Rights for toilet paper. I've had enough of flag pins to last eighteen lifetimes!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 04/18/2008

I think that Obama should have said he rejected wearing a flag lapel pin for the same reason one should reject wearing a flag necktie - it denigrates the flag. Making the flag a fashion accessory devalues its symbolism. Using a flag pin as a patriotism barometer denigrates patriotism.

This is a stupid, stupid issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 04/18/2008

Some thoughts on Patriotism from many wise souls:

"We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it." Edward R. Murrow
"The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is naïve and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair." H.L. Mencken
"Moral cowardice that keeps us from speaking our minds is as dangerous to this country as irresponsible talk. The right way is not always the popular and easy way. Standing for right when it is unpopular is a true test of moral character." Margaret Chase Smith
"The government is merely a servant -- merely a temporary servant; it cannot be its prerogative to determine what is right and what is wrong, and decide who is a patriot and who isn't. Its function is to obey orders, not originate them." Mark Twain
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Theodore Roosevelt
" Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." Mark Twain

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 04/18/2008


"It's time for Democrats to reclaim the mantle of patriotism." Really? You mean like the unquestioning patriotism that led the country into an illegal war and bankruptcy? Patriotism is the deadliest game in town because its subliminal. People abdicate their individual thinking and expression for the herd mentality that the call to patriotism stirs. Obama does not wear the PIN for this very reason. NOT WEARING the pin is an expression that I will not give up my constitutional right to individual expression, and I WILL express an opposing view to those spouting patriotic crap when that crap is clearly misguided and manipulative. On the contrary, I believe less patriotism, and the freedom and respect of individual thought and expression, are what is called for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 04/18/2008

In contemporary American politics, we have a small minority of the wealthy, who has created a paradise on earth for itself, engaged in the completely understandable process of preserving that status. They are exempt from military service, endeavor to oppose any restraint on their business, seek to depress the salaries of their employees, deny health care to the average person, pay the lowest taxes on the planet, and resist any challenge to
the processes of wealth accumulation, up to and including the destruction of nature itself if necessary. Harsh? Yes, and in some cases, unfair. But not untrue. We cannot ignore that profit was what drove such institutions as slavery and colonialism. Yet, in the assertion of self-interest we must find some sympathy. Intrinsically, however, the self- interest of this small minority is not consistent with the broader general interest of society at large. How then may we explain a political equation where those interests sometimes enjoy popular support? To give the devil his due, these are very intelligent and capable people. They have the personal qualities and financial resources required for success. As a result, even in a democratic republic, their influence in society far outweighs their actual numbers. For example, even in our current wartime condition, they have managed to wangle massive tax breaks for themselves, convincing the general public it is better to pay billions in interest on trillions borrowed rather than to make them pay what they can easily afford. How do they do this?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 04/18/2008

That is a complicated question. To answer that one completely would take a more educated and brainier citizen than I. Suffice to say, I would offer only a tiny sliver of explanation in this series of articles, that portion which can be known even to one as untutored as I, and in fact, seems to me obvious even to a jack-ass. Towards explaining how a small minority can achieve electoral success I would begin by turning the question upside down and ask instead how is it that the majority in opposition consistently finds itself, in America, unable to bridle the selfish ambitions of the few? Why do progressives keep losing, allowing the majority to align itself with the interests of a rapacious minority?
My answer, in vulgar terms, is simply that the liberals in my country who have presumed the role of opposition are outclassed. They are, in the absence of a more delicate phrase, too stupid. In seeking a title for this series therefore, I was initially attracted to "Achtung Idioten". In Achtung, we find a dawning urgency, and in Idioten, a description guaranteed to rankle sufficiently to at least guarantee a look-see. But I am persuaded by the rules of decorum to switch from the residual connotations of German to a more familiar and gentler approbation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 04/18/2008

Patriotism (2)

Yo, schmuck!

As the first paragraph above indicates, history is replete with examples of patriotic sacrifice. In fact, in all of cyber space, there are not enough mega-bytes to store all of history"s patriotic acts. War offers dramatic examples. The few examples I chose serve to demonstrate some qualities of patriotism which can help us understand this phenomenon, but I do not wish to offend anyone"s particular patriotism by suggesting in any way shape or form that my list approaches completeness, or that these particular acts are in any way superior to the pet examples of patriotism you may prefer.

Nor would I assert that patriotism is restricted to the extreme sacrifices exacted by war. We have the examples of Gandhi and King. I use the examples above simply because to thinking people they are recognizable. They are events and actions that indisputably occurred and were accomplished by people who included, equally indisputably, those motivated by patriotism. Beyond heroic sacrifice, what qualities do they share which may help us understand what patriotism is?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 04/18/2008

Patriotism (3)

Patriotism, like God, is not a disputable quality, but rather one that is and always has been present in the human condition. While it may be conditioned, unlike God, upon an association with a larger group, since we are always part of a larger group, it is a normal and un-avoidable part of life.

If an arms merchant, a war profiteer (and as such, the scum of the earth), should assert that he or she would be better off if we would continuously purchase large quantities of arms, no one could disagree. The arms merchant does profit from war. Yet, it is when this same person asserts that you profit from these sales that a degree of separation should occur. When a super wealthy individual says he or she would prefer to not pay taxes that is perfectly understandable as well. It is the assertion that YOU would be better off if they did not pay taxes
that is debatable, and indeed; seen in that light, absurd. That is why self-interest must be disguised. Clearly then, we can understand that for an interest by a tiny minority to be accepted by society at large, the essential interest must be hidden within an agenda with mass appeal. Thus, one know longer says, " I don"t want to pay taxes", rather, one says
we must oppose " big government".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:48 PM on 04/18/2008

This is obvious. What is not so obvious is the assignation of positions in the body politic. Once political positions have hardened, as in all mature polities, an inevitable outcome of partisanship is the phenomenon of reflex opposition. For example, if one group asserts the sea is green, it"s opposition is unable to resist saying, "no its not, its blue". That is a silly example, but in it"s harmlessness, we may find a root to the predicament progressives find themselves in today. Suppose it should be asserted that criminals should be prevented from hurting us? Who would argue with that? What if it were asserted that criminals believed the sea was blue? Would you then become pro-crime because you are one of those that think the sea is green? You would, I think, not be so stupid to fall into such an obvious trap would you?

Yo schmuck, what do you think you are doing when you accept the positions assigned to you by your opponents?

atriotism may serve many types of nationalism; both the good and the bad. Both the Kamikaze pilot, and his victim aboard his target (Mr. Roberts?) were both patriots. If then, that patriotism is a virtue that may serve an evil master as well as a worthy ideal, we can conclude that while being a patriot has personal virtue, its application has no moral certainty. In fact, I conclude that patriotism is a universal facet of the human condition.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 04/18/2008

Patriotism (4)

We can be no more be non-patriotic, when relating to the group called our nation, than we can be non loving, non lustful, non psychological, or non intelligent.

Yo, my brothers and sisters, how can we be such schmucks to accept the proposition that we are not patriotic? How stupid is that? Do we not bleed?

Yet, for all of my life, progressives in America have attempted to deny something as basic to the citizen as breathing is to the individual. Why?

What is American patriotism? How is it different from Russian, Chinese or Brazilian patriotism? Should I skip a few lines and give you time to figure out what American patriotism is?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 04/18/2008

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How dumb would someone have to be to say, as a political platform, that they favor illegal immigration, child molestation, and terrorism? Yet, those are a few of the ways liberals have been maneuvered into a losing position by very savvy opponents. Despite the fact that liberals oppose illegal immigration, detest child molesters and want Bin Laden"s head on a stick, tens of millions of Americans believe otherwise. While this is partially due to the fact that the media can always find some well-meaning schmuck to say a few words kind words about illegals, perverts and terrorists, and present that argument to the public as the liberal position, it is more the result of progressives allowing such a reflex opposition to occur in the first place. Being against illegality, perversion or terrorism are not inherently conservative positions. In fact, I would argue,
Conservatives, as things stand now, actually benefit from them. The more illegal immigrants there are, the more child molesters, the more terrorists, the more support the conservatives get for the hidden agenda of "I don"t want to pay my taxes", " I don"t want to pay my workers" and " I can give you a great deal on this weapons system".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 04/18/2008

(5,con"t)
Which brings us back, finally, to the subject of patriotism. We have shown that it is a perfectly normal virtue common throughout history to citizens of all nations. We have also asserted that patriotism, although a human virtue, is neither inherently associated with good or bad actions. A patriot"s actions may support noble ideals, but may also support the most heinous crimes. Because of its fundamental, basic and undeniable nature, patriotism must be considered a foundation of any successful nation.

American Patriotism is a foundation of our society. The original Americans were called the Patriots. They defined themselves. The conservatives, who opposed them, had other names for them, but they will forever be known as patriots because they refused to accept any other definition. It is absolutely essential that we continue the tradition of defining ourselves, of defining our society and the nation that society produces. It is easy to laugh at people who have to wear a lapel pin shaped like a flag to remind them that they are Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 04/18/2008

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It would be funny if that were why they wore those pins. But that"s not why they wear them. They know they are Americans. They are appropriating patriotism, and they know what they are doing. They are defining patriotism and equating it with a particular set of ideas. They are saying that if you are a patriot, you must believe the sea is green, because
they are counting on you to conclude that if the sea is blue, as it mostly is, then you must not be a patriot.

So I say to you, yo schmuck, don"t be stupid enough to buy into this game. You know enough to not allow someone to say you favor lawlessness and perversion, get the brains to not allow yourself to be associated with being unpatriotic. It"s just plain dumb.

And until you do, you won"t get my vote. I don"t care about where your heart is at, I won"t vote for dummies. When you get smart, let me know, until then, I"ll remain the independent patriot who used to be liberal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 04/18/2008

He could cover his body in the American flag at this point and it still wouldn't take away the G*d d**n America thing for me. He definately has anti-americanism all around him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 04/18/2008

Martin Luther King had the same type of "anti-americanism" all around him. They accused him of as much, as well as his followers. How do you bring people together if you can't stand to be around people who aren't thinking like you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 04/18/2008

I do consider myself a liberal and a patriot--and you can find cool t-shirts out there that say just that, if you google it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 04/18/2008

I am a vet I have never wore a flag pin. i wore a uniform that charlie liked shooting at. Really wearing a pin on your chest is like pushing socks down your drawers. It seems like you are trying to make up for something you think you are missing. Save the flag money and spend some on the homeless vets. Now thats a real patriot. really sickening to think 25% of the homeless are vets. While argue about a pin most likely made in china

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 04/18/2008

I'm in awe of your service, logic, psychological insight, compassion, and just plain common sense (which seems to be less and less common these days). I'm a child of the sixties, which makes me a late boomer, and I'm sorry to say that most GenXers and those who came after them think that the representatives of the "two" sides (like there were ONLY two) in the sixties are Bill Clinton and George W Bush. No wonder Barack Obama, the "post-sixties" candidate, appeals to them; they think everyone from that era are money-grubbing, draft-dodging, self-serving phonies. They have no knowledge of or acquaintence with the real heroes of that time. Anyway, thanks for reminding me of why I'm glad to have lived through that era.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 04/18/2008
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